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Hence my point.
Linux Mint looks pretty sweet.I ran the MS PC Health app earlier and discovered this for myself with a Haswell machine using an i5 4670k. I'm personally fine with switching it over to a flavor of Linux when support for Win 10 runs out, or hell maybe before that.
My concern is finding a version of linux for my mother's desktop (seeing as it has a more recent Pentium, but not recent enough for Win 11) that will play the MS Windows 7 suite of card games and that won't uninstall them at every fucking minor version update.
OK so the confirm, you did have to update the file?
Gaming = better: only because Games are built for Windows. Easily rectified but using Vulkan or OpenGL vs DirectX which would make the games cross platform in the blink of an eye.
Installing Linux is not the pain it once was. Most Distro's use Calamares and it's just as easy as Windows. Office should not be a concern for anybody at this point. I use Softmaker Office 2021 which has a native Linux install and think it's better than Microsoft Office for what I use it for. WPS Office and OnlyOffice are also good alternatives to Libreoffice and Microsoft Office. If you have to have Microsoft Office then use the web version. A native app is going to better on its native platform so if you're trying to primarily run Windows games/apps on Linux then expect some issues. My expectation is that Microsoft will destroy its own customer base via unpopular design issues where it think it knows best or by simply pushing people to more and more cloud-based operations. So Windows is more convenient until it pisses you off for the last time and you switch.
How do you create a Microsoft account with no Internet?
The corporate world pretty much runs on Excel, so that's a pretty big "only". I've worked for and with a lot of companies and every one of them uses it extensively, frequently in place of better options. I know a company that bought a commercial full-suite payroll application, and they track a bunch of their benefits and taxes outside of it in Excel. Why? I can't even imagine, and as far as I can tell, it's not as if they don't know they have something far better than Excel, that's purpose-made for what they want to do, but they don't use it. It costs them a ton of extra work, too.
LAWL. Y u have computer?
It's getting there. Especially with Proton.
True, but it's DIFFERENT, and that causes some headaches. People have piles of downloaded binaries that won't work, and there are plenty of things out there that don't have linux installs - and not everything works perfectly, even in the flatpack world (See some of the tutorials for installing steam, for instance, as there are some extra dependencies that aren't regularly captured around fonts/etc).
Eh. I use both ~constantly~ all day long (work laptop is MSFT, work workstation is Ubuntu 20.04). MS still has that one beat hands-down, especially when you're doing something more complex than a basic book report or letter. Excel has a pile of add-ons sure, but so does powerpoint, integration between decks (copy/paste tricks and theme management) is better, OneDrive integration even for home-users is great (and works with multi-access), grammar checker is more advanced on MSFT, etc. Libre is a LOT better than it used to be (haven't worked with Only yet), but... it ain't there yet. And it LOOKS and feels clunky in comparison, which yes, is shallow as fuck, but guess what? It matters. I don't WANT microsoft to be better at this, but it still is - especially galling is the lack of a good OneDrive client for linux, which I thought there ~used~ to be.
I don't need market analysis firms to tell me why people do and don't use a product. If Chromebooks and other HP products have displaced Apple then that's the direction the market is going. More than likely there's a significant number of people who do need to run Windows applications and the M1 makes this problematic. Especially with the youth where gaming while going to college is an attractive option.
Yea but that doesn't mean Microsoft isn't trying.
How many laptop companies you see going ARM? Apple is isolating themselves, and not just by ARM but with Metal API as well. So instead of looking for growth to me it seems Apple is trying to lock customers into their ecosystem.
When Vista fucked up, some people went Mac because the 360 and PS3 were good alternatives to PC gaming. Windows 11 sucks but it won't suck in the same way as Vista did. The only problem so far is that Windows 11 has unrealistic requirements. Once you have it you basically have Windows 10 with a different UI. When 2025 comes around and Windows 10 no longer gets support then things are different. Any surge of people leaving Mac for Windows 11 is because of the M1. Praise it all you want but it can't run modern Windows games.
