World Population Expected To Reach 9.7 Billion By 2050

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If only we could beam people to Kepler-452b, eh? Projections like these aren't necessarily reliable, but they at least serve as a reminder to just how populated our planet is.

It's not an increase in fertility that's driving the growth. It's longer lifespans. Globally, people born today are expected to live to age 70, but people born in 2050 will live to age 77. Their grandkids born in 2100 will live even longer: 83 years.
 
I'd bet that anti aging advancements will have people living a hell of a lot longer then 83 in 2100!
 
If only we could beam people to Kepler-452b, eh?
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If only we could beam immigrants back to their country of origin, so that the countries with over population issues related to birth rates will be forced to deal with it themselves.
 
Converge said:
I'd bet that anti aging advancements will have people living a hell of a lot longer then 83 in 2100!
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It's a global average, poor people in poor countries will still be dying at early ages by the droves, bringing the average down.

I wish I had a less pessimistic view about that, but ugh...
 
sfsuphysics said:
If only we could beam immigrants back to their country of origin, so that the countries with over population issues related to birth rates will be forced to deal with it themselves.
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Thats a lot of people to move out of the US to only leave the native Indians.:rolleyes::p
 
There's a great documentary on population growth called "Overpopulated". Worth checking out. It discusses how certain populations will decline (Russia is one). Americans alike have shifted from 4+ kid families to 1-2 kid (or 0) families because of work/life balances.

The biggest growths are the 3rd world where contraception isn't a widespread thing.
 
Most of first world countries are actually decreasing in population. Most people think its people in the U.S. and similar places. Its not. We are declining. We are going to die off if anything. The explosion in population is from 3rd world countries. People with tech and proper schooling. People out in the middle of nowhere. lol
 
70 seems pretty young, unless you're averaging in the 3rd world countries.
 
damicatz said:
No humans originated in North America.
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Yep. Your "Native" Americans just immigrated here sooner.

Of course we see how their inability to control the boarders worked out for them.

Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
 
Megalith said:
If only we could beam people to Kepler-452b, eh? Projections like these aren't necessarily reliable, but they at least serve as a reminder to just how populated our planet is.
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And yet if we crowd everyone in at the population density of New York (not that I'd want to live in an area that crowded), we could fit all 6.9 million people on our planet into the state of Texas, and still have some room left over for a few parks.
 
This doesn't take into account the world war in 2026 where billions will die in China, India, The New Socialist Russian Republic and the United States and allies.

Wait. Nevermind. Pretend I didn't say anything.
 
Um...Sorry. I can't let him take that one. I own that one.

Sorry...Seemed like a good idea at the time, but I was drunk.

Bubonic Plague....Yeah, sorry about that one too. I was sober, but...a guys gotta do what a guys gotta do.
 
SvenBent said:
Thats a lot of people to move out of the US to only leave the native Indians.:rolleyes::p
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Don't get me wrong, my statement was by no means one of those "dem damn foreigners took mer jerb!" type of replies. Everyone who's here is fine by me, my problem is when you get countries that are overflowing with people to the point of destruction emigrating from them to other places, only to cause those places to overflow and eventually become shitholes that can't feed their own citizens.
 
sfsuphysics said:
If only we could beam immigrants back to their country of origin, so that the countries with over population issues related to birth rates will be forced to deal with it themselves.
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Might be horrible to say but fuck that, I'm not making my own coffee or scrubbing my works toilets and we don't have enough non immigrants to do the shit jobs we won't do for min wage. Getting rid of immigrants would seriously hurt the economy, they do the small things that we won't do for wages we won't work for.
 
Ragenrok said:
Might be horrible to say but fuck that, I'm not making my own coffee or scrubbing my works toilets and we don't have enough non immigrants to do the shit jobs we won't do for min wage. Getting rid of immigrants would seriously hurt the economy, they do the small things that we won't do for wages we won't work for.
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Plenty of teenagers, bums, or felons would take those jobs. It would hurt the corporations who love paying less than minimum wage for the illegals that come in.
 
