Unknown-One
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Why are you missing it? Windows 8 has the Games folder still...I'm also missing having a "games" folder that all games go into.
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Why are you missing it? Windows 8 has the Games folder still...I'm also missing having a "games" folder that all games go into.
Why is it so hard to believe that your personal opinion of Windows 8 is not representative of the rest of the world? I'd say I'm an experienced user of Windows and I like Windows 8, so I'm a living refutation of your beliefs.Why is it so hard to believe that someone can use Windows 8 and not like it? Why do people always claim 'you didn't try it' or 'you didn't give it enough time' or 'you hate change' as if it was such a wonderful OS that anyone who used it must fall in love with it?
I've been using Win 8 since it was first revealed, through all the releases, and it has a number of serious issues which have been well documented. Experienced/power users will hate it, and so will new inexperienced users. The only group it appeals to is people with enough computer skills and little familiarity with Windows, if they happen to like the new UI.
Why is it so hard to believe that someone can use Windows 8 and not like it? Why do people always claim 'you didn't try it' or 'you didn't give it enough time' or 'you hate change' as if it was such a wonderful OS that anyone who used it must fall in love with it?
I've been using Win 8 since it was first revealed, through all the releases, and it has a number of serious issues which have been well documented. Experienced/power users will hate it, and so will new inexperienced users. The only group it appeals to is people with enough computer skills and little familiarity with Windows, if they happen to like the new UI.
I've been using Win 8 since it was first revealed, through all the releases, and it has a number of serious issues which have been well documented. Experienced/power users will hate it, and so will new inexperienced users. The only group it appeals to is people with enough computer skills and little familiarity with Windows, if they happen to like the new UI.
I see what I was missing. Clicking Search on the Charm bar and moving right is almost exactly the same as clicking the Start Menu and clicking All Programs, down to the groups matching the folders. I am not used to going to the Charm bar or associating old Start - All Programs with Charm bar - Search.But these things are in All Programs in the App Screen. I guess all I was thinking is that for most of the people that are complaining about Windows 8 here are I figured advanced users. If they are so adverse to the Start Screen I just imagined they would know how to run desktop apps from File Explorer as that's been in Windows forever. All the Start Menu really was a thin wrapper around the file system with some hard coded favorites and a search box. All of it is in File Explorer I think except Jump Lists.
I do agree that many of the changes probably work better on a tablet. So why put them on the desktop? And the idea is of course is that more and more people will be using tablets, hybrids and touch screen devices moving forward. So while an option to disable the Modern UI would placate some today it would be an option to keep Windows solely desktop and that's just not where the computing market it going.
Why is it so hard to believe that your personal opinion of Windows 8 is not representative of the rest of the world? I'd say I'm an experienced user of Windows and I like Windows 8, so I'm a living refutation of your beliefs.
I'm not saying Windows 8 is perfect, far from it. But I will say that the vast majority of complaints that I've seen about it seem to be churlish whining from folks who simply want to keep on using Windows 7. That's fine. Keep on using Windows 7.
I don't think any one who enjoys Windows 8 has bothered to troll a Windows 7 thread, but the folks who prefer Windows 7 sure seem to flock to the Windows 8 threads to thread crap. Now you may not be trolling these threads, but many are. Just don't take it personally when the Windows 8 supporters fire back at the Windows 8 haters.
Why does it have to be one or the other? Disabling Modern UI on non-touch doesn't mean it can't be used on a touch device. You keep repeating this and I don't understand what you are trying to say.
In fact Windows can very easily tailor the UI for most effective use based on the device.
What you're saying is because tablets are a growing market everyone should pay the price of a less efficient UI which is tailored for touch. 'one UI fits all' is a terrible idea no matter how hard Microsoft tries to force it down users throats.
My personal opinion doesn't matter, and in fact I use Windows 8. The issues are objective - its less efficient for many tasks - relying on mouse gestures to simulate touch, right click in Modern UI showing up as a app bar at the bottom instead of at the mouse cursor, users needing to learn and navigate 2 different interfaces, task switchers, settings panels, inconsistent behavior etc. These are facts, not opinions.
I agree there can be the usual irrational hate and MS bashing, but significantly, this is the first OS from MS I can recall that many diehard Windows fans and supporters are vocal about - not because they hate it or won't use it, but because MS has refused to justify the changes and have targeted touch devices only.
Have you not seen PC OEM after PC OEM report negative PC sales growth?
Windows 8 is a hybrid. It's always a tablet and a desktop, not either or. The refrigerator that most people have in their homes is also a freezer and always a freezer. When you want to refrigerate something you put it the refrigerator compartment and if
want to freeze something you put it in the freezer. The average refrigerator is a hybrid device that always serves both purposes simultaneously side-by-side and items are refrigerated or frozen based on which compartment the item is placed.
This is how Windows 8 works. Side-by-side operation of the desktop and the Modern UI and you use the UI you want to based on what type of app it is.
So what exactly does a power user need that's not there? Yes there might be an extra click to do some things
How would you have kept Windows solely a desktop OS and competed against tablets and the mobile explosion?
