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The retail price has not yet been set.....niether has the release date.
I'm sure AGP is a bottleneck now. I remember articles during the X850/6800 generation. There was usually a 1-3% difference favoring PCI-e. It could be as high as 20% now.
^ Doubt it, seeing as how the X1950pro agp costs roughly the same as the PCIe board.
Just when I was about to head out and get x1950 Pro I see this post...
Sigh...
I wonder how it performs compared to the PCI-e version on the best AGP mobo processors.
You can buy an AGP Core 2 mobo. I would like to see it benched with an e6600 maybe that will shut up the "AGP is dead" Crowd when they see an AGP card performs the same...
I'm sure AGP is a bottleneck now. I remember articles during the X850/6800 generation. There was usually a 1-3% difference favoring PCI-e. It could be as high as 20% now.
Because there is NO reason it should....none, nada zip..zilch...AGP just refuses to die.
Because there is NO reason it should....none, nada zip..zilch...
except if you really need to make people think they need new hardware so your profit can stay up......
I think there is a darn good reason.
I bought a new computer. It wasnt expensive, and I saved up awhile (and sold my old one), and it was really time to get a new one. 3 years is a good run for a computer.
Nowadays, there is a new standard, and the standard is PCI-E. Anybody buying a new computer has no reason to go agp, as most pci-e parts are cheaper (more massed produced, most likely). The reason agp is gonna go, is the new standard has been in place for quite some time now. It makes sense to support older technologies for awhile after the new standards come out, and they have done so with agp. But it's getting to the point where it really has been supported for long enough. Having two standards just doesnt benefit people as much as one, especially if it's newer and cheaper (cheaper per part, of course its not cheap to buy a whole new rig). Etc...I'm gonna get my ass kicked for this post, but its how i feel
I thought AGP died with the X850Pro already?
I thought Socket AM2 died with the core 2 release... Guess were all living in the past.
Where o where is this card cause I want it NOW.
well... going off of those reviews, the things a damn power hog. 360W with the peltier cooler enabled, and 260W with it turned off. i dont think i could even run my system with that card in it.
oh ya, its also got a hefty price tag on it too. 229 is 300 USD.
AGP is still alive and fine. The only thing AGP is missing out on is the 8800's.. But as for everything else, Radeon X1300, X1650XT, 7600GT, 7800GS, 1950pro, etc, AGP still has high performance cards, up to the B+ letter grade range.
I think the reason why the prices are higher between buying a PCIe card vs AGP card, is because of the format for new video cards after whenever AGP was supposedly phased out (when Nvidia stated they would not be making anymore AGP cards), which was around the X850's I think?
So, video card manufacturers have to go through another process of converting the card into AGP. All new modern cards are created for Pci-e format nowdays, companies such as HIS, GeCUBE, XFX and whatever are taking an extra step in that process to bridge PCI-e schematics to AGP. That's why it costs a bit more. Not to mention extra testing to make sure it's working on AGP.
I don't think PCI-e(8x) has any advantage over AGP8x on a 1:1 ratio, from so many benchmarks it seemed that the differences were irrelevant. I see the hype now from the 16x bus vs 8x AGP is very similar to when AGP made the jump from revision 2 to 3, which was the jump from 4x to 8x. Then we saw in benchmarks the differences were not "doubled", which everyone was expecting. IMO it's the same thing going on here.. if AGP was probably bumped up to a revision 4 at 16x (slight alterations to the bus, but backwards compatible), PCI-e probably wouldn't even exist today.. And everyone would still be AGP'ers
PCI-e Was designed with SLI and Crossfire in mind, notice no (I think) AGP crossfire or SLI cards. There is something different about them besides bandwith that allows the dual card configuration tocommunicate and stuff.
Also I really fail to see why a TEC cooling solution was needed lol.