Wow, current world population is 7.26 billion. Nothing personal everyone, but I meet lots of people every day and everyday I wish 7,259,999,979 of you were not with us any more. So, there are what 21 people on the planet I actually like, good for me.:D

Check out the current population on the US Census bureau site, how many born and die every second, etc, kinda cool.

http://www.census.gov/popclock/
 
I should also note, that I am for mandatory euthanasia, say at about the age of 68 and I believe in maximum of 1 child per couple to stem over-population. I also love sterilization of the stupid, dumb and obese, so let's start setting the standards and culling the "herd" before it's too late!!!:eek:
 
How much longer till we get most of our meat from cats, dogs, and rats? Really looking forward to that... Beef is already quickly becoming a luxury for me.
 
Ragenrok said:
Might be horrible to say but fuck that, I'm not making my own coffee or scrubbing my works toilets and we don't have enough non immigrants to do the shit jobs we won't do for min wage. Getting rid of immigrants would seriously hurt the economy, they do the small things that we won't do for wages we won't work for.
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It's not horrible to say that at all. It's good to see respect rather than scorn for those willing to do the "small work" for those of us in the privileged upper classes.
 
Ragenrok said:
Might be horrible to say but fuck that, I'm not making my own coffee or scrubbing my works toilets and we don't have enough non immigrants to do the shit jobs we won't do for min wage. Getting rid of immigrants would seriously hurt the economy, they do the small things that we won't do for wages we won't work for.
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Sounds like it would hurt your economy. While the economy of the people who do actual work gets better instead of being suppressed with labor dumping.
 
Aspendancer said:
Wow, current world population is 7.26 billion. Nothing personal everyone, but I meet lots of people every day and everyday I wish 7,259,999,979 of you were not with us any more. So, there are what 21 people on the planet I actually like, good for me.:D

Check out the current population on the US Census bureau site, how many born and die every second, etc, kinda cool.

http://www.census.gov/popclock/
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I think this is why we're letting Iran get the bomb.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Don't get me wrong, my statement was by no means one of those "dem damn foreigners took mer jerb!" type of replies. Everyone who's here is fine by me, my problem is when you get countries that are overflowing with people to the point of destruction emigrating from them to other places, only to cause those places to overflow and eventually become shitholes that can't feed their own citizens.
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I can kinda get your point but I think its way more complex than that.
I did find it funny cause it reminded me of a time a work friend was driving me to McDonald.
He is a bit of a redneck's. but very friendly dude.
The McD lady gives him the wrong something and in the car he goes: "those darn foreingers need to learn the Fing language" and i was laughing cause apparently he didn't even think of me as a foreigner despite that i had only lived in the states for around 1.5 years.
 
Conker said:
Most of first world countries are actually decreasing in population. Most people think its people in the U.S. and similar places. Its not. We are declining.
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No we're not. Our population is still increasing, but our BIRTH RATE is declining. The population increase comes from immigration.

r-486 said:
Plenty of teenagers, bums, or felons would take those jobs. It would hurt the corporations who love paying less than minimum wage for the illegals that come in.
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Ain't that the truth. It's funny, there's actually a really straightforward bipartisan solution to illegal immigration: crack down on the EMPLOYERS. Start throwing substantial prison sentences at every COMPANY that hires illegals, to the point where none of any real size would want to remotely risk it. Liberals would like it because it would reduce "race to the bottom" wages. Conservatives would like it because it means that illegals have a hell of a lot less incentive to come here because they wouldn't be able to find work. It will never happen though, because it's not want big money wants. Big money wants that cheap, cheap labor to keep on coming.

