Your thoughts on upgrading to a 2080ti from a 1080ti

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  1. Niner21

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    Just want some thoughts on this subject. I game at 2560 x 1440. I am getting that upgrade bug but value peoples opinions here. I know Navi is on the horizon and all so I'm asking if it makes sense at the moment.
     
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    I see your display is 144Hz Freesync. How well does your current card perform? That's the real question.

    I just upgraded from a 1080Ti mainly because I game @ 4k. For my purposes it was a logical upgrade- now I can get a consistent 60FPS on most games maxed out- I couldn't before.

    As far as a single Navi based card competing against a 2080Ti, I highly doubt that's going to happen, but who knows?
     
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    If you dont need to upgrade its almost always better to wait, now particularly.
    2 reasons, Navi and NVidias next release which will hopefully have normalised pricing.
    Even if you dont get either, prices should be a bit lower for current cards.
     
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    I just upgraded last month after a long back and forth argument on the pros and cons with myself. I've been an SLI user for years and had 2 1080 Ti's for the last 2 plus years. Sold one of my 1080 TI's and upgraded to an EVGA 2080 Ti xc ultra and am very happy with it. Just installed a hybrid kit and can max every game out pretty much at 4k. Only game that struggles is Metro Exodus at extreme with ray tracing on. Probably be another year at least until we here about the next gen of cards coming out so if u have the cash, I would upgrade
     
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    I have been going back and forth for about a month. My current card does pretty good at ultra in most every game I play, but I know things will get more demanding as newer games come out of course. I'm just one of those people who like to be set for 5 or 6 years before I upgrade. Being that I'm in my forties now this may be my last desktop upgrade so that's the angel on my shoulder telling me to go for it.
     
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    I didn't even have to do the hybrid thing. I'm still rockin' a 5820k@4.3GHz and able to max out most games @ 4k.

    The fact that I get a really nice o/c on my EVGA 2080Ti Black helps- I'm 250+ Core/1000+ Memory, stable- just on air. If I bought a hybrid kit I'd probably do even better, but I'm not going to bother with that until I upgrade my whole setup- probably next gen.
     
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    Seeing as you have been thinking about it for a month, then just bite the bullet and do it and enjoy the upgrade. Can;t win with technology as there's always something better down the road, sometimes sooner then we think. If u wait for the next greatest/best, you'll be waiting forever! I would recommend spending the extra 200$ for an EVGA card like the FTW ultra hybrid.

    I went with the XC Ultra and ended up adding a hybrid cooler anyways and didn't end up saving that much if I would have just went with the higher end card. Also, the higher end cards have more power phases 19 vs 16 and a higher wattage output for better potential overclock....

    Wish I would have known this before I pulled the trigger. That being said my card can hit 2100 stable and 7500 on the VRAM and it chews through most games with ease. Blows the 1080 Ti away at 4k/max game settings
     
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    Not worth it.
     
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    Your one of the lucky ones then that got that 999$ gem =) My XC Ultra on stock cooling was fine tbh, and it usually stayed in the low 60's. I didn't need the hybrid kit, but I am one of those types of people that always want to tinker and see if I can eak out anymore performance. Now my card idles at 27-30c and depending on what game, I can usually stay in the low 50's to maybe 60-63c when I play Metro with Ray tracing on and extreme setting
     
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    Beg to differ... Unless you've used or owned both, your giving your opinion on what you have read and seen on the internet. Yes, it is a lot of money and the price vs % gain is a point most would argue is not worth it. That being said, I've paid thousands on SLI cards and this PC/gaming hobby. I love bleeding edge and am a graphics whore so for me the upgrade was definitely worth it. Also stings less when you can afford these types of upgrades and it's not to hard on the wallet
     
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    I have used and owned both on 165hz 1440p GSYNC and 60Hz 4K.


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    Yeah I should just do it, but unfortunately that isn't always the way my mind works.:) I appreciate everyone's feedback.
     
