X870 Boards for Sale on Amazon

Am I looking at this wrong, or does that Pro RS have 6 USB 2.0 ports?

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Nope, I am not wrong. Wtf? Who actually needs this? It just reads as filler to me. I've seen the Taichi B650E open box at Microcenter for $189. Which my friend picked up, and it's working great in his build. The connectivity on it is in general way better than this board, and it was cheaper. Granted, again, open box. If we factor in open box, my X670E Carbon was $200. I think about the only thing I'm missing out on with comparison to these boards is USB 4.0. Which it kind of ticks me off that this board doesn't have it; I feel like MSI could have definitely included it in at the MSRP it normally retails at... but it's just FOMO as I don't have any actual concrete use for it.

I'm a bit meh on these X870's. Basically just seems like B650E, but with USB 4.0. So if you don't need that, just grab a nice B650E on sale as the stores get rid of them? The AMD 9000 launch is kind of considered a dud, and these boards kind of seem to veer in the same direction.
 
StoleMyOwnCar said:
Wtf? Who actually needs this?
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If you need to keep the USB 3.0 port for something else

mouse-keyboard-printer-scanner-webcam (maybe mechanical and non mechanical keyboard), external hard drive and a USB dac for sound and you are up to 8.

Has keeping the USB 3.0 port for something else, body motion system when you want a lot of real time grunt can use a lot of usb port or

VR kit + wheels system for car-plane simulator games, could use them.

Those are very fancy board for people with very fancy need, maybe not sold in the 4 figures for some skus...

I remember needing a lot of usb hub when I developed stuff with VR dev kit and sensor and they could have issue, I could imagine some fancy flight or car sim setup could be using a bunch.

And for non performance ports, lot of monitor have a couple of them.
 
StoleMyOwnCar said:
Am I looking at this wrong, or does that Pro RS have 6 USB 2.0 ports?

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Nope, I am not wrong. Wtf? Who actually needs this? It just reads as filler to me. I've seen the Taichi B650E open box at Microcenter for $189. Which my friend picked up, and it's working great in his build. The connectivity on it is in general way better than this board, and it was cheaper. Granted, again, open box. If we factor in open box, my X670E Carbon was $200. I think about the only thing I'm missing out on with comparison to these boards is USB 4.0. Which it kind of ticks me off that this board doesn't have it; I feel like MSI could have definitely included it in at the MSRP it normally retails at... but it's just FOMO as I don't have any actual concrete use for it.

I'm a bit meh on these X870's. Basically just seems like B650E, but with USB 4.0. So if you don't need that, just grab a nice B650E on sale as the stores get rid of them? The AMD 9000 launch is kind of considered a dud, and these boards kind of seem to veer in the same direction.
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It's really just 6 + 3 1.5 headers on the board, then you get 1 3.0 header, and one header for type-c.

So, 3.5 headers and 10 type-A and 2 type-C ports on the back. It's a lot, don't get me wrong, but they are nice to have.
 
LukeTbk said:
If you need to keep the USB 3.0 port for something else
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My point is that some boards have almost that many ports as 3.0 and above. For instance, the Tachi B650E I'm referencing above:
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At this point when I see modern boards with a lot of the USB slots taken up by 2.0 (like 4+; 2 is fine), I just look at it as filler. More there to fool people that don't know any better than actually having much real purpose. I could understand if it was about 3-5+ years ago, but currently I don't have very many (if any) devices that really need or want 2.0. Maybe a stray external sound card. Even most of my mice and keyboards have moved on to 3.0. It's just kind of a rant, because I see it as an annoying trend that just won't die more than anything, though.
 
StoleMyOwnCar said:
Am I looking at this wrong, or does that Pro RS have 6 USB 2.0 ports?

