Windows 8 Sales Hit 60M Since Launch

pelo said:
On the other hand, you have nothing but praise and all you post about is Windows :D
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Slight correction: he appears to have posted about something of a non-Windows 8 nature once, which means that only 99.7% of his posts are about Windows 8.
 
60M licenses seems quite healthy, but if MS was complaining about Win8 failing to hit internal targets, I guess not. :p

I wonder if they figured people would flock to it, Win95 style? The original Surface project was cool and all, but I don't see how forcing a tablet interface on PCs, most of which lack touch screens, was going to reel 'em in. lol
 
pelo said:
Settle down, heatless alt.
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Wait a minute, you're trying to act like your an adult while calling me names? That's your idea of maturity?
pelo said:
I'm not the one with an endeavor here.
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That's rich. You seem to be hell bent on slamming Windows 8 every chance you get. It's OK for you to have a point of view but not me?
pelo said:
Unlike your posts, mine vary from "Windows 8 is a god damn mess (desktop Metro)" to "I actually like WP8 and Metro is quite nice on a smartphone." And those are just my Windows posts. On the other hand, you have nothing but praise and all you post about is Windows :D
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I'm not stalker enough to read your post history to know what other interests you have. I'll freely admit that I tend to post on Windows 8. I like Windows 8. So sue me. Real life doesn't give me the leisure to post frequently so I have to limit my posts. I try to respond to what people say. You try to shout people down and prevent folks like me from having our say.

You say, "Windows 8 is a god damn mess" while I say, "for me it works fine" and now you act like I'm the one being unreasonable?

I'll ask again, do you even use Windows 8?
 
MikeTrike said:
^This

Windows 8 is neither good or bad, things usually aren't black and white like that. What Windows 8 really is, would be both good and bad. :)
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Actually, what he said was "Windows 8 is a god damn mess."

For what it's worth, I agree with you. I think Windows 8 has both good and bad. I personally think the good far outweighs the bad. However, the rabid H8ers in this board use every flaw, however trivial, as a basis to say the entire OS is garbage.
 
wonderfield said:
Slight correction: he appears to have posted about something of a non-Windows 8 nature once, which means that only 99.7% of his posts are about Windows 8.
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Oh, come on wonderfield. I thought better of you than that. Surely you know that ad hominem attacks are fallacious reasoning?
 
It was a correction to a factual inaccuracy, not an an ad hominem attack.

I get that's what I get for doing favors.
 
Funny how he omitted the (desktop Metro) portion... It does make you wonder if he's got an agenda here :cool:
 
pelo said:
Funny how he omitted the (desktop Metro) portion... It does make you wonder if he's got an agenda here :cool:
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When you work at the Microsoft store in the mall, there's going to be some down time. Maybe a whole lot of downtime. Enough downtime to post on forums all day playing games with multiple accounts.

I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt for a long time and Microsoft certainly needs its advocates at a time as polarizing as they've managed to make this, but he's wearing everyone's patience real thin and i say this with love but the act has gotten a little stale.
 
wonderfield said:
It was a correction to a factual inaccuracy, not an an ad hominem attack.

I get that's what I get for doing favors.
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Bullshit. You jumped in just at that moment to score a point against me. You know it. I know it. Everyone who reads your post knows it. When I call you on it rather than standing up for your actions you try to weasel out of it.

You might be surprised to know that I actually have quite a bit of respect for your opinions. As a rule your posts are intelligent and on topic. However, your whole M.O. is to act like a heckler sitting safely in the balcony while others down on the ground floor actually carry on the debate and take their lumps while doing so. You never get dirty. No one ever bloodies your nose. You just throw the occasional bottle at the side you disagree with. And that's a shame, because I for one think you could make one hell of a contribution if you ever came down from the balcony and fully joined your side in the fight.
 
Oh dear, the vultures are gathering. Like a pack of twelve year old girls confronted by someone whose opinion differs from theirs, they want to gossip about someone (ostentatiously in that person's presence) rather than answer the points that person makes. Real life calls so I've got to go for a while now, so I'll leave you little "tweener-wannabees" to cackle over your "victory" in shutting me up for a few hours.