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    For myself, it's not worth it. Don't game as much and if I do it's something easy like Overwatch. Even Division 2 was getting 46-52 fps at 4k for me on my 1080Ti, got bored with it, back to Overwatch. lol It still plays games like Tomb Raider at 4k just fine. I would rather wait till next year late summer/fall and do a whole sale change and see if prices on the next gen RTX comes down. Don't even care what AMD is doing either after the news NAVI is still on the GCN architecture. Blah... I think fall 2020 is going to see some real hardware changes all round. Just filler till 7nm kinks work out. Will get to see if Intel is bringing anything to the gaming table too.

    If you are happy with what you got for now, just wait for the big changes next year, ie, Intel entering the market, AMD supposedly has new architecture GPU wise(we'll see), Nvidia 7nm....
     
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    I went from 1080 Ti, to SLI 1080 Ti, to finally the 2080 Ti. The 2080 Ti has been smoother than two 1080 Tis. I'd recommend it.
     
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    I thought relatively all the 2080tis were good overclockers? I didn't even really try, I just started bumping it up until +250 was about the core's limit.
     
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    So what clocks on the core and memory are u getting on your black? I can push to 140 on the core that gets me to 2120 and 800 on the memory. I usually keep it at 130 on core and 500 memory for 24/7 use though
     
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    3DMark says 2025/2000 but I don't know how accurate that is. I can probably get more out of it. If I'm +250 on the core that sounds about right I think- on Assassin's Creed Origins I'm averaging >6FPS more in the benchmark with the features maxed out @ 4k. That's a huge difference.

    I'm still running the default fan speed and haven't tried boosting the voltage yet either.
     
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    Should be a great card! Good luck and keep us posted
     
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    Will do. Thanks again for your input.
     
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    I didn't think it was worth spending that much for a 2080Ti, I even thought $1k was a bit much, but I surely wasn't going any higher than that.
     
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    Kinda arbitrary really. I don't think it's worth 1k but it doesn't matter. Plus if you're already blowing a g on it what's another 200 bucks?
     
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    I agree. I never have nor need the latest and greatest, but for some reason I wanted to upgrade so I did. Got the new card installed today and played a few games. Everything is working great and was a little surprised that it was no longer than my 1080ti just bulkier.
     
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  24. Dan_D

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    Indeed. I'm not sure how it would perform at 1440, but a single 1080Ti was largely incapable of hitting a consistent 60FPS with settings maxed out on modern games. You could do it with 1080Ti SLI, but SLI support has been terrible over the last few years. I was very pleased with my Titan X Maxwell SLI setup, but that's the last one. 1080Ti was disappointing enough that I ditched it in favor of a single RTX 2080Ti. It is a trade I don't remotely regret, even though 1080Ti's in SLI are technically capable of achieving higher frame rates. There is only one game where I think I got a better experience using SLI than I do now.
     
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    A 1080ti is "largely incapable of hitting a consistent 60FPS" at 1440p maxed? Um what? So what are all these games that a 1080 ti cannot keep 60 fps in at 1440p? I have pretty much every modern game and about the only time I drop below 60 fps at 1440p is because of my cpu. Sure there might be a setting such as a crazy level of SSAA or MSAA in a couple games that may drop below but the way you worded that made it sound like most games cant keep 60 fps which is just silly.
     
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    My fault. I wasn't clear enough. Note that the first part states: "I'm not sure how it would perform at 1440". That's because I've never run my 1080Ti's at that resolution. I always ran mine at 4K. That's what I meant. A single 1080Ti couldn't max out some games and maintain 60FPS+ at 4k on its own. It sure couldn't in Destiny 2, Ghost Recon Wildlands, and a few other games I played. It could on some games where SLI didn't work well. Therefore I would have to conclude it would probably do fine at 2560x1440 or 3440x1440, whichever you are referencing here, but I never tried that myself.
     
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    My 1080ti could run most games at max at 1440p, but I may decide to upgrade the display down the road to 4k which is another reason for me going with the 2080 ti.
     
