Windows 7 Is One Obstinate OS

Shotglass01

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So, what do you predict will be broken this time because, I have 3 computers with the latest insider builds, all working well, even with hardware swapping and upgrading. (Had to use another key to activate on a new board that I bought but, that is to be expected.)

It's not happened to you thus it's never happened to anyone else evar? :rolleyes:
 

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with the nightmare experiences win10 is putting some folks through, I can't blame them for wanting win7 back. I've had to repair my dad's win10 home pc more times in the last 6 months than I ever did for the entire run of win8. luckily my mom was smart and never budged from win7....
 

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Meh, i would.
My current installation w7 has been running since inception, converting to ssd was a great upgrade for speed (remarkable really) . But the system is old. Would agree do disagree I guess . 'modern UI' is something I use on a daily basis, have yet to love it, have yet to see greatness.. I TOLERATE it just about. W10 did is better than 8, for sure. I will have to build a new pc soon enough (big one, I run w10 in a little box)

It's only tolerable to me because of Classic Shell (now Open Shell). About a month after installing Windows 10 I finally started dual booting with Linux on my main machine. Now, Linux is used for my normal computing/programming needs and Win 10 is used for gaming and the occasional Photoshop session. In regards to updates, I've had way less issues with my Linux install than I've had with my Windows 10 install.
 

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That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. It doesn't matter how good firewalls, behavioral practiced or any other controls you have if your OS has known unpatched exploits.

This is why we can't have nice things.
Really? It doesn't matter how patched your OS is, when no patch can protect you from 0 day or often several weeks/months security holes. There are several layers of security before and after the OS that are more important. Not once was I ever saved by a patched OS.

Oh, and Win 10 is a very nice thing indeed. It's so nice people go to unprecedented lengths not to have its niceness.
 

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Windows 10 would probably gain a larger market share if Microsoft would release higher quality updates which don't bork systems or cause issues with existing software. Due diligence doesn't seem to be part of their SoP as of late.
A telemetry off switch, and proper control over updates would be a start. They've had their heals dug in hoping that it would eventually blow ever -- well it's approaching 4 years since release and it's not blowing over.

Ideal would also be a security-updates-only option that ignores all the bloatware - sorry I don't care about a "critical candy crush update".

And a PC should never, ever just reboot in the middle of working with programs open.
 
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So, what do you predict will be broken this time because, I have 3 computers with the latest insider builds, all working well, even with hardware swapping and upgrading. (Had to use another key to activate on a new board that I bought but, that is to be expected.)

The issues with windows updates are legion, duckduckgo. I defer out as long as possible, worked out pretty well with 1809. You don't have to use condoms either, rather be safe than sorry.
 

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Ive been using Windows 10 on my Ryzen PCs since May last year, I was using Win 10 since release on my older machines as well.
I have not had any of these issues. So long as you defer updates for a week or 2 from release you should avoid most of the perils seen with the updates lately.
Windows 10 on my Ryzen has been more stable than any system I have used in the last 10 years. Only Windows 2000 provided me more stability.
 

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I don't love Windows 10 but have not had any customers back pedal to 7 with EOL soon approaching. Infact many of our customers are regretting downgrading to 7 for so long and now having to upgrade or replace a bunch of relatively new PCs.

No company in their right mind is going to continue running 7 past EOL. You can debate the ability to keep it secure via firewalls, policies, anti-virus, etc. all day, but its not worth the chance of looking totally inept in the off chance your company is breached. The last thing I want is my name attached to the audit that says, "IT guy thought he knew best and insisted on running old, unsupported operating systems, past their EOL."

If I worked for a company whose management was ordering the use of 7 past EOL I would be sure to have excessive documentation showing I did everything in my power to tell them it was an awful idea.
 
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So I work as a tech at a IT shop that also does fix it work and I have to say I just don't get the hate on windows 10. Do updates fail? Yes they do and I'll be the first to admit that it's 10's biggest Achilles' heel. That being said in my experience over 50% of the failed updates are due to one of either malware or poor/failing hard drives. That being said recovery and restore options, especially for average users, are easier on 10.