By the way Pelo, you still haven't told us if you actually use Windows 8 or not.
 
Eman D. Rahym said:
Bullshit. You jumped in just at that moment to score a point against me. You know it. I know it. Everyone who reads your post knows it. When I call you on it rather than standing up for your actions you try to weasel out of it.

You might be surprised to know that I actually have quite a bit of respect for your opinions. As a rule your posts are intelligent and on topic. However, your whole M.O. is to act like a heckler sitting safely in the balcony while others down on the ground floor actually carry on the debate and take their lumps while doing so. You never get dirty. No one ever bloodies your nose. You just throw the occasional bottle at the side you disagree with. And that's a shame, because I for one think you could make one hell of a contribution if you ever came down from the balcony and fully joined your side in the fight.
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Perhaps some of us think the fact that it is a fight is what makes the entire thing pathetic. I am aware that some of us have been casually lumped as win8 haters because it is convenient. That doesn't make it true though. Some of us are able to see the good and bad and simply want choice. For inexplicable reasons certain die hard's seem to feel that wanting choice is a completely unreasonable stance.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Perhaps some of us think the fact that it is a fight is what makes the entire thing pathetic. I am aware that some of us have been casually lumped as win8 haters because it is convenient. That doesn't make it true though. Some of us are able to see the good and bad and simply want choice. For inexplicable reasons certain die hard's seem to feel that wanting choice is a completely unreasonable stance.
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IMHO it's not so much an objection to choice as it is a tendency to attack anyone who does not fawn glowingly over every aspect of Win8. :p
 
Red Falcon said:
Because you are the only one to judge how much experience is required for Windows 8 before one can judge it. :p
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Uh oh, you're going to get called a coward again by Emanlesssun if you're not careful. We all know you don't have the necessary 20 years of childhood experience playing computer games on Windows or the 10+ tablets that you review on YouTube in an attempt to become a respected person (while hiding your reflection on the screens) necessary to have an unquestionable opinion about tablet computers today.
 
SkribbelKat said:
Uh oh, you're going to get called a coward again by Emanlesssun if you're not careful. We all know you don't have the necessary 20 years of childhood experience playing computer games on Windows or the 10+ tablets that you review on YouTube in an attempt to become a respected person (while hiding your reflection on the screens) necessary to have an unquestionable opinion about tablet computers today.
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$100 says he's actually Steve Ballmer.
 
Red Falcon said:
Because you are the only one to judge how much experience is required for Windows 8 before one can judge it. :p
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It's a trap! Don't fall for it!

If you love Win8 and METRO after 30 seconds you are imminently qualified.

If you dislike any part of Win8 you'll never evar spend enough time on it to be qualified to have an opinion.

Catch-22.. :p
 
Troll white and the 7 dweebs here as well in a windows 8 thread, who would have guessed. :D
 
The sad thing is most of the Metro backlash is not by any secret conspiracy of iHipsters or Fandroids taking to the net to bash Microsoft just for the sake of bashing it like some nerdy war of psychological contentment that means more than two craps at the end of the day, but by the most longtime of Windows users - and DOS before that - that simply expected more out of MS.

That's the whole reason a lot of us are still on Windows to begin with, instead of something with a fruit logo. Specifically because the kind of blind, almost scientology-like allegiance to a company or institution is exactly what rubs us the wrong way about those other companies.

So when that kind of blind allegiance is suddenly expected of this group or else theyre "resistant to change" and "holding it wrong", people are going to get a little bent out of shape. There's a longer view, there's a bigger picture and MS think they have one in mind but its the wrong one or at least theyre going about it in the wrong order. Every PC, server and VM in my house (23 total) run Windows yet I fully believe Ballmer should've been fired ages ago. I agree with Forbes assertion he was rated #1 on the list of CEO's that still haven't been fired. 2000-2010 is widely considered "The lost decade" among MS shareholders and its been a further 20% decline in the years since then. All the various teams that make up MS are little more than the band continuing to play on the titanic on its way down until they get rid of him.