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    I have a superb 4K display but am not paying the 2080ti tax, its too much of an outsider.
    The price is nuts, its RT performance and quality will be handily beaten by newer cards and they are coming later this year.
    There should be a price adjustment too because NVidia arent pleased with the lack of sales, plus AMD may have a competitor at or near the top end.
    It makes no sense to buy one now unless you absolutely need the performance and dont mind propping up NVidias bad tactics.
    ps I'm not an AMD fan boy, their drivers give me cold shivers. I gotta hope they have sorted that or I'll be low balling myself again getting rid of it, should I end up with one.
     
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    If you have the money to burn sure why not. Honesty tho wait til 3xxxti comes out for it to be substantial upgrade hopefully. Also maybe AMD will bring out something competitive (doubtful) it could force Nvidia to become more reasonable with their pricing (doubtful also.
     
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    Yes but people have to take into account he has a 1440p 144Hz display. How well would a single 1080ti do in that case?
     
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    It's no different than paying for dual GTX 1080Ti's in SLI. In fact, it was cheaper than doing so. I did that when those cards launched. To max out some games and get over 60FPS, this was necessary at 3840x2160.

    Considering its the same price as the 1080 Ti's and provides a similar, and often better gaming experience than 1080Ti SLI, I disagree. I've purchased dual Maxwell Titan X's back in the day. When you consider the price of many GPU configurations and even single GPU's, the RTX 2080Ti isn't as bad as it sounds. They can be had for as little $1,069 at Microcenter. And what cards will beat it later this year? We don't know anything concrete about Navi yet. I don't know what if anything NVIDIA has in the pipeline later this year. However, if they follow their previous release behavior, it will be some Titan successor first. That will be a prohibitively expensive card. It isn't intended for the gaming market either. Later products will filter down after that. It seems to me we are at least six months out or more on anything from team green, and even then we don't know that for sure.

    There is no doubt it seems that NVIDIA went full retard in its pricing increases for this generation at first glance. I don't like it either,.Beyond that, I think of it this way: RTX 2080 Ti's provide near GTX 1080 Ti SLI performance without the dependency on game devs to support it. It out performs everything else aside from the RTX Titan and less than half the price. On that front, it isn't far off. Especially in non-reference / factory overclocked form. NVIDIA more or less created a new prosumer price point with RTX Titan, then they moved RTX 2080 Ti into the Titan V's old price point. Its actually cheaper than some previous Titan's in its reference form. Then the 2080 is a replacement for the 1080 Ti. Unfortunately, its not enough of an upgrade for the already two year old card for anyone with a single 1080 Ti to worry about.

    I think that's situational. I can sell my two 1080Ti's for enough to nearly pay for my RTX 2080 Ti. I bought it recently, and again its been an upgrade for me in most cases. As for NVIDIA's bad tactics, I can understand that, but I'm not paying nearly NVIDIA prices for AMD's cards which don't remotely compete. They can't handle 4K gaming on their own at max details in many games and Crossfire is in the same boat as SLI is. AMD can't really compete with my old 1080 Ti's. I'm not rewarding a company for being second best. At the same time, while NVIDIA's certainly shady, if you dig into most large companies you'll find examples of shady tactics. NVIDIA was called on their GPP bullshit and it was canceled. Again, AMD charged as much if not more for CPU's when it had a performance advantage over Intel. They blew what money they made and mismanaged themselves into their Phenom and Bulldozer situation. AMD may not be as shady, but its displayed woeful incompetence at several points from a business perspective and has nearly collapsed under its own stupidity more than once. AMD has also been just as deceptive with benchmarking data and media hype as NVIDIA has over the years if not more so. Don't forget that.

    NVIDIA tries to be the top dog in its market and has generally succeeded over the last decade and some change. Yes, they have done many things people don't agree with (myself included), but AMD on the other hand has been mismanaged and utterly incompetent. They've cannibalized their own profitable divisions to prop up a failing CPU business many times. It bought ATI and mismanaged that too. It lost whatever headway and inroads they made in the datacenter market and became irrelevant until recently. The list of bad decisions goes on and on. So you can give your money to a company that can actually sell you the fastest cards money can buy or you can give it to a company that mismanages money so badly that they might as well lite it on fire or let some executive use it to snort coke off a stripper's ass. Your choice.

