WTFast don't try it. It is snake oil

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cdiesel

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I have not posted here in the past, but I have been a long time reader of HardOCP. I just wanted to let everyone know about my experience with WTFast and it's company. I heard about WTFast from checking out product pages for MSI video cards (I was thinking about purchasing an msi gaming x gtx 1070) I noticed that if i purchased the video card i would get a 2 month trial of WTFast. I should have been more discerning about the WTFast program and its claimed benefits, but i was curious so I want to the WTFast website and noticed they were offering 2 week free trials. So i signed up for a free account and free two week trial and downloaded their program. Surely, I mistakenly thought that if msi was offering a two month free trial it must work. I installed the WTFast program and started it up. Then I started world of warcraft up and i noticed it increased my ping an average of about 30 ms. I want to the troubleshooting section of wtfast's website and tried everything there. After trying everything in troubleshooting section, WTFast still increased my ping in world of warcraft by an average of about 30ms. So I uninstalled it.

Then I decided to look at WTFast's forums, I admit I should have looked earlier but almost all the posts were about the WTFast program raising people's pings in games. I read the forums rules and decided to leave a respectful post (no bad language or swearing or anything like that) In the short post I basically said that it raised my ping in wow by 30 ms in world of warcraft and that I felt that the service offered was snake oil. Instead of reaching out to me which they do once in a while in their forums they banned me from their forums and canceled my two-week trial.

I am so glad i did not give them money and I feel so sorry for the people that did. Bottom line is the services WTFast offers is snake oil and I am now considering a different brand of video card because I don't trust msi when they associate themselves with a company such as WTFast.
 

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Yeah... Any software program claiming to enhance performance is bullshit, unless its something that just closes everything else but OS stuff and the game so your not multi tasking.
 

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WTFast is great if you want to play Korean MMOs and use their private gateways, but I wouldn't use it locally.
 

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wtfast isn't snake oil, you don't understand what it does, what it's for, or how it works, just like most of the people that express the same ignorant senitment. and really, it's not your fault, it's wtfast's fault for failing to properly advertise their product. i'm not going to deny that from everything i've heard of their customer support that it's shady and often downright fucked but thankfully i'm a rational person so i don't let my emotional side override my perspective of facts.

if your routing is already optimal of course it's either going to do nothing or increase your ping because all that's doing at that point is adding another hop or several. if your routing is suboptimal it should reduce your ping as you connect to one of their servers which then routes your traffic through it and then an optimized route that their system thinks is the one with the lowest latency, effectively reducing hops and/or distance traveled to the destination point. all it is is a specialized vpn.

sorry for being abrasive but i saw this same kind of opinion piece/disinformation blow up a while back on reddit where a bunch of people were all led to believe the same thing by an opinionated ignoramus with a loud voice (not saying that about you), and nothing bothers me more than demonstrably false information getting spread all over the place.
 
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What you said may be true about it being a specialized VPN and it working if your internet connection is sub-par. But I see absolutely nothing on their website saying it you need a connection that is suboptimal for it to work. In fact it promises lower ping for anyone who uses it.

wtfast isn't snake oil, you don't understand what it does, what it's for, or how it works, just like most of the people that express the same ignorant senitment. and really, it's not your fault, it's wtfast's fault for failing to properly advertise their product. i'm not going to deny that from everything i've heard of their customer support that it's shady and often downright fucked but thankfully i'm a rational person so i don't let my emotional side override my perspective of facts.
This is kinda of illogical too. If a company can't advertise their product correctly and fail to interact with potential customers in a decent and respectful manner then how can I trust them to spend the time and money in developing their network and designing their software.
 
