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Ok I will go for the CAS 16 version ($100 more than the CAS18 version). These are all similar price. My PC has no windows and RGB is a non issue for me. Should I go for option 1 over the other two?

OPTION 1, Around $450
G.Skill Ripjaws V, $450
2x, 32GB, DDR4-3600, DIMM 288
F4-3600C16D-64GVK
Hardware application range: Server / Workstation

OPTION 2, Around $450
G.Skill DDR4 PC 3600 CL16 KIT 64GTZR Tri/Z
2x, 32GB, DDR4-3600, DIMM 288
F4-3600C16D-64GTZR

OPTION 3, Around $450
G.Skill Neo
2x, 32GB, DDR4-3600, DIMM 288
F4-3600C16D-64GTZN

OPTION 1B (There is the 128 GB kit option) $812.–was $972.–
G.Skill Ripjaws,
4x, 32GB, DDR4-3600, DIMM 288
F4-3600C16Q-128GVK
 
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mda

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Don't think you'll really notice the difference between C18 and C16 unless your workload is extremely latency sensitive -- I'm guessing for server/workstation duty, it's probably going to be more capacity/bandwidth sensitive than latency sensitive.

This requirement may differ depending on your workload of course.

The Crucial Ballistix 3600 C16 64GB (2x32GB) are 375 on amazon other sites, which is cheaper, unless you mean 450$ after tax for your options.

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-Desktop-Gaming-BL2K32G36C16U4B/dp/B083TSLC72
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...32g36c16u4b_ballistix_64gb_32x2_3600_mhz.html
 

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Don't think you'll really notice the difference between C18 and C16 unless your workload is extremely latency sensitive -- I'm guessing for server/workstation duty, it's probably going to be more capacity/bandwidth sensitive than latency sensitive.

This requirement may differ depending on your workload of course.

The Crucial Ballistix 3600 C16 64GB (2x32GB) are 375 on amazon other sites, which is cheaper, unless you mean 450$ after tax for your options.

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-Desktop-Gaming-BL2K32G36C16U4B/dp/B083TSLC72
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...32g36c16u4b_ballistix_64gb_32x2_3600_mhz.html

Also, C18 might tighten to C16 anyway. I do that with my 2x16GB Hynix CJR sticks and it works perfectly fine.
 

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Damn ram prices really starting to suck again. I paid $160 for 32gb of the 3600 cas 16 a year ago.

Edit: I just looked at my MC receipt. It was $130 for g.skill ripjaw 3600 cas 16. This was 12/15/2019. Same kit now goes for $205 at MC.
 
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Don't think you'll really notice the difference between C18 and C16 unless your workload is extremely latency sensitive -- I'm guessing for server/workstation duty, it's probably going to be more capacity/bandwidth sensitive than latency sensitive.

This requirement may differ depending on your workload of course.

The Crucial Ballistix 3600 C16 64GB (2x32GB) are 375 on amazon other sites, which is cheaper, unless you mean 450$ after tax for your options.

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-Desktop-Gaming-BL2K32G36C16U4B/dp/B083TSLC72
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...32g36c16u4b_ballistix_64gb_32x2_3600_mhz.html
I am in Europe, the prices I gave are absolute total price with tax. I have narrowed down to these two G.Skill Ripjaws V-

CAS Latency 16/DDR4-3600
4 x 32 GB, F4-3600C16Q-128GVK $812 (Since launch the lowest price $690, the highest prices $930)
2 x 32 GB, F4-3600C16D-64GVK $448 (Since launch the lowest price $340, the highest prices $450)

Only 2 sets of each left. I need to pull the trigger NOW! lol

EDIT- The CAS 16 timing RAM requires 1.45v VS 1.35v for CAS 18 timing RAM. What should I make of that? Will I bleed $ in electricity for only few % performance gain?

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mda

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For most workstation tasks, I doubt you'd see the difference unless you manually time your tasks. I'd suggest you take the cheaper kit.

The additional voltage required by the C16 RAM does not really matter.

Remember that the wattage consumed is a product of voltage x amperage. While the voltage is indeed a bit higher, the total power draw will not "bleed" you. You will in fact save more money in electricity costs by either undervolting your CPU or by choosing a B550 over the power hungrier X570 chipset ;D
 

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Updated to the latest BIOS with the USB patch. Seems to be working fine so far.

Also enabled Re-BAR with my 3090.
 
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I am starting to look around for parts for my next gaming only PC and this will be my first ever AMD build. I have read that this is THE motherboard to buy. I also read that it is impossible to find. My local Microcenter has 11 in stock. This is the correct motherboard right?
https://www.microcenter.com/product...sshair-viii-dark-hero-amd-am4-atx-motherboard

That's the one. Doesn't seem they've been terribly difficult to find in their stores. I ordered on-line and picked up in store like two months ago.
 