To me it comes down to this: 10 is a modern OS with the modern problems of security and privacy concerns. To me it would seem easier to cut back on the privacy concerns in 10 than stay with 7 casing a real degradation in security over time plus extra maintenance and hassle in manually patching each new exploit.

To each their own though, still have 7 on one system around the house myself. Just seems like a lot of people do get set in their ways.
 

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I agree with the criticisms of Win10. Microsoft did a lot of stuff I hate with it.

That said, I hope these people aren't foolish enough to keep using Win7 past it's EOL date on January 14th next year.

Once an OS no longer receives regular security updates it needs to be permanentely removed from any network.
Psst: you don't want to look, but there are quite a few XP machines still running.

If no appropriate software workaround exists that can make a specific servers worload secure, then certainly it should come down..
You know, that is currently all machines with intel CPUs, right?
 

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All over again.
 

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I bet that most of these computers running Windows 7 are business offices.
 

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Ok I have a Windows 7 PC that I built and a Win 10 Laptop that I inherited, 7 I know how to do whatever, the laptop so far I've only changed the name of the Laptop, maybe it's all those icons that look like Win 8 holdovers, My cat has more experience with 10, by chewing on the power supply cord a bit, I've had to hide that psu cord until I can get another one. Win 10 as long as the users were not used as guinea pigs would have been good, but no it seems the users are unpaid alpha testers, I'd rather see Win 7 Pro x64 improved and not abandoned considering all the work MS put into the OS, it may not be perfect, but Win7 does work and obviously people like it better than 10, over at Seti@Home there is a thread on Win 10 at first people were all for it, then came the bricking, then people stopped using 10 as anything besides an experimental OS, soon I expect people can and will erase Win10 and go back to Win7 or they will go to Linux, even I know how to do Linux, but then I predate Windows itself and have used many OS's since 1980.
 

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I have to maintain an NT 4 server for a minimum of another year, Accounting can't get their heads out of their asses and sign off on its replacement. The department head doesn't want to upgrade but everybody else does, she retires in 4 months, the day she goes the replacement begins, we expect it to take at least 8 months to transfer and validate the new system..... It will be so beautiful.
Darn so you actually have to still use it in a work environment? The computer I saw running 95 only had one function which was to run a warehouse rack system program, that's it no internet access or anything.
 

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I must be the sole person on the planet that hasn't had (knocks on wood) too many technical issues with 10 (currently on 1809). Then again, I'm not using an old HP or Dell corporate drone desktop PC.

Do I love 10? Not really. But I like current drivers and to stay current in general so I deal with it. And all the "spyware as people call it" can be turned off. But I totally understand people with legacy devices/needs to stay on 7.

And anyone worrying about win 7 key activation (as I once was) there are plenty of places to get keys affordably (hint hint) that activate just fine thank you. Obviously not for corporate use.

I don't love 10, but it's the world we live in, so I deal with it. Not saying every MS operating system is gold, I avoided 8.x as much as possible. But where I couldn't I found workarounds (classicshell, etc)
 

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I can recall when the same was said for Windows XP that is being said here about Windows 7
 
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Meh, I still have customers with WinXP, 95, DOS, you name it. Most of it is for manufacturing equipment that is hundreds of millions to replace. At least once a month I see an old C2D laptop or desktop with XP on it that has bad caps or a bad hdd that the customer wants repaired. We don't fix them, but they sure want it done because they don't want Windows Vista or 7......
 
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I can recall when the same was said for Windows XP that is being said here about Windows 7

and I rode the Windows XP train until it fell off the tracks. I then, rebuilt the tracks, put it back on the tracks and rode it some more. I think I finally switched to Win7 around 2012 or late 2011. It was about a year after the SP1 was released for Win7 IIRC.
 