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wtfast isn't snake oil, you don't understand what it does, what it's for, or how it works, just like most of the people that express the same ignorant senitment. and really, it's not your fault, it's wtfast's fault for failing to properly advertise their product. i'm not going to deny that from everything i've heard of their customer support that it's shady and often downright fucked but thankfully i'm a rational person so i don't let my emotional side override my perspective of facts.

if your routing is already optimal of course it's either going to do nothing or increase your ping because all that's doing at that point is adding another hop or several. if your routing is suboptimal it should reduce your ping as you connect to one of their servers which then routes your traffic through it and then an optimized route that their system thinks is the one with the lowest latency, effectively reducing hops and/or distance traveled to the destination point. all it is is a specialized vpn.

sorry for being abrasive but i saw this same kind of opinion piece/disinformation blow up a while back on reddit where a bunch of people were all led to believe the same thing by an opinionated ignoramus with a loud voice (not saying that about you), and nothing bothers me more than demonstrably false information getting spread all over the place.


That's ever more naive than those "gaming" network cards. What the fuck man, what the fuck
 

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Yeah... Any software program claiming to enhance performance is bullshit, unless its something that just closes everything else but OS stuff and the game so your not multi tasking.
I would have to disagree there. Using the word ANY is pretty ultimative and means you belive ther is absolutly no stiatuions with no software that could improve performance. I hope you can see that you cant claim that there is not a single instance where some software might incrase performance.
Software that disable core parking would be one that proves you statmetn wrong. Stop using ultimative words if you cant back it up.



wtfast isn't snake oil, you don't understand what it does, ... it's wtfast's fault for failing to properly advertise their product ...
So not delivering promised results is not snake oil now... because the promise was wrong.... yeah i think I'm going to try that next time i promise my wife somthing.

Nono hunny i didnt fail to delvier on my promise.. my promise was just wrong...
 

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if either of you have some in-depth networking knowledge you'd like to share that would clear up why exactly wtfast doesn't do anything at all that'd be great.
 

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I would have to disagree there. Using the word ANY is pretty ultimative and means you belive ther is absolutly no stiatuions with no software that could improve performance. I hope you can see that you cant claim that there is not a single instance where some software might incrase performance.
Software that disable core parking would be one that proves you statmetn wrong. Stop using ultimative words if you cant back it up.





I'm sorry, I should have said pretty much any. But that's not exactly a great example. Windows 7 is the latest OS that would benefit in software, which could be done in the OS anyways. 8/10 the tweaks have been disabled, seems even if you think its not working doing registry tweak doesn't work anymore so that's pretty much moot.
 

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most of tweak are something you do thorugh tho os in some form or another. I'm not sure I'm correctly following/understading what you are trying to say .

I agree with you that most tweaks has show to been invalids. placebo, technically wrong or direct things that hurts you performance in the long run.

I an actually running a series of articles calling "Tweaksbusters" that test those tweaks one by one.

Disablign core parking was surpricing to me because everything else seems so far "meh"
 

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I've heard it can be beneficial for people who have notoriously poor connections by finding more efficient routes, but for people who already have a decent ISP it does nothing or even slows things down. I have it built into my router, never bothered with it since I tend to have pretty good pings as it is.
 

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I don't need to defend my knowledge of networking to you Odellus. Your post was illogical defending a company you yourself called shady in the first place. I tend to let fools like you argue with yourself instead. Two others called you out on this. I am new to this community and I hope this community will see your remarks as naive and illogical

People should also know that wtfast was taken off steam for giving people free month for good reviews (which is totally different then giving someone the product for a fair and honest review) and paid youtubers to support their products and people should also take this in to account when evaluating their product

I am not saying you are nessesary in their pocket tho

Also their own product website promises lower pings if you use it. It does not say wtfast will only work if routing is suboptimal a fact you yourself cannot refute
 

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Yeah... Any software program claiming to enhance performance is bullshit, unless its something that just closes everything else but OS stuff and the game so your not multi tasking.
This program sounds a lot like Killer NIC. Sure, if you are absolutely beating the hell out of your network connection and trying to game at the same time, maybe this application will help. I don't game that way and I'm sure most others do not either. My network, CPU and GPU are always idle when I load up a game so no "optimizations" are necessary.
 

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I'm not here to defend WTFast, but when I used it to play FFXIV (MMO), it definitely helped to keep connection up while raiding or running dungeons. Otherwise, it could be a slide show and cause wipes, since being a tank is pretty critical for group. The reason being is the route my normal connection for game would go through was bad and it was not just me. It affected Verizon FIOS customers playing the game. I think it was a hop with Level 3 somewhere.