That explains it because I've been always using Pro. Windows 10 Pro keys on Ebay are like $3 so I always use pro.
I have a computer that I leave disconnected while I set it up precisely so it can't force me to create a Microsoft account, duh.
Installing software really isn't hard, in fact the terminal is vastly better as you can actually see what's happening all the time, as opposed to requestors popping up and disappearing for minuites at a time leaving the user wondering what's going on. Having said that, many software packages are .RPM or .DEB's now, which are no harder to install than software under MacOS - In fact, MacOS is amazingly similar to Linux once you get passed the basics, in many cases the terminal is absolutely needed to perform certain tasks (including the simple task of writing to an NTFS partition, something Linux does via the GUI file manager). The biggest problem with Windows is some .msi from some obscure corner of the internet is, quite simply, to easy to install as you have to cater to the unknowledgable masses - Resulting in PuP's that go on to download masses of Malware.
If the machine is running Windows 10 Home and you're running a local account, be prepared for a full screen requestor every three days telling you to sign up for a 'non limited account' - And the only two options are to either sign up for a non local account or defer the message for another three days.
Your generic home user left the terminal behind in 1993. While I happen to agree with you - I'm a CLI scripting wizard - to others, what we do is literally that - wizardry. I've seen senior "engineers" get baffled when I'm flipping through log files with various 15 item long grep strings - they didn't even know what cat was.
MacOS is generally a "drag item one onto item two" - which is about as simple as it gets (props to them). All BSD under the hood, really. The problem is your last statement - that's what people EXPECT. So, the way to make that safer? Require signed binaries unless you're smart enough to turn that off.
Most things run well. I've only had issues now with Call of Duty Black Ops 2, but I didn't spend much time fiddling with it either.
Standards are meaningless when the world has no interest in following the standard. The globally accepted standard (for better or worse) is Microsoft Office. There are also a multitude of tasks that just don't work as well yet in Libre (it gets better with each release, yes, but it ain't there yet). Hell, I think they had to recreate the NPV bug that Excel has had since the mid-90s as everyone was USED to it - even though it's technically wrong. I don't ~like~ MS Office, but it does what it's supposed to do, and I don't have to worry about compatibility with the folks I'm sharing data/files with. They're using the same thing, and we can accomplish our tasks - it's a tool. I've tried to do those tasks with Libre, and some are impossible, and others exceptionally difficult. Others are fine. It all depends, but everyone knows what office can do - and that's what they build expectations around.
Learning a TV brings new value. Learning a new OS delivers effectively the same value as learning the minor tweaks to Windows 10 will, and the latter is far easier and less confusing.
I'm typing this reply on Windows 10 Home version 21H1 build 19043.1052, and I have never seen that. I believe I installed Windows in early December. Edit: it was likely either 1909 or 20H2 that I originally installed, but I don't know for sure.
Actually, the terminal was never left behind. One of the features of Windows [cough] 11, so I hear, is an improved terminal with a better powershell implementation.
Hmm. Obviously you're a very simplistic MacOS user? Either that or you're not a Mac user at all and like most Windows users know little about what you're talking about.
So no different to Windows then.
Well, that's what Microsoft want you to believe - After all, they were the ones that manipulated the situation surrounding .docx and .xlsx, splitting one standard into two for their own benefit. Still doesn't change the fact that when a file opens under Libre Office and WPS Office but not MS Office it's obvious MS Office isn't the application with an issue regarding an ISO standard.
And yet people have adapted to Android, iOS, the UI of the ATM, the UI of the touch screen menu at McDonalds - Even the infotainment in their brand new car they feel they need to buy every three years as good little capitalists.
Give it time. Just like the time people told me that Microsoft wasn't forcing the use of Microsoft accounts when installing Windows 10 Home while connected to the internet as they'd never encountered it so it mustn't be true. I guess the Egg ended up on their face.