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I am starting to look around for parts for my next gaming only PC and this will be my first ever AMD build. I have read that this is THE motherboard to buy. I also read that it is impossible to find. My local Microcenter has 11 in stock. This is the correct motherboard right?
https://www.microcenter.com/product...sshair-viii-dark-hero-amd-am4-atx-motherboard
It kind of depends on what you are after. For my part the draw was no chipset fan, m.2 locations, overclocking possibilities and I like overbuilt hardware. You can get good x570 motherboards for much less, that have most of the features that are in the dark hero. IMO it mostly makes sense with 5950x or 5900x and kind of with the 5800x. If you are making a build with few compromises then the board makes sense, but I wouldn't buy it to run with a 5600x and a 6700xt.
 

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It kind of depends on what you are after. For my part the draw was no chipset fan, m.2 locations, overclocking possibilities and I like overbuilt hardware. You can get good x570 motherboards for much less, that have most of the features that are in the dark hero. IMO it mostly makes sense with 5950x or 5900x and kind of with the 5800x. If you are making a build with few compromises then the board makes sense, but I wouldn't buy it to run with a 5600x and a 6700xt.
My plan was to pair it with a 5900x (and use the exclusive OC mode the Dark Hero has) and use them with the 3080Ti.

Thanks for the replies everyone!
 

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I think right now it is harder to find the 5900x than the Dark Hero(at least in my experience currently).
 

evhvis

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I think right now it is harder to find the 5900x than the Dark Hero(at least in my experience currently).
True, the 5800x is currently in stock with 50+ and the 5600x has often been in stock at my country's leading etailer, but the 5950x and 5900x have been order and you will get delivery hopefully in a month or two ever since launch. Dark hero was in stock at launch at 50+ units and has often been in stock, but my 5900x took 5 weeks even though I got my order through aprox. 3 mins after launch. Never seen it in stock, but afaik the 5950x is even more difficult to get than the 5900x. Could most likely order a 5900x and have it sometime in may or june, but not sure if it would be the same for a 5950x. The CPU should be easy to get though compared to a 3080ti which hasn't been launched yet and graphics cards for backorder (pretty much none can be ordered) at etailers is rare at the moment, at least in country.
 

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You may be right. I didn't get mine at retail. Luckily another forum member threw me a bone.
My Dark Hero has an estimated date of May 8th, so I have time. Currently fretting over memory while watch listing every site i can to see when a 5900X comes in stock.
 

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I'd have a Dark Hero sitting here since the holidays (which a family member only found by happenstance before it was on the shelves at MC - it was the ONE they got in that day!) , but until today I was striking out trying to get a reasonably priced 5950X for it - until today! Picked one up with the help of notifications and it will be arriving within a week or so; paid retail!

Now I see others are discussing RAM for the Dark Hero and getting the most performance/OC out of a 5950X, I';ve been looking at 32GB kits (dual channel), and 3600mhz as a minimum. I've been thinking for GSkill Trident Z Neo (or maybe, maybe the Royal version but its too blingy for my taste with the ice/diamond effect), or possibly Corsair or Crucial RGB options if they're much better for some reason. I read that the Trident Z Neo are AMD friendly, have great specs, and their RGB is easy to control on-board with Asus AURA and other sorts of compatible APIs . Should I bother going above 3600mhz? Likewise, are CL14 , 16 kits really worth it? Is it better to seek something slower with a better CL or faster, or does it matter much at all at this point? It seems like 3600mhz CL16 is the middle of the road as it were, but there's also things like 4000mhz CL18 (though I wonder if they'd run tighter timings if slower etc) that might be worth it as well if the price isn't insane. Any advice?
 
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I'd have a Dark Hero sitting here since the holidays (which a family member only found by happenstance before it was on the shelves at MC - it was the ONE they got in that day!) , but until today I was striking out trying to get a reasonably priced 5950X for it - until today! Picked one up with the help of notifications and it will be arriving within a week or so; paid retail!

Now I see others are discussing RAM for the Dark Hero and getting the most performance/OC out of a 5950X, I';ve been looking at 32GB kits (dual channel), and 3600mhz as a minimum. I've been thinking for GSkill Trident Z Neo (or maybe, maybe the Royal version but its too blingy for my taste with the ice/diamond effect), or possibly Corsair or Crucial RGB options if they're much better for some reason. I read that the Trident Z Neo are AMD friendly, have great specs, and their RGB is easy to control on-board with Asus AURA and other sorts of compatible APIs . Should I bother going above 3600mhz? Likewise, are CL14 , 16 kits really worth it? Is it better to seek something slower with a better CL or faster, or does it matter much at all at this point? It seems like 3600mhz CL16 is the middle of the road as it were, but there's also things like 4000mhz CL18 (though I wonder if they'd run tighter timings if slower etc) that might be worth it as well if the price isn't insane. Any advice?

