Would you purchase a card that was used for mining

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  1. Archaea

    Archaea [H]ardForum Junkie

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    It wasn’t. You said anyone who defends buying a used mining card is a miner selling something. That’s calling one side scummy —— which is a label.
     
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  2. AltTabbins

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    You are putting words in my mouth. I never mentioned anything about people selling cards.
     
  3. NKD

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    What does defending the value of their cards mean? Defend value for what purpose other than resale.
     
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  4. kirbyrj

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    It wasn't neutral though. Neutral is "people who won't buy mining cards and people who would buy mining cards." As soon as you introduce some sort of value judgment in there such as "defending the value of their cards" then you are no longer neutral.
     
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  5. noobferguson

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    Even if we do take miners, some of whom also happen to be gamers who supposedly babied their cards, at their word, how are any of us to know?

    Faith?

    Caveat emptor and all that.

    Let's face it, profit and greed was introduced on a massive scale to our beloved hobby, and we're all paying for it. It's no surprise these discussions are now falling on lines of emotionally charged and ulterior, vested economic interests.

    If you feel strongly about it, do or don't support miners. Let your buying speak for you.
     
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    I find it interesting people typically avoid talking about the memory stuff, probably because anyone who has OC'd for years knows there is something to memory degradation and it's not new. Just now it's hidden by error correction usually.
     
  7. Archaea

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    HBM is very heat sensitive for performance and overclockinng, and runs about 10* hotter on Vega chips than what the card temp says. As a miner I read this nearly the first couple weeks the cards were out as people started discovering it. I don’t know if these are fringe cases or not, but it’s possible this is a bigger issue with HBM or AMDs sensor placement and thermal throttling routeines. In a previous thread I asked Kyle Bennett and Brent Justice if they’d ever heard of or experienced RAM degradation over the years in any of their GPU or RAM overclockIng testing and the answer given was no - not to their knowledge.

    You don’t make general rules on fringe class or exceptions. I’ve read no such cases about GGDR having that issue. And extreme conditions of heat abuse are clearly abusing the cards - which is what we talked about in knowing/trusting your seller.

    Nvidia recently redid their warranty clauses expressly disallowing warranty for GeForce branded cards in commercial data centers, They did not specifically call out mining as a warranty voiding activity. They had every option to do so ove the last 5-6 years with crypto cycles if they were concerned about it negatively affecting their warranty and returns figures.
     
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  8. wareyore

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    I have purchased used mining cards. For the right price they can be a great value, especially during the recent insanity we experienced in the retail market in terms of both availability and price.

    I picked up a couple of 1060's and a 1070ti from miners during the silly season for about half of their original MSRP, which was around 30-35% of the actual market rate for those cards at the time.

    They all work fine for gaming. The used cards let me upgrade family members PC's during a crazy expensive time to customize PC's for a fraction of the cost of buying new. The 1070ti was so cheap I sprung for an NZXT water cooling kit at put a spare Corsair AIO on it.

    Just make sure you can test the card before you hand over the cash.
     
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  9. thebufenator

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    Thank you for a logical opinion that is not controlled by emotions and a dislike toward miners.
     
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    Welcome to comixbooks
     
  12. AltTabbins

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    A lot of people just don't want cards used for mining. I am one of them. From what I can see on this forum and others, I think its a majority of people buying GPUs would rather have one that wasn't used for mining. A few people in this thread even have FS threads selling video cards where they had mention cards weren't used for mining.
     
  13. pendragon1

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    ha that's what happened with my 280x, was a "lightly" mined card, came with vram artifacts so i bumped vram voltage and it went away, then came back then it died. :(
     
  14. NKD

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    well alot of people here have been saying that the seller could be bullshitting you. I mean if one wants to avoid buying mining cards. Go buy new, problem solved and people should stop bitching. Those who want to buy used, let them. I have bought used here all the time. I haven't had any issues. One goes by experience. When I do have a dead card may be I would be on the same boat. But we all have to rely on our own experience.
     
  15. Hagrid

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    Either you trust the person or not. I sold some cards here that were mined on, only 5 or so months or less on some. But I also have a pic of my mining cabinet inside the house with a vent. I also posted pics of the temps inside which were WAY below anything needed, but I like overkill. They also had the warranty. I have 2 580's I am going to sell that were mining.
     