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I must be the sole person on the planet that hasn't had (knocks on wood) too many technical issues with 10 (currently on 1809). Then again, I'm not using an old HP or Dell corporate drone desktop PC.
Aside from Windows updates breaking Windows, Win 10 works very well. But then again, so did Windows 8. Many people just hate change.
 

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Aside from Windows updates breaking Windows, Win 10 works very well. But then again, so did Windows 8. Many people just hate change.

I'd say many people hate change when it's just for change's sake and doesn't improve anything. And in Windows 10's case, change that made many things worse - things that were working fine before.

MS took a legacy OS with decades of spaghetti code and tried to get it on "agile development" because it was trendy and software companies writing modern code were using it. But Windows isn't modern, so agile helped turn Windows quality of changes and updates to shit.

But MS proponents will insist Windows needed to be on agile development anyway - no. The customer doesn't care how its made. The customer only cares about the end product. If you go to your favorite pizza place and suddenly one day your favorite pizza tastes like garbage, and you ask what changed, and they say 'Yeah the taste might be different but you see we're using this new agile pizza process". MS is basically telling customers "just get used to the awful new taste".
 
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^^^ So much this.

An OS is a freaking tool, not a consumable item. Or a farkin' fashion statement. Win7 may be an obstinate OS, but Win7 users are more so.

Oh...and... get off my SSD!
 

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I don't like Windows 10 very much but I can at least see the writing on the wall. Microsoft doesn't want people on Windows 7 and is doing what they can to switch people to 10. Even if I wanted to hold out and use 7, I couldn't anyways since almost all of my hardware has no drivers for Windows 7. So I guess you could just hold on to your old computer forever, but realistically if you are reading this post, on this hardware forum, you will want to upgrade hardware sooner than later. When that happens you won't have much of a choice either. Windows 7 without drivers, Linux, Mac, or Windows 10.
 

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I went the NT4 -> Windows 2000 -> Windows 7 pre-release route on my primary hard drive. Went to Windows 10 Insider Edition when Microsoft disabled my Windows 7 key.
 

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I mean honestly at this point, I have zero incentive to downgrade to 10. I wanted to like 10, but they kept stripping features out of it that I specifically paid for with 7. As such when it ceases to be viable from a security standpoint, I'm comfortable enough with the current progress of linux to confidently switch back to it full time. As it appears MS has no intention of eliminating the deal breakers of Win 10 for me.

And now MS will start pestering Windows7 users to upgrade

https://betanews.com/2019/03/12/windows-7-upgrade-notifications/

Ugh Not this obnoxious shit again..Look I'm sorry MS, but at this point those of us on 7 are there for a fucking reason and nag shit like this certainly isn't going to bring us over to 10.
 
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Question for the people who are going to stick with 7 - What are you going to do when you want to upgrade or build a new computer and there are no drivers?
 

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Question for the people who are going to stick with 7 - What are you going to do when you want to upgrade or build a new computer and there are no drivers?

Just as with many Windows security updates between Windows 7 and 10, Windows 7 and 10 drivers are very similar, in many cases possibly identical. Even without official driver support it might be possible to install Windows 10 drivers on Windows 7.

When it comes to graphics drivers, Windows 7 and up drivers were able to be installed in Windows Vista after official support had ended from graphics manufacturers by extracting the INF file from the GPU driver package and manually installing it in Vista.

There are some community driver projects out there that modify official drivers, and maybe some will help make certain drivers work in Windows 7.

For the next version of USB, I expect that drivers will continue to be available for Windows 7, one way or another.
 

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The issues with windows updates are legion, duckduckgo. I defer out as long as possible, worked out pretty well with 1809. You don't have to use condoms either, rather be safe than sorry.

Yet, that did not answer the question that I gave: What will break next?
 

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I agree with the criticisms of QWin10. Microsoft did a lot of stuff I hate with it.

That said, I hope these people aren't foolish enough to keep using Win7 past it's EOL date on January 14th next year.

Once an OS no longer receives regular security updates it needs to be permanentely removed from any network.

I don't update Windows 7 anymore because of the cumulative style of updates.

Still waiting for that zero day
 
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