Aspendancer said:
I should also note, that I am for mandatory euthanasia, say at about the age of 68 and I believe in maximum of 1 child per couple to stem over-population. I also love sterilization of the stupid, dumb and obese, so let's start setting the standards and culling the "herd" before it's too late!!!
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Stay in school, kid.
 
r-486 said:
Plenty of teenagers, bums, or felons would take those jobs. It would hurt the corporations who love paying less than minimum wage for the illegals that come in.
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Not true for bums. Many of them I know are more than happy getting their free government check, and a couple of hundred dollars from panhandling the marks that are dumb enough to give them money, and free meals from local churches and the like. I know, I used to drive the public bus, and have spoken with many of them.

There is a reason you don't see bums at the day labor sites. They are too lazy to do any real work, and honestly get more from their handouts than they would from any day labor.

Don't feed the animals standing on the side of the road. They are not hungry, and do not need your help.
 
Spidey329 said:
There's a great documentary on population growth called "Overpopulated". Worth checking out. It discusses how certain populations will decline (Russia is one). Americans alike have shifted from 4+ kid families to 1-2 kid (or 0) families because of work/life balances.

The biggest growths are the 3rd world where contraception isn't a widespread thing.
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There are some people who think that population will eventually stabilize but what these people ignore is that every single base pair of DNA in an organism is there to make it reproduce. Ok that's an exaggeration but the point is that people are programmed to screw and evolution selects for those that will do this, this is obvious. There are places that are largely developed like Israel where they have sub populations of people who are returning to high birth rates. But people her think that its just all about money and work life balance but that doesn't really make sense, do first generation immigrants that are churning out kids like jack rabbits not work hard? They do work hard very hard and long hours, then they go home and make more kids. Also if you have never read it check out any of the books about generational churn but Strauss and Howe. In these books they talk about a striking pattern in humans that results in population booms. America went through this and we called them the baby boomers, they weren't just a bunch of third world immigrants. India is the midst of just such a baby boom. Chances are we will see it again. And that is the scary thing, a lot of people think that populations are just going to grow forever or stop growing but not a lot of people consider that their are cyclic trends in growth and that the world as a whole is synchronizing. Where hundreds of years ago people may have been all on different cycles now we are getting more on the same cycle. Which is why a whole country that doesn't do much immigration like Japan can see such massive swings, from a blossoming young work aholic population to an over the hill tired population losing control of everything.
 
I once did the calculations on population and land area, and found that if you give every single person on the planet(not just each family) a 2000 sqft house you can fit them all on the land mass of Greenland and have room left over. Then you have the rest of the world to grow food on.

The world population could double several times over as it would still be possible for the Earth to support them all. Maybe not with the standards of living and habits we have now, but it would still be possible. The worry about over population is very much over blown and over hyped just to try to scare people into giving governments more control over their lives.
 
jedijeb said:
The world population could double several times over as it would still be possible for the Earth to support them all.
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Make no mistake, the Earth will make adjustments for population control. Gotta remember, we're just renting this rock.
 
tetris42 said:
No we're not. Our population is still increasing, but our BIRTH RATE is declining. The population increase comes from immigration.

Ain't that the truth. It's funny, there's actually a really straightforward bipartisan solution to illegal immigration: crack down on the EMPLOYERS. Start throwing substantial prison sentences at every COMPANY that hires illegals, to the point where none of any real size would want to remotely risk it. Liberals would like it because it would reduce "race to the bottom" wages. Conservatives would like it because it means that illegals have a hell of a lot less incentive to come here because they wouldn't be able to find work. It will never happen though, because it's not want big money wants. Big money wants that cheap, cheap labor to keep on coming.