“The spirit of resistance to [Microsoft] is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all. I like a little rebellion now and then.” --Thomas Jefferson
 
odditory said:
The sad thing is most of the Metro backlash is not by any secret conspiracy of iHipsters or Fandroids taking to the net to bash Microsoft just for the sake of bashing it like some nerdy war of psychological contentment that means more than two craps at the end of the day, but by the most longtime of Windows users - and DOS before that - that simply expected more out of MS.
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I can run all of the same desktop applications in Windows 8 as I did in Windows 7. They work with non-touch devices and keyboards and mice just as they always have. However Windows 8 now works much better on tablets and with touch. There's really no major differences between 7 and 8 on the desktop where most people spend their time which is inside of applications. There's huge differences between then two with tablet apps.

odditory said:
So when that kind of blind allegiance is suddenly expected of this group or else theyre "resistant to change" and "holding it wrong", people are going to get a little bent out of shape.
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But this is part of it and perhaps the reason there should have been some type of Metro off switch of something. Some just want the same thing that they've seen for years and years because that's what's comfortable to them. They see no use in touch or Tablets are think that desktops and tablets are too different to be integrated into a single OS.
 
heatlesssun said:
I can run all of the same desktop applications in Windows 8 as I did in Windows 7. They work with non-touch devices and keyboards and mice just as they always have. However Windows 8 now works much better on tablets and with touch. There's really no major differences between 7 and 8 on the desktop where most people spend their time which is inside of applications. There's huge differences between then two with tablet apps.



But this is part of it and perhaps the reason there should have been some type of Metro off switch of something. Some just want the same thing that they've seen for years and years because that's what's comfortable to them. They see no use in touch or Tablets are think that desktops and tablets are too different to be integrated into a single OS.
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Wow I think you finally get it. Or Maybe your being condescending. Yes the on off switch would be great it wouldn't have hurt anything except MS huge goal to lock people into the stupid app store. Which I see absolutely no one adopting anyway.
 
Wrench00 said:
Wow I think you finally get it. Or Maybe your being condescending. Yes the on off switch would be great it wouldn't have hurt anything except MS huge goal to lock people into the stupid app store. Which I see absolutely no one adopting anyway.
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There's nothing I've said here that I haven't said before. As for a Metro off switch, it would probably slow down the progress of Windows 8 on tablets. For all of the lock in you talk about there aren't too many tablet and touch friendly desktop apps and they are technically possible. If all one cares about is desktop and keyboard and mouse operation in Windows I get it, you probably don't see much value in Metro.

But it's hard not to see more and more Windows users care about Metro if the hardware coming out of CES is what is on they way.
 
heatlesssun said:
But this is part of it and perhaps the reason there should have been some type of Metro off switch of something. Some just want the same thing that they've seen for years and years because that's what's comfortable to them. They see no use in touch or Tablets are think that desktops and tablets are too different to be integrated into a single OS.
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This is the primary reason I don't like this OS, aside from the girly/hipster color scheme.
I don't understand why Microsoft couldn't give us the option, and instead locked us in to tons of "features" that we don't like/need.

This is why Linux (non-Unity GUIs) and Windows 7 are so good, and even OS X to a lesser extent.
It's because one has the ability to change the GUI to what works for them.

They aren't hard-locked into using annoying crap.
At least Start8 exists, mainly because it wasn't made by Microsoft.
 
heatlesssun said:
There's nothing I've said here that I haven't said before. As for a Metro off switch, it would probably slow down the progress of Windows 8 on tablets. For all of the lock in you talk about there aren't too many tablet and touch friendly desktop apps and they are technically possible. If all one cares about is desktop and keyboard and mouse operation in Windows I get it, you probably don't see much value in Metro.

But it's hard not to see more and more Windows users care about Metro if the hardware coming out of CES is what is on they way.
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At this point, it has nothing to do with the touch screen or keyboard/mouse.
It has to do with user freedom and choices.

Yes, the on/off switch for the Modern UI would have been nice.
Even though the back-end of Win 8 is much improved over Win 7, the shitty GUI is what's killing Win 8 and certainly isn't going to save it on the tablet front.


And yes, we get it, you can use all of your programs that worked in Windows 7 on Windows 8.
Please don't mention this any more, that doesn't matter to anyone on here.

