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Previous posts pretty much sum it up. If you already have the board or get one cheap x79 is still plenty good enough. Also super fun to overclock those unlocked Xeons. Get into it for cheap or fun but AM4 is a better investment long term.
I have a e5 1650v2 at 4.4 and it hangs close enough with first gen Ryzen 1600 and even 2600. My Son is on the 1600 and I went up to the 3900x to make the upgrade feel worth it from the Xeon.
With that said used Ryzen parts are easy to get and much more relevant and have a solid upgrade path as well. DDR4 is cheap now etc. Picked up my Son’s 1600, B450 pro carbon board and 16gb ram for less than 200 bucks. An oveclocking x79 board and a 1650 Xeon is that or more so..
Not to mention that over time, an old board can develop "problems." Right now some of the memory slots in my 2013 ASUS P9X79Pro don't seem to work, so I'm running with only 16 GB instead of the original 32 GB. I haven't had the time lately to do all of the testing necessary to establish if it is the memory SIMMs or the motherboard. And if some of the A1-D1 slots are bad, can I use the A2-D2 slots.X79 Xeons were the last gen to allow overclock. I don’t think x99 Xeons do.
So the trend of Intels HEDT platforms commanding exceptionally high premiums on the used market, years after release are numbered. The high core count Ryzens now outperform the high core count x79 and x99 CPUs pretty much universally. There is no reason for x99 (which I have now) to command a premium in the future. 18 core Intels with 2.0Ghz clock speeds and no overclock functionality won’t excite when Ryzen 12 and 16 core processors at twice the clock speed are available for little more.
Because there is very high demand for them. ebay is flooded with cheap x79 xeons.
X79 Xeons were the last gen to allow overclock. I don’t think x99 Xeons do.
So the trend of Intels HEDT platforms commanding exceptionally high premiums on the used market, years after release are numbered. The high core count Ryzens now outperform the high core count x79 and x99 CPUs pretty much universally. There is no reason for x99 (which I have now) to command a premium in the future. 18 core Intels with 2.0Ghz clock speeds and no overclock functionality won’t excite when Ryzen 12 and 16 core processors at twice the clock speed are available for little more.
The LGA 2011 x99 e5-16xx V3 are unlocked. The V4 is when Intel locked them up. I have an e5-1650V3 hexcore at 4.4ghz and an eight core V3 at 4.2ghz.
As far as AMD performing as well as an Intel it depends on what you do with your system.
AMD's implementation of AVX is really bad compared to Intel. They finaly fixed it after all these years with the newest CPUs zen2.
But now they lack AVX512 completely Their AVX was so bad some programs would use its ssee4 rather than its AVX.
Not really unless you are doing compute or AI learning type of stuff in which case it is valuable.Does anything of note actually use AVX512?
AMD's implementation of AVX is really bad compared to Intel. They finaly fixed it after all these years with the newest CPUs zen2.
But now they lack AVX512 completely Their AVX was so bad some programs would use its ssee4 rather than its AVX.
Does anything of note actually use AVX512?
The LGA 2011 x99 e5-16xx V3 are unlocked. The V4 is when Intel locked them up. I have an e5-1650V3 hexcore at 4.4ghz and an eight core V3 at 4.2ghz.
I'd skip on the 1680 V3 they're way too much imo. The 1680 V2 is a cool chip to upgrade an old X79 rig but I'd not get an X79 board to buy one that's just a waste of money. If you're penny pinching too there are better ways to spend than on this platform go with regular desktop it's much cheaper.I would look at the e5-1680v3 or 1660v3 for 8 core and 1650v3 for 6 core.
DDR4-2400 2x8gb, 16gb can be had now for 55$ or so, seen 3600 for 65$ on sale. That is not insanely expensive is it?
A while ago it was 120+ for 16gb, no longer.
Like I said skip the 1680 V3 that is 350 dollars... The 1660 V3 is the one to buy.The 1660v3 is a 8 core for under 200$ I got mine for 175$
Too much money is in the eye of the beholder I guess. Worth it to me.
They're still a solid performing option, plain and simple. DDR4 isn't enough of a performance increase (although there is an increase) but I would imagine much of it is due to what I do: upgrade your CPU with an unlocked Xeon. There are several unlocked xeons out there for cheap. I nabbed a cheap Xeon 6 core unlocked CPU not long ago and have been happily using the 6c/12t CPU at 4.2ghz quite happily since. Plus, for me, it's not worth the several hundred plus dollar price tag to go to a newer platform when I won't see a benefit in performance really. Sure, there's m.2, USB 10g, and a few other newer specs but I feel little to no need to have those right now.
My next step will probably X99 when I can find the right deal. I love the enthusiast platform even though it's totally overkill for me.
I've been trying to get rid of a 3930k and 4930k Mobo combo for the past week but there hasn't been much interest.
New ryzens are just too cheap to make x79 appealing to anyone it seems.
Yep sir you are right.I would say that's exactly the problem. I looked at your thread a couple times, but then I look over and see a Ryzen 5 2600 not being used sitting right next to me it's a lot easier for me just to find an AM4 board that supports it.
Even next year when you're going to start to see more Xeon's come off lease, you're also going to see Zen 3 and a glut of used Zen 2 chips hit the market. If I can buy a 12 core Xeon E5-2697 for X79 or a 3900x for any number of AM4 boards, I'll probably drop in the 3900x.
The glory days of X58 boards that run cheap Xeon's are unfortunately behind us thanks to AMD.