Windows Vista Has Just 30 Days to Live

DocSavage

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Vista worked well on modern systems (at the time). Its biggest issue was 3rd party hardware developers dragging their feet on writing drivers that worked well. Nvidia took a few months after Vista's release but they eventually got it right. Creative took years and (based on what I've seen) had lost a lot of their customer base due to this. Another problem was that Intel had a lot of old 9XX chipsets it needed to dump, so Intel and Microsoft came up with that confusing "Vista Capable/Ready" bullshit that fouled the marketplace with computers that were stated to support the OS but couldn't actually support the parts people wanted.

Another "problem" Vista had was the fact that it appeared to use a lot of system RAM. In fact, the OS placing as much data into RAM as it could was a good thing overall, but the common IT guy at the time didn't understand this and therefore labeled the OS a "resource hog". By the time people started to understand this, Vista's reputation was already all but ruined and Windows 7 was already in beta.
Like other people said, a lot of systems were sold with sub-par specs and Vista at release had some sort of bug that would destroy filesystem speeds. I remember it taking over an hour to copy someone's word documents from the old hard drive to their new Vista machine. It was maddening.
 

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I've been thinking about digging out some old hardware and spinning up an install of longhorn M4 for nostalgia sake... This may be a good enough reason.
 

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Vista worked well on modern systems (at the time). Its biggest issue was 3rd party hardware developers dragging their feet on writing drivers that worked well. Nvidia took a few months after Vista's release but they eventually got it right. Creative took years and (based on what I've seen) had lost a lot of their customer base due to this. Another problem was that Intel had a lot of old 9XX chipsets it needed to dump, so Intel and Microsoft came up with that confusing "Vista Capable/Ready" bullshit that fouled the marketplace with computers that were stated to support the OS but couldn't actually support the parts people wanted.

Another "problem" Vista had was the fact that it appeared to use a lot of system RAM. In fact, the OS placing as much data into RAM as it could was a good thing overall, but the common IT guy at the time didn't understand this and therefore labeled the OS a "resource hog". By the time people started to understand this, Vista's reputation was already all but ruined and Windows 7 was already in beta.
People still claim Vista was a memory hog. I never had a issues with Vista. It was a great upgrade from XP. I had mostly a modern pc at that time so I didn't feel the growing pains much.
 
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People still claim Vista was a memory big. I never had a issues with Vista. It was a great upgrade from XP. I had mostly a modern pc at that time so I didn't feel the growing pains much.

It's funny because the memory management system is the same in every Microsoft OS since Vista. Linux/Unix kernels were using such a system years earlier and that was one of the reasons people liked it. Unused RAM is wasted RAM!
 

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It's funny because the memory management system is the same in every Microsoft OS since Vista. Linux/Unix kernels were using such a system years earlier and that was one of the reasons people liked it. Unused RAM is wasted RAM!
Vista needed more ram for its basic functions.
There was less left for programs.
 

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You would think you would actually research the problem.
The memory management system wasnt the main problem, its the amount of free memory left over after the system had finished taking what it needs.
And remember that it caches data on the hard drive.
So when you needed to use what was in the cache and memory was already full, it would start thrashing.
This was common on systems with less than 2GB ram.

Even when memory wasnt full it could still take a while to respond because hard drives were so slow.
 

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You would think you would actually research the problem.
The memory management system wasnt the main problem, its the amount of free memory left over after the system had finished taking what it needs.
And remember that it caches data on the hard drive.
So when you needed to use what was in the cache and memory was already full, it would start thrashing.
This was common on systems with less than 2GB ram.

Even when memory wasnt full it could still take a while to respond because hard drives were so slow.


Have a source to back up these facts?
 

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Have a source to back up these facts?
I don't know about the ram management claims, but Wikipedia mentions this about Vista service pack 1:

A white paper, published by Microsoft on 29 August 2007, outlined the scope and intent of the service pack, identifying three major areas of improvement: reliability and performance, administration experience, and support for newer hardware and standards.[129]

One area of particular note is performance. Areas of improvement include file copy operations, hibernation, logging off on domain-joined machines, JavaScript parsing in Internet Explorer, network file share browsing,[126] Windows Explorer ZIP file handling,[130] and Windows Disk Defragmenter.[131] The ability to choose individual drives to defragment is being reintroduced as well.[126]
 

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I don't know about the ram management claims, but Wikipedia mentions this about Vista service pack 1:

A white paper, published by Microsoft on 29 August 2007, outlined the scope and intent of the service pack, identifying three major areas of improvement: reliability and performance, administration experience, and support for newer hardware and standards.[129]

One area of particular note is performance. Areas of improvement include file copy operations, hibernation, logging off on domain-joined machines, JavaScript parsing in Internet Explorer, network file share browsing,[126] Windows Explorer ZIP file handling,[130] and Windows Disk Defragmenter.[131] The ability to choose individual drives to defragment is being reintroduced as well.[126]

What does any of this have to do with what I said about RAM management?
 
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