My gosh, at least Microsoft decided to add some *gasp* backwards compatibility with their new OS. :rolleyes:
I'm not ripping on you, just letting you know that pointing that "feature" out again and again is getting kind of redundant.
 
Red Falcon said:
At this point, it has nothing to do with the touch screen or keyboard/mouse.
It has to do with user freedom and choices.
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So having the freedom and choice between different form factors and input methods has nothing to do freedom and choice?

Red Falcon said:
And yes, we get it, you can use all of your programs that worked in Windows 7 on Windows 8.
Please don't mention this any more, that doesn't matter to anyone on here.
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So backwards compatibility in Windows 8 means nothing to anyone except me?

Red Falcon said:
My gosh, at least Microsoft decided to add some *gasp* backwards compatibility with their new OS. :rolleyes:
I'm not ripping on you, just letting you know that pointing that "feature" out again and again is getting kind of redundant.
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Generic Windows 8 sux or Metro sux statements are plenty redundant as well.
 
heatlesssun said:
So having the freedom and choice between different form factors and input methods has nothing to do freedom and choice?
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I meant freedom and choice for the GUI, as in, being able to alter it.

So backwards compatibility in Windows 8 means nothing to anyone except me?
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Apparently, because you keep going on and on and on and on about it.
We know, we get it, enough.

Generic Windows 8 sux or Metro sux statements are plenty redundant as well.
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I love how you cherry-picked pieces of my statements out of context to make your claim to "they're hating on Win 8" without actually discussing anything.
These weren't generic "sux" statements, I made some legitimate points, and you totally ignored them and just focused on the "hate" portion completely out of context without actually discussing anything I brought up.

This is why people are sick of you, your posts, and your one-track mindset that refuses to listen to anyone else on here.

Even when we try to discuss Win 8 with you, you dismiss us, ignore us, and rag on us.
Then, you turn right around and say "we're hating on you", even though your MS-cultist ass totally has it coming for treating us all like dirt. :rolleyes:

Your hypocrisy and lunacy is laughable at this point.
 
heatlesssun said:
As for a Metro off switch, it would probably slow down the progress of Windows 8 on tablets.
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This is where Microsoft is delusional. Sinofsky convinced Ballmer that throwing Metro horseblinders on their large installed base of desktop PC's would mean these people would line up to get Metro tablets and smartphones when those purchasing decisions came, because of some perceived synergistic effect that it turns out everyone is ignoring. So a Metro lock on the PC is gaining them nothing because there is no WIN8 tablet progress. And in 6 months from now there will be none, that needle will not move. Not because I dont think MS deserves to succeed, but because of market realities and MS not understanding it.

For all of Apple's walled garden arrogance even they weren't short sighted enough to make a new version of OSX that suddenly booted into a schizofrenic iOS grid of icons app like "hey even though you dont have a touch laptop or desktop display too bad we're unifying our platform because iPads are the future and stuff". Touch for vertical displays is a gimmick and will meet the same fate as 3DTV. Jobs himself said the ergonomics aren't there for anything but horizontal touch displays.
 
Red Falcon said:
Apparently, because you keep going on and on and on and on about it.
We know, we get it, enough.
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Well apparently some think that Windows 8 is some radically different OS on the desktop and that the GUI is horrible that many people complaining about it don't even use. We know, we get that as well enough.

Red Falcon said:
I love how you cherry-picked pieces of my statements out of context to make your claim to "they're hating on Win 8" without actually discussing anything.
These weren't generic "sux" statements, I made some legitimate points, and you totally ignored them and just focused on the "hate" portion completely out of context without actually discussing anything I brought up.
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I never said that you haven't made specific points but there's plenty of generic "Windows 8 sux" in these threads.

Red Falcon said:
This is why people are sick of you, your posts, and your one-track mindset that refuses to listen to anyone else on here.

