Windows 11 May Not Run on Early Ryzen, Threadripper, Skylake-X, or Any Pre-2016 Intel PC

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I will switch my laptop to a Mac. I have been wanting to upgrade my PC. This will either force me to do it, or I will just stop using it until hardware is easy to shop for.
 

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I'm 1 for 3 at my house my HTPC (which I honestly haven't used in 8mos) and more annoyingly my wife's pc do not meet microsoft's stated proc support (i7-4770K and a ??? I don't actually remember it might? have a 2500K) oh well... I probably will just use my Roku or Chromecast or?? and retire the HTPC...

We still don't know what the final build of Windows 11 will actually run on compared to what is "supported". Right now, the only available version of Windows 11 installs just fine with no TPM module, and on CPUs much older than Sandy Bridge.
 

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You were supposed to have Stockholm syndrome by now. What's taking you so long?

Never happen, I just use Chris Titus Tech's debloat scripts for Windows 10. Oh, I also use Ubuntu for my daily driver so...... :)
 

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I recently jumped ship from Windows, when I was having USB disconnect issues on my new build. I am now running Linux MINT on my new gaming PC. There are lots of games to play, except newly released games not made for linux. But I have an xbox series x for those games.

Honestly wiith so many ransonware attacks all on windows machines, its a huge problem right now. I see people jumping into Linux just for the security flaws of windows.

You and I switched our daily drivers for objective, practical reasons. However, most are not going to worry about and will not switch, especially since they need Windows to be able to work from home.
 

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This is bad comedy. Dear Microsoft, I want to run Windows 11 on my i7-950; still on Windows 7. 😂🤣
 

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Which is going to do jack shit for protecting against ransomware; from all reports the biggest vulnerability is located between the monitor and chair.
Yes, user error is a big part of it, but if the exploit is only created for Windows, then using Linux (or macOS even) would probably reduce a good chuck of the attack vector.
 

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Almost all ransomware attacks still require user error in order to infect a system. Linux isn't a cure for user error.
Unless it is a very specific targeted attack, you can bet that any shady attachments on emails, etc. are designed for Windows.

I could probably open my spam folder on Linux and double click the "r4ns0mw@r3.exe" and nothing will happen.
 

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I recently jumped ship from Windows, when I was having USB disconnect issues on my new build. I am now running Linux MINT on my new gaming PC. There are lots of games to play, except newly released games not made for linux. But I have an xbox series x for those games.

Honestly wiith so many ransonware attacks all on windows machines, its a huge problem right now. I see people jumping into Linux just for the security flaws of windows.
Linux doesn’t fix idiots installing executables they shouldn’t as root or adding a skummy repo server to yum and installing god knows what.
 

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My biggest complaint about this is all the complaining. How many times have we gone through this over the years, people freak out and complain, and a few years later no one even remembers it happened.

Remember when:

Floppy drives replaced tape drives? Complaints
3 1/2" floppies replaced 5 1/4" floppies? Complaints
CD Rom replaced floppies? Complaints
SATA replaced IDE, especially when MB manufacturers stopped even including an IDE slot? Complaints
PS2 to USB? Complaints
Motherboard additional power connectors going from molex, 4 pin, double 4 pin, 6 pin, 8 pin, and who knows how many pins next week? Complaints

My 5 year old Rampage V Edition 10 has a place to put a TPM module, if I needed to, but I don't. If that machine even had Windows on it anymore, and if in 4 years I felt the need to put Windows 11 on it, you can rest assured I'd probably be able to get a TPM module to put in it.
 

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I have an ASUS Prime z390-A mobo which has TPM 2.0 built in
Intel Core i5-9600k
Win 10 with latest updates
40gb Ram
UEFI mode and secure boot enabled

Had to change my Win 10 BIOS mode from Legacy to UEFI
after I did that I got this ...
All good now LOL
Just waiting until Win 11 releases :)

Screen Shot 06-26-21 at 10.14 PM.PNG
 

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Unless it is a very specific targeted attack, you can bet that any shady attachments on emails, etc. are designed for Windows.

I could probably open my spam folder on Linux and double click the "r4ns0mw@r3.exe" and nothing will happen.

Android is based on Linux, so that must be why Android devices never get infected by malware.

