I hope so.I mean I'm sure it'll happen. Question is, will we be dead by then?
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I hope so.I mean I'm sure it'll happen. Question is, will we be dead by then?
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-testedLet's say Intel is selling their processors to Apple for an average of $150 each.
That's $2.7 billion that Apple will be keeping in-house, every year. Well, to use for paying TSMC and probably soon Samsung to make their M1 processors, anyway.
Apple systems with M1 *starting* prices:
Mac Mini (desktop, no peripherals) - $699
MacBook Air (13" screen) - $999
MacBook Pro (13"/16") - $1299/$2399
There's LOTS of fine print when it comes to Apple's claims about the M1:
In the Soap Box?This thread needs a proper home.
LOL!!!!!!!!!
I bet when Cyrix and Via came out someone said the same shit and yet.........here we are.
In the Soap Box?
In a trash can with all the other "end of x86, ARM will take over the entire world" threads.In the Soap Box?
Amazon also had massive continual investments in x86, including custom processors from Intel. And still had. Significant portions of their infra cannot run ARM because it’s a cloud version of on premise hardware- which is x86It's impossible to predict what the state of the market will be like in 10+ years.
Given Intel's massive DCG growth year over year while being behind AMD's 8-ball, I'd say that the market will favor x86 for the next 3-5 years.
Apple sure as heck isn't going to see any massive gains there, unless they start selling their own ARM processors as stand-alone that can be dropped into ISA severs, without demanding (in usual Apple fashion) that they be sold as turn-key Apple systems running an Apple in-house OS.
Amazon is a bit of an exception to the rule, as they have the sheer size and revenue to take on the task of converting their own data centers utilizing their own ARM-based server processor designs. Other megacorporations don't have their own server processor subsidiary.
Yep. I’ve use SPARC, irix, power- hell, I worked on a Blue Gene/L system right when they came out.Ah, someone with a long memory. This. x86 has been on the way out for what, 30 years now?
I mean I'm sure it'll happen. Question is, will we be dead by then?
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested
Actual tests, on single Core performance, it bests anything Intel can put forward.
Keep in mind though, this is a 5nm chip.
Also, I'd like real-world tests.
It's clear that X86 is a dying platform.
ARM is growing too fast for X86 to compete.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16226/apple-silicon-m1-a14-deep-dive/4
do you think that AMD will switch to ARM soon?
A big difference is that Apple won't care about datacenter performance, they will tune the chip to what they do the most, content creation, and media consumption, where it will probably excel.
You mean the same way they did with PPC?
Apple didn't design the PPC chips, IBM did. And back then, computing wasn't exactly like it is now.You mean the same way they did with PPC?
Apple didn't design the PPC chips, IBM did. And back then, computing wasn't exactly like it is now.
In 30 years you'll use the same argument when ARM is dead right after Apple laid in bed with AMD.
Yes and no. They make power chips, which are slightly different than the PowerPC chips (similar ISA, not identical across the board). It was a joint effort until ibm couldn’t get power 6 out in time with sane power budgets.why would ARM die? they power more devices than x86 chips do
Also, IBM is still making Power chips?
Have you seen how fast ARM is growing and how fast X86 is growing?
A shitty arm laptop with 10W have the same single core performance of a ryzen 5900 and the same performance of an Intel 9700k in multithread on emulated x86 app.
Doing some maths it's not difficult to understand that arm processor will be faster then every x86 in one or two years at most.
This. Skylake came out in late 2015. Intel is still using Skylake into 2021. That's 6 years of stagnation with the process node. It is 100% a mess up at the executive leadership level with 10nm and 7nm.Intel's process stagnation has made a lot of things look a lot better than they would otherwise.
On the other hand I think this is more of a decline in x86's importance at this point than a death knell.
That was definitely not the problem with Intel 10nm. It was executive leadership plain and simple.As was mentioned earlier, Intel pushed too hard on the process technology changing too many things at the same time. TSMC has show a more conservative approach of enhancement and gradual node steps work best instead of trying to "hit it out of the park" . Intel's problem even after the 10nm miss is they had no backup plan, either.
Your response vastly oversimplifies the issues and Ignorant at best.That was definitely not the problem with Intel 10nm. It was executive leadership plain and simple.
It's clear that X86 is a dying platform.
ARM is growing too fast for X86 to compete.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16226/apple-silicon-m1-a14-deep-dive/4
do you think that AMD will switch to ARM soon?
That's not how that expression worksYour response vastly oversimplifies the issues at best and Ignorant at best.
Speaking with friends who worked as process engineers in TMG, it is not an oversimplification.Your response vastly oversimplifies the issues and Ignorant at best.
Speaking with friends who worked as process engineers in TMG, it is not an oversimplification.
Executive leadership within TMG was fostering an incredibly reckless culture not dissimilar to Wall Street during the financial boom. Managers/Senior Engineers were being promoted based on "achieving" unrealistic short term goals by delivering misrepresented (or sometimes even fabricated) results. At the same time, their peers who were trying to speak up about potential issues were being retaliated against. Of course when the SHTF (or right before), those same bad managers/engineers either ducked out "seeking other opportunities" or disappeared.
And coincidentally, that's why Intel corporate training in the 2018/2019 time period conveniently started focusing on assuring workers that it is not okay to be retaliated against for bringing up "potential issues". That it should be encouraged to inform your management chain or even HR about "potential issues" if you have the data to back up said claims.
Cool Story Bro. Sounds like every job I had in Corporate America for the past several decades. Thank god its over with. Yeah it's the same over at Boeing too.
Intel's lofty over reaching goals for the 10nm process node and it's failures are well documented. It's not JUST management, those issues exist EVERYWHERE.
Strange, somehow AMD appears to be executing well.
Imagine that, have TSMC make your chips and you'll immediately get 7nm capability!Strange, somehow AMD appears to be executing well.
Thats the name of the game nowadays, you design your own stuff still but have TSMC fabricate it ~ amd, intel, apple, qualcom, mediatek, broadcomIntel is still designing good CPUs. It's just to bad they are having to scale them up from 10 to 14+++++++.
Ok thanks for agreeing with me.Intel is still designing good CPUs. It's just to bad they are having to scale them up from 10 to 14+++++++.
It's clear that X86 is a dying platform.
ARM is growing too fast for X86 to compete.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16226/apple-silicon-m1-a14-deep-dive/4
do you think that AMD will switch to ARM soon?
We already do. Both current Intel and amd processors are effectively SoC- there’s no northbridge.I think you are conflating ISAs and SOCs. what Is clear is that SOCs (with an OS to take advantage) are the future. No reason we couldn’t have a x86 SOC.