    AMD isn't some underdog that's a champion of the people or the working class gamer. That may be the image fans seem to get from them but it isn't reality.

    You are working off old information. If anything, AMD's had better drivers than NVIDIA as of late.
     
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    Thats all good and well but I wouldnt pay for 2x 1080ti either.
    What has been presented is not worth the money for the highest performing card (below titan).
    Prices must normalise or I will re-evaluate my hobby.

    AMD drivers caused me to frequently have no audio by incorrectly detecting HDMI devices as DVI.
    This would even change during the same boot, it was ridiculous watching them change to HDMI and back to DVI over many hours, mostly preferring DVI. I had to reboot a lot to get audio working which was infuriating when friends came round to watch/play something.
    My problem was not reported elsewhere that I could find. As I couldnt shift it and AMD didnt care I shifted the card instead.
    I havent seen this problem listed as fixed anywhere yet ...
    By all means find some "new information" on this issue.
     
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    My 1080 Ti did very well in most cases, but if I do decide to upgrade my display later on then I'm good to go.
     
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    The increase over a single 1080 Ti or 2080 Ti's MSRP was substantial, but again, it effectively 30% more and at least that much faster than those cards. Its still cheaper than the Titan X's and Titan V have been at launch for some time. The new RTX Titan is astronomical, but the RTX 2080 Ti has essentially taken the old price point. NVIDIA probably realized that more gamers than prosumers bought Titan X's early on to get the best gaming performance possible, and it concluded that it could sell a gaming branded card at the old Titan's price point. They weren't wrong. Its bigger missteps are expecting people to pay for 2080's when they aren't substantial upgrades over last generation's 1080 Ti.

    Prices have been going up on video cards and processors for some time now. I think you are past the point of re-evaluating your hobby. BTW, I can tell you that its still cheaper than firearms or cars. As for the driver issues, those aren't experienced by everyone. Beyond that, all drivers have issues. AMD isn't breaking more than they fix with some drivers and issuing hot fixes days later with nearly every release.
     
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    Some other hobbies are much more expensive. My yearly ammo bill is very HIGH. I could buy a couple more RTX 2080 Ti's if I quit shooting all the time.
     
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    Nothing you said changes they are way too expensive and need to normalise.
    NVidia stated they had bad sales so I am expecting a reduction unless they want a repeat.
    If they dont and AMD dont jump on the same train, they will likely be my next purchase.
    Either that or gaming a year or 2 behind with 2nd hand cards, there are so many games these days I'm 3 years+ behind finishing some games anyway!
    I can afford any PC I like but I am not going to help NVidias Apple agenda.
    Its up to NVidia if they want to keep people interested in buying their new cards.
     
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    From personal experience I can say it does great.
     
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    I suspect that the next cards from NVIDIA may be slightly cheaper. Its hard to say given that the complexity of these cards has increased each generation. However, what we are seeing now could be the new normal. Unfortunately, we don't know yet. A lack of serious competition from AMD is part of the reason for NVIDIA pricing. Until that changes, I think this is the new normal. Unfortunately, AMD charges nearly as much as NVIDIA does in many price points for a card that performs worse.

    Yes they did. However, you have to examine the reasons behind this. I suspect they moved the "Ti" up to the Titan's old price point as the last few Titan cards have been decent sellers for gamers. Prosumers who really need the compute power generally have bigger budgets, so they've placed the Titan in a price bracket that used to be exclusive to the Quadro family. Those cards are also probably more often sold in OEM channels than through outlets and sites that deal in DIY hardware. NVIDIA's statement as I recall mentioned poor sales of the 2070 and 2080 and not the 2080 Ti specifically. I'll wager the latter did fairly well like the Titan V and Titan Xp before it. The reason why the 2070 and 2080 TI's sold poorly is due to the fact that they aren't really fast enough for ray tracing and because they are barely an upgrade over the cards they replaced. Certainly not enough to justify the replacement of so many 1080 and 1080Ti cards out there already.

    As a 1080 Ti owner, the 2080 offered nothing but a small performance boost that wasn't worth the price of admission and a ray tracing feature I couldn't really use right now. Not only are there too few titles to use it with but the card isn't really fast enough for that.