You answered your question. You can measure how much windows 8 metro sucks in terms of increased mouse clicks and mouse travel. Power users are not interested in downgrading to a worse interface.
I don't know and I haven't claimed to. What I do know is that no one has ever proven that TV, desktop, laptop, tablet, and phone hardware interfaces can all succeed using the same software interface. So the odds are stacked against Microsoft right now.
What's an easy way to access system utilities from the desktop? Such as calculator, defrag, etc. Without using run or searching/digging them up from the Windows directory.. Is there no more a central location of tools collections?
Why is it so hard to believe that someone can use Windows 8 and not like it? Why do people always claim 'you didn't try it' or 'you didn't give it enough time' or 'you hate change' as if it was such a wonderful OS that anyone who used it must fall in love with it?
That's a poor analogy as both the freezer and fridge have the same 'interface'; namely you open the door, put food in, then shut it and the task expected is performed.
No matter which function you wish to use (freezing or chilling food), the process to do so is the same.
Unless of course you have a fridge freezer where the fridge works completely as normal, but the freezer has no handle and instead requires you to randomly drag your hands all over the blank door panel looking for 'hotspots' before it opens. In which case, I take it back.
You answered your question. You can measure how much windows 8 metro sucks in terms of increased mouse clicks and mouse travel. Power users are not interested in downgrading to a worse interface.
I don't know and I haven't claimed to. What I do know is that no one has ever proven that TV, desktop, laptop, tablet, and phone hardware interfaces can all succeed using the same software interface. So the odds are stacked against Microsoft right now.
Wait a sec, I thought the criticism of Windows 8 here was because it DID have the same interface across the desktop and tablet? Sure, they are operated a bit differently, corners replace sides, closing an app is actually kind of the same touch or mouse, drag and drop.
But the UI is the same.
A better analogy would be to imagine a car, a bicycle and a bulldozer having the same controls.
A better analogy would be to imagine a car, a bicycle and a bulldozer having the same controls.
Does anyone know if the final version will have more continuity between these two items?
No.Does anyone know if the final version will have more continuity between these two items?
Not exactly sure what you mean. The desktop aesthetics are now flatter with the removal of Aero transparency. Desktop icon tiles take on the color of the theme with the icon in the center. The text on the icons is smaller now to fit more in.
Aero in 8 has transparency, this I can assure you. It doesn't have the round, organic edges with a glossy finish like it did in Vista & 7.
Yes, there is transparency, and the same engine it still there, it is less transparent and there's no setting to turn it on or off.
I'm waiting for Stardock to release a Windows 8 compatible Windowblinds. That's one way that people can get the exact appearance they want since MS decided to exclude customization options.
Used to be a pretty big user of Windowblinds but as I've gotten older I get this whole less is more thing. I just don't care about lots of superfluous ornamentation. Performance and stability. Give me that in droves and I'm happy.
More like something with the comfort of a car, the fuel efficiency of a bicycle, and the ability to kick ass of a bulldozer, imo. Next you're going to call it 'byrd' then I'm going to call it 'johnson' I take it.
The brainwashing is complete i see. How does it feel to be a mindless drone? Ho wait, that precludes any possibility of self-realization, by definition.
BTW, i think that at this point something needs to be mentioned here that is rarely talked about. That is, the fact that Metro is absolutely dreadful not just because a desktop PC doesn't need a tablet interface, but that it is crap even by touchscreen standards. See, both iOS and Android would actually be far more functional as a desktop interface then Metro, seeing as the latter is build entirely to resemble a web interface as much as possible. I wouldn't be caught dead using such a thing on my phone. To have it on a PC is just plain absurd.
You wouldn't be seeing "proof" even if it was slammed in your face with a brick.
I'm wouldn't bother trying to convince your type, i'm writing for the benefit of those who can actually see it the way it is and are not blinded by hype.
You wouldn't be seeing "proof" even if it was slammed in your face with a brick.
I'm wouldn't bother trying to convince your type, i'm writing for the benefit of those who can actually see it the way it is and are not blinded by hype.
BTW, i think that at this point something needs to be mentioned here that is rarely talked about. That is, the fact that Metro is absolutely dreadful not just because a desktop PC doesn't need a tablet interface, but that it is crap even by touchscreen standards. See, both iOS and Android would actually be far more functional as a desktop interface then Metro, seeing as the latter is build entirely to resemble a web interface as much as possible. I wouldn't be caught dead using such a thing on my phone. To have it on a PC is just plain absurd.
You wouldn't be seeing "proof" even if it was slammed in your face with a brick.
I'm wouldn't bother trying to convince your type, i'm writing for the benefit of those who can actually see it the way it is and are not blinded by hype.
See, both iOS and Android would actually be far more functional as a desktop interface then Metro, seeing as the latter is build entirely to resemble a web interface as much as possible. I wouldn't be caught dead using such a thing on my phone. To have it on a PC is just plain absurd.
You know, this is kind of silly sounding considering that the #1 thing people use even on keyboard and mouse driven PCs are web browsers full of web interfaces. We're using one know to post these messages.