Even when we try to discuss Win 8 with you, you dismiss us, ignore us, and rag on us.
Then, you turn right around and say "we're hating on you", even though your MS-cultist ass totally has it coming for treating us all like dirt. :rolleyes:

Your hypocrisy and lunacy is laughable at this point.
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Personal attack stuff, ignored.
 
odditory said:
This is where Microsoft is delusional. Sinofsky convinced Ballmer that throwing Metro horseblinders on their large installed base of desktop PC's would mean these people would line up to get Metro tablets and smartphones when those purchasing decisions came, because of some perceived synergistic effect that it turns out everyone is ignoring.
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The question is what will PCs look like in the coming years. The idea is that touch will be part of most PCs in the coming years. If the idea behind Windows 8 was to target machines from 3 years ago then it's not the right design.

odditory said:
So a Metro lock on the PC is gaining them nothing because there is no WIN8 tablet progress.
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No Windows 8 tablet progress? There are actually touch first applications for Windows for the first time. And weren't there like more Windows tablets announced at CES than have ever been announced for Windows?

odditory said:
And in 6 months from now there will be none, that needle will not move. Not because I dont think MS deserves to succeed, but because of market realities and MS not understanding it.
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There's going to be a lot more hardware on the market in six months than now. Perhaps you're correct but market you're talking about is changing rapidly.

odditory said:
For all of Apple's walled garden arrogance even they weren't short sighted enough to make a new version of OSX that suddenly booted into a schizofrenic iOS grid of icons app like "hey even though you dont have a touch laptop or desktop display too bad we're unifying our platform because iPads are the future and stuff". Touch for vertical displays is a gimmick and will meet the same fate as 3DTV. Jobs himself said the ergonomics aren't there for anything but horizontal touch displays.
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OS X isn't a market dominant product like Windows. Apple leveraged the iPhone, it's market dominant product for its tablet strategy and Microsoft is leveraging Windows for it's tablet platform. The Apple approach is much more straightforward and simpler but Microsoft is behind and it's desktop dominance isn't in danger from OS X or Linux, but from iOS and Android. As for touch on vertical displays being a gimmick, perhaps. But that's becoming a smaller and smaller part of the market that's buying more and more mobile devices.
 
I even agree with heatless to an extent on this one but still can't stand to read his posts. Discussing anything Windows related with him is simply impossible. You're automatically wrong no matter what unless you agree 100% with him and he makes sure you know it in the most arrogant way possible.
 
Disposed said:
I even agree with heatless to an extent on this one but still can't stand to read his posts. Discussing anything Windows related with him is simply impossible. You're automatically wrong no matter what unless you agree 100% with him and he makes sure you know it in the most arrogant way possible.
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I've agreed with plenty of points that people that don't like Windows 8 make. I've said plenty of times that if one is using Windows 8 with only keyboards and mice that I can see why they wouldn't like Metro.

But it's pretty obvious that a lot of people that don't like Windows 8 aren't using it or haven't use it that much and why should they, they don't like it.
 
heatlesssun said:
I've agreed with plenty of points that people that don't like Windows 8 make. I've said plenty of times that if one is using Windows 8 with only keyboards and mice that I can see why they wouldn't like Metro.

But it's pretty obvious that a lot of people that don't like Windows 8 aren't using it or haven't use it that much and why should they, they don't like it.
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Why do you care so much? If they want to hate it based on ignorance let them. It's one thing to have a discussion about it its another to drag it out and beat the discussion to death.

It's like you take it personal and just won't quit until everyone agrees with you. Let it go.
 
heatlesssun said:
I've agreed with plenty of points that people that don't like Windows 8 make. I've said plenty of times that if one is using Windows 8 with only keyboards and mice that I can see why they wouldn't like Metro.

But it's pretty obvious that a lot of people that don't like Windows 8 aren't using it or haven't use it that much and why should they, they don't like it.
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1 + 1 = 2

Win8 and its Metro approach makes sense for only a tiny bit of the market, and without the option to disable it and its annoyances it in turn gives the vast majority a less than ideal experience.
 
I think the lack of choice is what pisses off most people here. It's not just that it's not suited for certain environments. It's that there is no administrative option to control it. I mean for fucks sake you can customize the shit out of the Start Menu via GP on previous versions of Windows. Why would they not give you that type of administrative control under the hood to revive the Start Menu and disable Modern UI where necessary?
 
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