    I'm trying to make sense of this, but I am not sure what you are talking about.

    Well that is an option and at no point would your money go directly to NVIDIA or AMD. Unfortunately, the last couple years have seen prices on used GPU's at insane levels. I'm not sure you'd be saving enough to offset the pain of buying new enough to justify the wait. That's a personal call for you.

    My whole point is that people want to demonize NVIDIA. It certainly deserves that but on the other side of the coin, as a business, AMD has proven to be largely mismanaged and that's putting it nicely. In a sense, your arguing over which company is worse. On one end you acknowledge NVIDIA's wrong doings and are seemingly unaware of how badly run AMD is and how bad it can treat its customers. I know first hand what the darker side of AMD looks like.

    NVIDIA may be immoral at times, but how moral is it to mismanage a company so badly that it nearly craters every few years? The executives doing this are still well paid for their "leadership" and ran the company into the ground with ineptitude. Now, obviously Lisa Sue isn't the same as the old guard and things are changing there. However, in the past on the AMD side, they've done some things which are questionable at best. Internally, they ran off many talented engineers over the years leading to worse products. Its had an inability to retain talent for a reason. AMD ignores issues rather than solving them. There was a well known EDID issue with AMD cards that lasted for years. (It could still exist for all I know.) I've gone to them about issues with Crossfire and Eyefinity on some of their cards, or mGPU issues and they've completely blown me off and pretended the problems didn't exist only to fix them with a hardware redesign in its next generation. I've gone to them as a customer and through with Kyle via HardOCP. Those discussions never amounted to anything.

    In similar situations, NVIDIA has never been like that. This may sound like personal slights, but it comes down to AMD making a worse product, getting it reported by many customers (not just me), and then ignoring that for years on end. That's terrible customer service on top of being a company that's been largely mismanaged. From a customer service perspective, NVIDIA is vastly superior to AMD on every front. My point is that both companies are guilty of things that many people would boycott them over. The hardware industry evolves and changes more than most and who's worthy of your hard earned dollar today will be the company you'll want to boycott tomorrow and vice versa. People have these preconceived perceptions about these companies and how they work internally, but aren't close enough to them to know anything. They simply think, Intel is huge and therefore evil. AMD is small and therefore its an underdog and a champion of the people. Larger business practices aside, to the average consumer, I can tell you for a fact Intel is far nicer and more caring than AMD is and as a general rule NVIDIA will give you better customer service than AMD will.

    Obviously, its your money and you can vote with your wallet however you want. I fully support that, but understand that if you think AMD is some pillar of virtue and a champion of the blue collar gamer, think again. They'd charge you $1,100 for a GPU if they had one that they thought they could sell at that price. Their CPUs are only priced so well because they have to be. If AMD had an IPC advantage, a core advantage and the clock speed advantage to definitively out perform Intel at every turn, their CPUs wouldn't be so cheap. That Threadripper 2990WX would likely be $3,000+. That upcoming Ryzen 16c for AM4 wouldn't see the light of day for under a grand.

    Without a doubt. That's something they utterly failed on this generation. The only card worth having was the RTX 2080 Ti, and it was priced like the previous Titan V which puts it way outside of reach for most people. I don't blame anyone who kept what they had from last generation. Unfortunately, I'm in that position with my monitor resolution and my tastes in games and settings that forces me to pay to play. I have to buy the best solutions I can to keep up. The GTX 1080 Ti's were great and I got allot of use out of them. Unfortunately, they still didn't cut it thanks to the game developers failure to support SLI very well. So the RTX 2080 Ti is a card I was foaming at the mouth to buy.

    We aren't likely to see eye to eye on all this stuff, just keep in mind that there is dirt on all these companies. The publicly traded ones are the worst as they have a duty to produce results for their share holders. This leads them towards ever greedier behavior. NVIDIA may be the devil, but AMD is far from being a saint. Take that for what you will.
     
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    At 1440p on the latest games you can max out features @ 144FPS on a 1080ti?
     
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    That wasn't the original question. And you did not need to get 144fps especially with gsync to have an excellent experience.