Stay in school, kid.
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The bipartisan solution will never happen because both parties know that the voting population is shifting due to immigrants especially those from Central America booming in population. So all solutions that are proposed will only be solutions that pander to that voting demographic. That is why the solution for path to citizenship came up. In reality path to citizenship is an extremely racist policy, but you will almost never see any politician admit this, why? Because it is specifically designed to help illegal aliens but not just any illegal aliens specifically Latino illegal immigrants. So what group of people does this target and what group of people does it exclude? Well it obviously targets immigrants that have an easy way to get here illegally IE central Americans or Canadians those with direct borders to the USA. And it specifically ignores immigrants that are from other places such as Africans and Asians which will find it far more difficult to get across an ocean illegally as well as needing the money for plane or boat rides and have much higher risks associated with failure to make it here, simply put most will be rejected right at the airport. The group we will have to ignore a little is people from other largely developed countries mostly because those people will still find it easy to get here but on the other hand they don't have nearly the motivation. Lets say, Japanese, Canadians, Germans etc..... But those countries are a major source of laundering illegals into the USA Asians especially love to route in through Canada.

If I posted up a law and said I would let in 25 immigrants and give them citizenship and of those 20 would be Latinos, and only 3 Asian and only 1 European and 1 African. I would do this by a green card lottery. And there would be no background checks or anything for the Latinos but there would be for the other 3 groups. What would you say? Think about it this is exactly what path to citizenship does in practice I don't know the numbers of each race but I wouldn't be surprised if that is pretty close to what I posted. Notice with exception of Europeans the group that is most discriminated against here is black people. Good thing our black president is pushing for this right?
 
jedijeb said:
The world population could double several times over as it would still be possible for the Earth to support them all. Maybe not with the standards of living and habits we have now, but it would still be possible.
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You have a source on that? My understanding is 10 billion is about our limit where people can still eat:

http://www.livescience.com/16493-people-planet-earth-support.html

It's not just space, it's about arable land and availability of freshwater. Plus, don't forget oil, it's used in all modern fertilizers, to say nothing of transporting the food where it needs to go. The carrying capacity without oil is closer to 1.5 billion. Not that we're going to run out of oil in our lifetimes, but once production declines, so does our carrying capacity for the human population.
 
It's a fallacy to state the maximum population of the Earth when technology is continually increasing the short term maximum population limit at the cost of decreasing the long term maximum population limit.
 
Aspendancer said:
I should also note, that I am for mandatory euthanasia, say at about the age of 68 and I believe in maximum of 1 child per couple to stem over-population. I also love sterilization of the stupid, dumb and obese, so let's start setting the standards and culling the "herd" before it's too late!!!:eek:
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Let's start with you. You're obviously a mid-wit at best.
 
tetris42 said:
You have a source on that? My understanding is 10 billion is about our limit where people can still eat:

http://www.livescience.com/16493-people-planet-earth-support.html

It's not just space, it's about arable land and availability of freshwater. Plus, don't forget oil, it's used in all modern fertilizers, to say nothing of transporting the food where it needs to go. The carrying capacity without oil is closer to 1.5 billion. Not that we're going to run out of oil in our lifetimes, but once production declines, so does our carrying capacity for the human population.
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If we want to maintain current levels of comfort then probably it will top out at 10 billion, but with over 7 billion now, we are not nearly at food capacity as many places say we are. Just take the food that is wasted in the United States alone and you could probably feed another billion people. Plus if the advanced societies didn't over eat, that would free up a lot more food. In the US there are millions of acres of tillable land that the government pays farmers to not grow food on to help keep prices up enough to keep farmers in business, then figure in all the millions of acres of Federal parks that could be used to grow food and the amount of food that the US along could produce is amazing.

Again it is easy and comfortable to move food and people around using oil, but if oil is gone, we always can use sailing vessels to move bulk food, and move to nuclear plants and electric railroads to move food across land. Stop watering lawns and having recreational water parks and pools and you will save a lot of potable water for drinking. If it becomes more of a problem we should move cities like Los Angeles to locations where water is available instead of trying to make large cities in places where water is scarce.

It is social problems more than physical limitations that limit how many people can live in a certain area. That will be the major factor going forward. Sharing of resources equally instead of hording by certain groups will aid in allowing larger populations to survive.
 
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