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    I have 80 nvidia cards, all mining away. Most were purchased new last fall before the above msrp shit started. A good number of them were purchased used from unknown sellers on eBay (they all had good ratings). They are all going strong still. I did have one MSI 1070 Sea Hawk fail. Sent it to MSI for repair under warranty, no problem except it took 40 days before the replacement arrived. That particular card was purchased from a miner that I know was gentle with his cards, so the failure was not due to mining. Also had one EVGA fail (also 1070) after about 5 months of mining 24/7. They send me a replacement within a week that was a newer model.

    So I have no problem buying used miner cards, as long as it from eBay with buyer protection, or locally on Craigslist where I can test it, or someone else I trust. And a valid warranty doesn't hurt either. I think once the Pascal cards are near the 3 year mark, I'll probably pass, unless they are down to like 25% of original cost, and the upcoming 11xx series is no more than ~30% more efficient than the current gen.
     
  17. AltTabbins

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    Maybe the question should be split in two.

    Would you buy a used mining card for mining? and Would you buy a used mining card for gaming/regular use?
     
  18. dvsman

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    Anything and everything can be a good deal if it's for the right price. Would I pay the same amount for a mining card as I would a non-mining card? No. But if a miner was selling a card super cheap / great deal, I'd definitely think about it.

    My caveat now isn't whether its a miner card or not but - if rumors are to be believed - the fact that it's so close to 1180 release / drop date. Buying ANY 1080 family card for 600-700 right now might be a not so great idea.
     
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    Well to be fair, the likelihood of finding the 11 series in the wild that isn't grossly inflated will be low at best IMHO.
     
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  20. Digital Viper-X-

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    I would and have, as long as it's under warranty, it's fine. I'd rather buy a clean card from a miner, than a card from a computer that was smoked around :) that shit is NASTY

    My gaming rig rig after gaming:
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    Mining rig / server during mining:

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  21. Hagrid

    Hagrid Kyle's Boo

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    Have you tried mining at a lower power limit? I found the limit and watts used to be best around 60%.
     
  22. reaper12

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    Buying a second hand card that was used for mining is no different than buying any second hand graphic cards. If you know and trust the person you are buying from then there should be no problem. But, if you are buying off some random person on Ebay or wherever, then it doesn't matter if you are buying a second hand mining or gaming card you are taking a chance either way.
     
  23. Digital Viper-X-

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    in my main rig yeah I do run it at 75%, however for that rig, as you can see the temp is 51 with 60% fan, I's a very well vented case :
     
  24. Hagrid

    Hagrid Kyle's Boo

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    Its not about heat but power to money ratio. Unless you have cheap electric.
     
  25. GOD'SlittleSERVANT

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    So many mine hating liberals.
     
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  26. viivo

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    Is this like the old argument about a mechanical harddrive's power-on hours vs. start/stop count. If so, I look forward to its obsoletion.
     
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  27. Digital Viper-X-

    Digital Viper-X- [H]ardForum Junkie

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    I'm mining for the long run :) I guess relatively speaking it is cheap electricity here.
     
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  29. _l_

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    seems just about every product that's technical has a MTTF

    In all these many months of mining going on I've never seen anyone ask this question (not saying no one did, said I never saw it).

    So what's the MFFT for 10 series cards?
     
  30. exlink

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    Yup as long as its under warranty still. I cycle hardware so often that by the time the warranty is up I'll have moved onto another GPU.
     
  31. Dayaks

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    It’s in the millions of hours.... questionable lol.
     
  32. Digital Viper-X-

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    I think the fans might fail before the GPU components :)
     
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  33. Comixbooks

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    On the back of my Msi box 1080TI it states 12 years 112,468 hours at 70 degrees for gaming.
    vs:
    365,655 hours for office use at 60 degrees 40 years.
     
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  34. _l_

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    can you please snap a pic with your cell phone and post it here? I have GTX 1080 FTW and nothing on the box about MFFT is on it.
     
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    How is me asking how the cards are used (Mining vs Gaming) hating on mining?
     
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    "Would you purchase a card that was used"

    This would the point where I stop and reply with a NO. It doesn't matter if it was used as a mining, gaming or a sex toy, if it is used, I ain't buying it.

    Unless it's an EoL for 10 years card and thereby have no choice.
     
  39. thebufenator

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    I like my used card discounts. Half my mining cards were used when I bought them last year. Still chugging along at 70% TDP
     
  40. _l_

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    ok, I'll pay out $200 (shipped) for an EVGA GTX 1070 that was used for mining. Anyone have one to sell me ?