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Nope, I am not wrong. Wtf? Who actually needs this? It just reads as filler to me. I've seen the Taichi B650E open box at Microcenter for $189. Which my friend picked up, and it's working great in his build. The connectivity on it is in general way better than this board, and it was cheaper. Granted, again, open box. If we factor in open box, my X670E Carbon was $200. I think about the only thing I'm missing out on with comparison to these boards is USB 4.0. Which it kind of ticks me off that this board doesn't have it; I feel like MSI could have definitely included it in at the MSRP it normally retails at... but it's just FOMO as I don't have any actual concrete use for it.

I'm a bit meh on these X870's. Basically just seems like B650E, but with USB 4.0. So if you don't need that, just grab a nice B650E on sale as the stores get rid of them? The AMD 9000 launch is kind of considered a dud, and these boards kind of seem to veer in the same direction.
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I use at least 4 USB thumb drives as the boot devices for all my TrueNas servers. It's saves internal ports for the data drives, so this will be a welcome addition to my collection.
 
I imagine a lot of device are USB 3.0 but that ran perfectly fine on a USB 2.0 plug (say that keyboard or mouse example, outside maybe wanting those super high frequency if you can find some form of latency gain).

Usb 2.0 has 480 Mbps, that 15x more than a 4k webcam bandwith that use compression, it can be a filler but considering how many device can run on usb 2.0 just fine, having a bunch of 2.0 instead of 3.0 if that mean more 3.0 2x2 or 4.0 that could make sense.

mouse, keboard, webcam, lights, xbox controller, USB audio dac, considering a 4k UHD bluray players is what 100-140 mbps, 60 MB second is not that bad for a lot of stuff.
 
StoleMyOwnCar said:
I'm a bit meh on these X870's. Basically just seems like B650E, but with USB 4.0.
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Well, that's because that's what it is. X870 is the same Promontory 21 as B650, X670 was two of them, but in the 800 series, you only get two chipsets with X870E. USB4 comes from a separate chip, which a motherboard maker could put on a B650 board if they want.
 
crazycrave said:
I need to see some reviews if it's worth moving away from B650.
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Not really.

Unless you want more PCIe 5.0 and USB4. B650 boards typically don't have PCIe 5.0 everywhere (on PCIe x16 slot and M.2). I'm not sure if many B650 included USB4 either.

First gen AM5 boards will continue to see BIOS updates, and for example the latest AGESA now gives 105W TDP on Zen 5 for every board vendor. There will be no performance benefit on these new boards but rather just connectivity.
 
StoleMyOwnCar said:
My point is that some boards have almost that many ports as 3.0 and above. For instance, the Tachi B650E I'm referencing above:
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At this point when I see modern boards with a lot of the USB slots taken up by 2.0 (like 4+; 2 is fine), I just look at it as filler. More there to fool people that don't know any better than actually having much real purpose. I could understand if it was about 3-5+ years ago, but currently I don't have very many (if any) devices that really need or want 2.0. Maybe a stray external sound card. Even most of my mice and keyboards have moved on to 3.0. It's just kind of a rant, because I see it as an annoying trend that just won't die more than anything, though.
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I don't know, I have 4 and I use them on stuff that doesn't need 3. I think I have 3 of them used right now and maybe 2 of my 3.0 slots. For me personally I find most boards have way more usb slots than I need.
 
That ASRock board looks pretty damn slick, I might pick one up when they're actually available.
 
LigTasm said:
That ASRock board looks pretty damn slick, I might pick one up when they're actually available.
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Been pretty happy with my x670e Tachi. The x870 is pretty much the same thing but with 5gb nic and more USB.
 
will have to see if something actually change with them, but it could be the most boring motherboard refresh of AMD ryzen era ?..... (considering the rumored price)


Not the fault of the board getting exited about the 870 and not just e version having pci 5.0 for the gpu and m.2 slot.... as it is hard to get exited for pci 4.0->5.0 to start with
 
Nothing is pushing 7000Mb/sec SSDs at all. I mean nothing.

And with the current state of the video card industry there is less than no reason to buy a board for a next gen pcie standard without actual benchmark proof it's needed.