WTFast provided me a VPN connection to a different route to get the game to play properly for raids/dungeons. When WTFast went to a paid service and was no longer free, we switched to Ping Zapper as their rates were lower and I had read good things about them.

I play WoW and I don't need a VPN service to play it.
 

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wtfast isn't snake oil, you don't understand what it does, what it's for, or how it works, just like most of the people that express the same ignorant senitment. and really, it's not your fault, it's wtfast's fault for failing to properly advertise their product. i'm not going to deny that from everything i've heard of their customer support that it's shady and often downright fucked but thankfully i'm a rational person so i don't let my emotional side override my perspective of facts.

if your routing is already optimal of course it's either going to do nothing or increase your ping because all that's doing at that point is adding another hop or several. if your routing is suboptimal it should reduce your ping as you connect to one of their servers which then routes your traffic through it and then an optimized route that their system thinks is the one with the lowest latency, effectively reducing hops and/or distance traveled to the destination point. all it is is a specialized vpn.

sorry for being abrasive but i saw this same kind of opinion piece/disinformation blow up a while back on reddit where a bunch of people were all led to believe the same thing by an opinionated ignoramus with a loud voice (not saying that about you), and nothing bothers me more than demonstrably false information getting spread all over the place.

I am confused. So, are they having your PC connect to their localish servers, which then try to see if they have a faster route between their servers than I would get direclty over the internet? And faster then use their proxy?
 

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This program sounds a lot like Killer NIC. Sure, if you are absolutely beating the hell out of your network connection and trying to game at the same time, maybe this application will help. I don't game that way and I'm sure most others do not either. My network, CPU and GPU are always idle when I load up a game so no "optimizations" are necessary.
no, that's not what this program is at all. the killer software is qos. this is a vpn.
I am confused. So, are they having your PC connect to their localish servers, which then try to see if they have a faster route between their servers than I would get direclty over the internet? And faster then use their proxy?
yes, basically.
I don't need to defend my knowledge of networking to you Odellus. Your post was illogical defending a company you yourself called shady in the first place. I tend to let fools like you argue with yourself instead. Two others called you out on this. I am new to this community and I hope this community will see your remarks as naive and illogical

People should also know that wtfast was taken off steam for giving people free month for good reviews (which is totally different then giving someone the product for a fair and honest review) and paid youtubers to support their products and people should also take this in to account when evaluating their product

I am not saying you are nessesary in their pocket tho

Also their own product website promises lower pings if you use it. It does not say wtfast will only work if routing is suboptimal a fact you yourself cannot refute
that's really nice and everything but i don't think you understand what logical or illogical means. you're the one making an emotionally charged post on a forum because you got shafted by shitty people and then making the leap to call their product bullshit because you have no idea what you're doing and you're mad and you want to let people know it. i never defended the company, i defended the product because when manchildren like yourself go on the internet and start spewing a bunch of bullshit about something, someone needs to step in and explain what's actually going on. two people called me out and when i asked for in-depth proof as to why this product doesn't do anything i get absolutely nothing of any substance. why? because you have nothing except your hurt feelings and empty brains. please continue to tell me more about what a bad company wtfast is, i don't care, i just care about whether their product does what it's intended to do or not, and it does.
 
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you don't know logic Odellius.I see no difference between the company and the product they produce, Odellius If they are shitty as you say and their product they falsely or misleading advertised (both you admit Odellus) and it does not do what is claims to do (lowing pings) then it must be snake oil. Please explain how that statement is illogical? What you are saying -A(shitty people made this) + -B(wrongly advertised) + -C(does not lower pings like it states on the website) = +D (Great product that does what it is supposed to do) Did you go to college and take logic? I have and I have a college degree to show for it. You most likely have not gone to college. You most likely can't define logic. No one needs in-depth knowledge to measure the difference in pings with or without wtfast. That is why no one replied no reply is needed. What in depth knowledge of networking do you have that leads you to defend wtfast?

You are the one attacking and calling me emotional. My feeling were not hurt by wtfast. I simply want to warn people not to waste their time like i did by trying their trial.
 
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