And how many average home users use powershell? Hint: almost none. The enterprise does, sure. We enthusiasts do, sure. But most folks don’t even know it’s there. Those are the ones that don’t care about changing requirements
Been using it regularly since 10.2 on a bronze keyboard PowerBook. Had the G4 aluminum, an iBook, 13” MacBook Pro, 15”, and now have another, 2015 MacBook Pro. Tend to use quicksilver for a launcher. It’s BSD under the hood, which I get along with fine. But for an idiot user, installing things is literally dragging from the dmg to the applications folder shortcut. Linux isn’t quite that easy yet
Minus the part where the help
Doesnt matter when the world is using the MS Office formats. Business runs on it; at least within the Fortune 500, and you better believe they’re the ones I’m paying attention to. They’re the ones I have to work with. There are tasks I do daily that LibreOffice can’t handle. I wish it could; I’d rather not be paying for a personal office365 subscription. But I do, because that’s what the world uses, and that’s what works
You’re not integrating with office365, nor are you doing complex analytical models or complex presentations, I suspect. Both of those don’t work the same (if at all) between them. I use both daily. The features aren’t there. As a basic example, On average, I have 12-15 people editing the same file simultaneously, with version tracking, conflict locking, separate undo/redo trees, and the ability to lock for major changes with a mouse click with RBAC. Let me know how to do that with libreoffice snd linux. Basic word doc even- nothing complex. That’s before we get into some of the insane spreadsheet messes I have similar numbers editing.
No, they’re a business that makes tools. And they make pretty good ones; ones that the rest of the world has accepted as default. Is what it is; that’s not a battle worth fighting to me. Those tools make me a lot of money- and until the world changes the tool of choice, I’m likely not for anything that is work related either. It’s not worth the fight- I have a job to do
New installs definitely do
Makes me wonder long term- When a feature release for 11 comes out, will it fail to install on that older hardware? Will be interesting to know, considering it does sometimes work on 7.
They know more than you do about market trends.
Quite a few Chromebooks are ARM-based. Samsung, ASUS, Lenovo and others all make them. While they're typically low end, that's also where Chromebooks are most appealing. You don't see many ARM-based Windows laptops, but that's because.... well, Windows on ARM sucks, both due to the sluggish hardware and inferior software experience.
It wins, because that's what people want. Do you not remember when the big PC builders offered Linux? It was a disaster. Hobbyists are not a major factor in the world of computing. It's business followed by consumers (or maybe Education and then Consumers).
Someone probably answered this, but there's an option somewhere to use a pin instead of a PW. I've never used it, but my Dad set it up on his PC in the last year or 2.
Not on my PC. I have a PW...no pin. Same with my mother's PC....but father has it. I think we're all on the same version of 10. I know they're on the same version.
As someone with Skylake, I have no problem with this. 10 will be around for 4 more years. I seriously doubt I'll still be running this rig in 2025 (well at least not the CPU/MB and probably not the GPU either)
Business, Government, Edu, consumer. In that order. If you break out enterprise and commercial, probably Enterprise, Government, Commercial, Edu, consumer. Lots of linux desktops in all of those too, but they're all specialty tools - computers are tools, and the majority of them run windows because it does what people need it to, and they know it. And the customer knows how to support it.
To be clear, people usually want Windows because it's what they're used to, what they see in the price class they shop, what enables the hardware features they want, or runs the software they prefer (games or the occasional work app). I'm sure hardcore Windows fans are out there, but you're uncommon if you're enthusiastic about Windows purely for its own sake.
I actually don't mind that 11 is pushing hardware requirements up. It's rare Microsoft really pushes the boundaries, so it's refreshing for once. However, I do think not 'officially' support Skylake, and Zen 1 is a bit too aggressive.
It's a surprising choice from a company that let people install Windows 95 on a 386DX with 4MB RAM. Maybe Intel flipped them a shiny nickel for the favor.
Aggressive would be requiring AMD 3k or Intel 10 series. Zen 1 was released over 4 years ago, and will be almost 5 years old by the time 11 is actually released. 5 years is old by basically every pc measure I can think of.