USB 4.0? Who needs it? Even more speed on external SSDs? 4k USB monitors? Niche use case and a card can be added. Not saying I won't change just because I can at some point but there is nothing here I actually want over my b650 boards.
 
USB 4.0 for a laptop and a laptop dock (or a monitor that has a dock, or chained monitor, etc...) seem really nice and obvious, for a sitting in a place desktop it become quite niche and sound like stuff that enter workstation with cards territory at the moment, this is just a small in between.

There always I want the fastest cpu so I go with the regular client higher frequency-lower latency crowd with fancy need (high frequency traders... and what not), but this could aim in good part at the I want the highest sku stuff even if I do not use it much, the buying 16 core cpu years ago to play game.
 
Advil said:
Nothing is pushing 7000Mb/sec SSDs at all. I mean nothing.

And with the current state of the video card industry there is less than no reason to buy a board for a next gen pcie standard without actual benchmark proof it's needed.

USB 4.0? Who needs it? Even more speed on external SSDs? 4k USB monitors? Niche use case and a card can be added. Not saying I won't change just because I can at some point but there is nothing here I actually want over my b650 boards.
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And even then, what NVMe can run full bandwidth for extended periods anyways once their cache fills....burst sure, but steady, hell no, the max MB on NVMe's is nothing but marketing.
 
Surprised there's no X870E Extreme this year from Asus. I know the x670e got really bad reviews from tech jesus but they shouldn't discontinue the lineup.
 
Dopamin3 said:
Not really.

Unless you want more PCIe 5.0 and USB4. B650 boards typically don't have PCIe 5.0 everywhere (on PCIe x16 slot and M.2). I'm not sure if many B650 included USB4 either.

First gen AM5 boards will continue to see BIOS updates, and for example the latest AGESA now gives 105W TDP on Zen 5 for every board vendor. There will be no performance benefit on these new boards but rather just connectivity.
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The only thing on my Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX that is PCIe 5.0 is the slot one M.2 drive, I just run two 4 x 4gen and one 4 x 3gen M.2 drives, also use a usb 3.0 WD Black P10 4TB Game Drive off the back and a usb 3.0 Seagate 2TB backup drive.
 
Catering to the masses is just watered down beer, ie. movies, games, and even computer motherboards. I for one, like the niche, as that paves the way for the masses to potentially appreciate it. Having USB 4.0 on desktop is well needed without having to find a Thunderbolt 4 capable motherboard, as well as getting a Thunderbolt PCIE card. What I would LOVE to see, are NVME 5.0 and 4.0 ports on the rear I/O as well as WiFi M.2 ports. Especially with Microsoft screwing with Linux dual boot. It would make upgrading and swapping NVMe's easy, allow for more PCIE slots on the main area, as well as upgrading WiFi easier, as well as allowing for better connections.
 
Wow. I just looked up the prices of the entire lineup of X870 boards. Uh... ok then. 🤷‍♂️
 
Advil said:
Wow. I just looked up the prices of the entire lineup of X870 boards. Uh... ok then. 🤷‍♂️
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I would think that most of them are in line with their b650e counterparts at launch accounting for the increased component costs for the upgraded features. They also dropped in price somewhat after year 1. The exception being the $750 hero board.... That's ridiculous.
 
I've been using the Asrock X670E Pro RS in my build for over 18 months now. It's been rock solid and I would definitely buy again. I think I'll skip the 870 gen for now.
 