I bought my CL14 ram to test against and hope to get some extra FCLK on the IF - this shit so fast i have not cared enough to go that far yet.
Anyone, and mostly everyone would be noticeably fine with a 3600 kit. Just IMO.
 

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I bought my CL14 ram to test against and hope to get some extra FCLK on the IF - this shit so fast i have not cared enough to go that far yet.
Anyone, and mostly everyone would be noticeably fine with a 3600 kit. Just IMO.

Thanks - last I checked amazingly the 3600mhz CL14 kits looked to be extremely expensive so I wasn't sure if they'd be worth it over the CL16 or CL18 ones (16 at a relatively minor premium vs 18), or if anything faster would be warranted. I'm looking to get the most out of my 5950X and am unsure about manually OCing , using auto PBO2 or whatever its called, or the special mode that is Asus Dark Hero specific; I hear gives the best of both for both all-core and single/few core as needed. I'll invest in something if its worthwhile, but I don't want to pay a significant premium for minor benchmark-only kinds of gains either.
 

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Thanks - last I checked amazingly the 3600mhz CL14 kits looked to be extremely expensive so I wasn't sure if they'd be worth it over the CL16 or CL18 ones (16 at a relatively minor premium vs 18), or if anything faster would be warranted. I'm looking to get the most out of my 5950X and am unsure about manually OCing , using auto PBO2 or whatever its called, or the special mode that is Asus Dark Hero specific; I hear gives the best of both for both all-core and single/few core as needed. I'll invest in something if its worthwhile, but I don't want to pay a significant premium for minor benchmark-only kinds of gains either.
Spending the $$$$$$$ on RAM to hit 2000 FLCK seems to be a fool's errand given how much problems I've seen with it. I seriously doubt anybody has it actually stable. It might be a bios issue but I would not spend the money now if your end goal is to have a fast and STABLE system. 3600 CL14 is plenty good unless you're trying to go for world first mem benches imho.
 

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Spending the $$$$$$$ on RAM to hit 2000 FLCK seems to be a fool's errand given how much problems I've seen with it. I seriously doubt anybody has it actually stable. It might be a bios issue but I would not spend the money now if your end goal is to have a fast and STABLE system. 3600 CL14 is plenty good unless you're trying to go for world first mem benches imho.

Thanks, but do you think that 3600 CL14 is particularly worth it over CL16 or higher? Going from memory, but it seemed like a 32GB Gskill TridentZ Neo 3600mhz kit was about $198 for CL18, $230 for CL16, but like $340 for CL14 .
 

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Thanks, but do you think that 3600 CL14 is particularly worth it over CL16 or higher? Going from memory, but it seemed like a 32GB Gskill TridentZ Neo 3600mhz kit was about $198 for CL18, $230 for CL16, but like $340 for CL14 .
I personally went with the 2x32GB TridenZ 3600C16 kit. Mostly because the internet said 3600CL16 was the sweet spot and the price difference between C18 and C16 was about 20-30 give or take.

I don't do much memory OCing and I just run at DOCP/XMP. If you were dead set on OCing I'd do a bit more research to see what type of die the c14 is (probably b-die?). See here, https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/master/DDR4 OC Guide.md
 

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Spending the $$$$$$$ on RAM to hit 2000 FLCK seems to be a fool's errand given how much problems I've seen with it. I seriously doubt anybody has it actually stable. It might be a bios issue but I would not spend the money now if your end goal is to have a fast and STABLE system. 3600 CL14 is plenty good unless you're trying to go for world first mem benches imho.

I had it on 2000 FCLK / 4000 memory. Really didn't see any performance difference though over 3600 CL14 (HAd it at 4000 CL18), on top of that higher SOC voltage so I use 1800/3600.
 

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I personally went with the 2x32GB TridenZ 3600C16 kit. Mostly because the internet said 3600CL16 was the sweet spot and the price difference between C18 and C16 was about 20-30 give or take.

I don't do much memory OCing and I just run at DOCP/XMP. If you were dead set on OCing I'd do a bit more research to see what type of die the c14 is (probably b-die?). See here, https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/master/DDR4 OC Guide.md
I went with that same exact kit. Really good price to performance. I upgraded from a 16gb kit from corsair.
 
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