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Bender_Unit_22 said:
thedude42 said:personally i have found some of the claims of the benefits and drawbacks to be either misleading or false, and have found what works and what doesn't on my own.
Leadman584 said:Ok, with all the insanely intelligent MS guys lurking, surely we could get a straight answer. I turn off crap till it crashes the holy hell out of my rig, and enable one at a time, till all is well again. With programmers, developers, testers, etc., from MS here as members, none of us should have these problems. Why do we have to go to Black Viper, or anyone else for the answers? Is Optimum OS configuration supposed to be a secret or what? I could give a darn about the company line, how bout some straight scoop?
chinoquezada said:for me it was like this:
- Learned bout BlackViper ---> Tweaked ---> Crashed
- Thought "it must be my fault" ---> Tweaked some more ---> Crashed worst than before
- Found another tweaking site www.tweaktown.com ----> Tweaked according to them ---> Crashed some more. (by that time i had just registered here)
- Began to think "i must be stupid or something" ---> Tweaked the hell out of my system ---> Crashed on the next reboot.
- Finally, after hearing insights on the truth of "disabling services" by the good people here ---> Never tweaked my services again ---> Have not crashed ever since...
chinoquezada said:for me it was like this:
- Learned bout BlackViper ---> Tweaked ---> Crashed
- Thought "it must be my fault" ---> Tweaked some more ---> Crashed worst than before
- Found another tweaking site www.tweaktown.com ----> Tweaked according to them ---> Crashed some more. (by that time i had just registered here)
- Began to think "i must be stupid or something" ---> Tweaked the hell out of my system ---> Crashed on the next reboot.
- Finally, after hearing insights on the truth of "disabling services" by the good people here ---> Never tweaked my services again ---> Have not crashed ever since...
SJConsultant said:Respectfully, thedude42 isn't looking for a debate on the topic, rather he is on an information gathering mission in order to find out just how many people have tweaked their systems and services for gaming and performance as well as their results from said tweaks.
There are quite a few other threads debating the topic with strong opinoins about whether a person should or should not specifically disable services. I have my own experiences, views, and opinoins on the matter, but this thread isn't intended to debate the topic.
arkamw said:I would also submit that getting a better 3dmark score really doesn't do a whole lot of good unless it's backed up by true in-game framerates and app times. There are also those here who would say that even though the desktop might "feel" faster, it might also be placebo as there isn't really a good way to measure that type of response.
Cheers!
Tired of picking on Phoenix86 and GreNME?O[H]-Zone said:I guess you shouldn't tweak what you don't understand then. I have 18 services disabled, and everything's fine. Another guy on here had 25...still stable. Kinda makes you look bad...
chinoquezada said:Tired of picking on Phoenix86 and GreNME?
chinoquezada said:Do you have any proof to this supposed stability you claim?
chinoquezada said:What do you use the tweaked pc for?
chinoquezada said:18 only MS services or something else?
chinoquezada said:What services pray tell?
chinoquezada said:We agree, of course, that tweaking for speed is not worth it right?
O[H]-Zone said:I don't pick on anybody...I point out when someone posts bad information. Now you just came on here and admitted that you weren't smart enough to tweak your services correctly. Many other people have been able to, myself included. I would submit that this makes you a bad source of information.
1. I can't imagine what "proof of stability" is...how would one prove that?
2. I don't feel the slightest need to prove anything to a group of people I've proven wrong over and over.
3. Whatever proof I provide will simply be dismissed...no need to go down that road.
The bottom line here? My machine is dead stable, whether you believe me or not.
Games, video editing, web page design, making CD's and DVD's...lots of different stuff.
18 M$ services
I've listed the services I have disabled before; we don't need to go through that again.
Yeah, I'd have to say you're not going to get a whole lot from disabling services...if you're looking for more FPS in games, it's probably not going to make a huge difference. The biggest reason (IMHO) is for security. This link has an interview with some M$ guys. It includes this quote:
Q: In future releases will Microsoft disable services by default or expect the user to disble their own?
A; Windows Server 2003 already has most of it's services disabled by default. Reducing the attack surface.
So M$ felt this information was important enough to warrant a Technet article. It says that M$ feels that shutting off services "reduces the attack surface". THat means fewer ways of getting in. Better security.
Now I have some questions for you:
Why wouldn't I disable services? You say you had problems; Ok, which services did you shut off? Very few people on these forums have had problems shutting off services. GreNME mentioned a guy who couldn't defrag (talk about not doing research on which services to shut down!). And a few weeks ago, I saw one other guy. That's it...three people. GreNME predicted problems when installing SP2 when services were disabled.
It was a load of tripe; nobody had problems.
GreNME says disabling services will lead to instability.
It's a load of tripe, no instability here.
Phoenix86 and GreNME both said diabling services won't improve security.
This M$ technet article says that's tripe.
So, wrapping up everything we've learned:
Use sources you trust. I've proven GreNME and Phoenix86 wrong time and again, so I don't trust what they say. Neither should you.
Use common sense. Do you really want a service running on your machine that "enables remote users to modify registry settings on this computer"?
I don't want anyone modifying my registry remotely.
I don't need, use or want that service.
I suffer no negative results from shutting it down.
It's one less way for my machine to be owned.
Why on Earth woudn't I shut it down? Because GreNME and Phoenix86 say I shouldn't? After I've proven each of them wrong many times?
I can't believe this is even an issue.
Wow, thanks a lot for the intelligent discourse; your influx of ideas and thoughts on this matter can only widen the scope of discussion. I've provided links, personal observations and invoked common sense. You posted a rolleyes. Your mommy must be so proud!OldPueblo said:
When I disable a service, it is because there is no way I'd need it or use it.thedude42 said:how many people out there tweak their windows services for gamming or overall system performance? i've been messing around with some benchmarking and found some interesting results from a few different tests. anyone else play around with this?
SJConsultant said:There are times and places for disabling services, but in my eyes, its more for security reasons and not performance.
Fark_Maniac said:When I disable a service, it is because there is no way I'd need it or use it.
Fark_Maniac said:I'm probably alone here on this viewpoint.
Bender_Unit_22 said:
O[H]-Zone said:Wow, thanks a lot for the intelligent discourse; your influx of ideas and thoughts on this matter can only widen the scope of discussion. I've provided links, personal observations and invoked common sense. You posted a rolleyes. Your mommy must be so proud!
Hmmm...got anything to add about services, or is your wind-blowing complete? So far you've posted twice in this thread. Both times those posts were directed at me, and had nothing to do with services, the original subject of this thread. Don't like what I say? Don't read it...but I have as much right to post here as anyone...you included.OldPueblo said:All you've demonstrated time and time again is that the way you use your machine, the software you install, etc., has so far not caused side effects (as far as you can tell) with the computers under your influence. You are not the majority and most likely all your results will be the same because they all have a common factor. You. However everybody else is not you and doesn't have your software and useage patterns. Thats the reason for this thread. Note that others that have participated in the other threads about this were nice enough to either not post or post and keep it focused. So now that you have participated and put your two cents in, you are done and have no other reason to post in this thread right? After all, this isn't a debate thread.
I'm curious...do you have a small brown circle on your nose?chinoquezada said:damn dude. I wanna be just like you when i grow up...
Now seriously... Thats about the best explanation i've seen on how services work.
Take heed people, the truth has been spoken...
O[H]-Zone said:jamesrb:
Wow, I wouldn't even have thought of disabling DHCP client service...are you set up with a statip IP? Nvidia Display Driver Service either...what does that do? If it's disabled, it can't be "needed"...