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Just picked up a Taichi lite for the test bench waiting for the 9800X3D now to plop on there too. Rumor mill says it could be released by Nov 11 but we'll see. The dock workers strike might fuck that up as well as drive component prices through the roof so plan accordingly.
 
learners permit said:
Just picked up a Taichi lite for the test bench waiting for the 9800X3D now to plop on there too. Rumor mill says it could be released by Nov 11 but we'll see. The dock workers strike might fuck that up as well as drive component prices through the roof so plan accordingly.
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I wouldn't think it would make that big of a difference as the strike is on the east coast and I would imagine most computer components come from the west coast.
 
haste said:
I've been using the Asrock X670E Pro RS in my build for over 18 months now. It's been rock solid and I would definitely buy again. I think I'll skip the 870 gen for now.
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I mean unless you have a use case for USB 4 vs. 3.2 or wifi7 vs. 6 or 6E, there really isn't that much different with it. I can't imagine that the memory topology is so radically different compared to the memory controllers that you're going to magically get significantly higher RAM speed.
 
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sk3tch said:
Same here. My favorite board.

I can't believe "5GB" NICs is a thing...from 2.5GB to 5GB - but not a jump to 10GB? Cant' wait for 7.5GB next gen, I guess. Scored a great Amazon Warehouse deal on a Netgear XS724EM so I am all 10GB.

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X870E Taichi/index.asp
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Yeah I figured 25 and 40G nics would be a thing on enthusiasts boards by now. And 100Gbps on TR! I mean, like memory, wasted lanes is a terrible thing! ;-)
 
What wiring in your house do you have that allows 10g

I have a hard wired house from 2008 time period so I haven’t tried to go over 1
 
sk3tch said:
I can't believe "5GB" NICs is a thing...from 2.5GB to 5GB - but not a jump to 10GB? Cant' wait for 7.5GB next gen, I guess. Scored a great Amazon Warehouse deal on a Netgear XS724EM so I am all 10GB.
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Meh, I'd settle for using 5GbE on a desktop board. It's fast enough for most Internet connections, and generally acceptable for most people doing a NAS or lots of LAN traffic stuff. Some/most? 10GbE RJ45 switches will negotiate at 2.5GbE/5GbE/10GbE (including your XS724EM). 5GbE was available on a motherboard in 2017 with the Asrock X370 Professional Gaming (AQC108). Seems like the expensive AM5 boards that have it are using AQC113. There won't be 7.5GbE NICs, that's not a thing.

I'm waiting to see if we'll ever see 40GbE, which is theoretically possible with CAT8 on <30 meter runs but I've never seen any NICs release to support this.

dhodson66 said:
What wiring in your house do you have that allows 10g

I have a hard wired house from 2008 time period so I haven’t tried to go over 1
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I would presume you're using CAT5E? 2.5Gbps should be no issue. It's out of spec, but if your runs are short you might even be able to establish 5GbE/10GbE.
 
Dopamin3 said:
Meh, I'd settle for using 5GbE on a desktop board. It's fast enough for most Internet connections, and generally acceptable for most people doing a NAS or lots of LAN traffic stuff. Some/most? 10GbE RJ45 switches will negotiate at 2.5GbE/5GbE/10GbE (including your XS724EM). 5GbE was available on a motherboard in 2017 with the Asrock X370 Professional Gaming (AQC108). Seems like the expensive AM5 boards that have it are using AQC113. There won't be 7.5GbE NICs, that's not a thing.

I'm waiting to see if we'll ever see 40GbE, which is theoretically possible with CAT8 on <30 meter runs but I've never seen any NICs release to support this.



I would presume you're using CAT5E? 2.5Gbps should be no issue. It's out of spec, but if your runs are short you might even be able to establish 5GbE/10GbE.
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Yeah 7.5G was just a joke. :)

I've got 10G all the way down so 5G is great (over 2.5G) but just not lighting any fires to make a move to these boards.

dhodson66 said:
What wiring in your house do you have that allows 10g

I have a hard wired house from 2008 time period so I haven’t tried to go over 1
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It's just CAT6. Got the house wired when we were doing a remodel - mostly for backhaul but also every desktop and NAS is hardwired.
 
The problem with 2.5 and 5 Gb Ethernet is that older 10 Gbit interfaces can't do them. It is 1 or 10 Gbit/sec if you connect those two. Pretty annoying.
 
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