Oh wait...
 

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I get everyone wants to be mad at microsoft about this.. but what about being mad at Intel / AMD..etc?? who sold processors with gaping security holes for what 20~yrs?
AMD was not part of that equation, and it was Intel who sold CPUs with massive security issues for performance gains since the Pentium Pro in 1995, so we are at 26 years of them doing this and counting.
The only reason Intel released fixes (only back to CPUs circa 2010 - anything before that is truly fucked) is because they got caught with their pants down.

Also, this decision that Microsoft has made is purely on them, and has nothing to do with those security aspects you are bringing up as it has to do with TPM 2.0 as a requirement, not Meltdown, Spectre, etc.
So yes, everyone should blame Microsoft for this, as it was Microsoft that made the decision to pull corporatist bullshit like this screwing countless customers and contract holders over.
Maybe.... ???? after a gawd damn oil pipeline got forced to shut down after ransomware attack it is time to consider requiring additional security mechanisms to be present in hardware that will run modern Operating Systems?
That was due to an account getting compromised, and was purely due to human error and .
A better consumer-grade OS will not fix an issue like that, and as much fun as it is to blame both Microsoft and Intel for legitimate issues, neither had anything to do with what went down there in any shape or form.
 

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I honestly think most of you are seriously overreacting. OMG Windows 11 won't run on my 20 year old toaster! HOW DARE YOU MICROSOFT!
Are you for real?
We aren't talking about CPUs from 20 years ago, we are talking about Kaby Lake and Ryzen CPUs from literally less than 4 years ago.

If Microsoft requires TPM 2.0 or above for security, while no other OS in existence does this, I think it is time to reconsider using any OS made by Microsoft.
Also, when Microsoft's best practice requirement for OS updates within an enterprise changed from a secondary testing model to a tertiary testing model, it pretty much proved what hot garbage their updates and operating systems are at that point.

Yes, how dare you, Microsoft.
The worst thing about there being a Windows 11 is people on the internet.
Not hardly.
 

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I am on a i9-7940X & Rampage VI Extreme that runs @ 4.9GHz happily for the last 2 years........it is not supported.
I was wondering if it is worth it to upgrade to a 10980Xe but I can't justify the expense since I am not doing number crunching or anything requiring more cores.....just heavy multitasking.....I plan to upgrade to DDR5 & PCI-E 5 one year after the new platforms mature.....

So my only option is to buy a TMP 2.0 module..........if I can find one since scalpers got their dirty hands on them now.......
 

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Expect this methodology to continue as we march forward into our new corporate backed futures. Shocked myself that CPU's from even 2017 and 2018 are not compatible even if you have TPM 2.0 but I wouldn't be surprised if Intel worked with MS to help motivate those still holding onto sandy and ivy bridge to upgrade and give them much needed sales. Couple that with the fact Microsoft's biggest competitor has a 100% walled garden which gives them crazy amount of control over hardware and thus security which is more and more appealing to enterprise as they can leverage that walled garden for their own benefit. With all modern apps built within the past 10 years being web based, what platform you use to view a website no longer matters and unshackles enterprise from legacy MS and AD environments.

Welcome to the future....you will own nothing and be happy about it. :)
 

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So my only option is to buy a TMP 2.0 module..........if I can find one since scalpers got their dirty hands on them now.......

You could always wait to see what the actual requirements are when Windows 11 is released. Right now the TPM nonsense is being fueled by mob hysteria.

As of this moment, there is no version of Windows 11 that actually requires a TPM module. The leaked ISO works fine even on computers that are 15 years old or more. If that actually changes as more beta versions are released, then panic and complain.
 
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You could always wait to see what the actual requirements are when Windows 11 is released. Right now the TPM nonsense is being fueled by mob hysteria.

As of this moment, there is no version of Windows 11 that actually requires a TPM module. The leaked ISO works fine even on computers that are 15 years old or more. If that actually changes as more beta versions are released, then panic and complain.
Meh. MS has this info posted on their website. I wouldn't put much faith in leaked versions from developer builds.
 

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You could always wait to see what the actual requirements are when Windows 11 is released. Right now the TPM nonsense is being fueled by mob hysteria.
Well, this just proves that Windows 11 can obviously run and operate without TPM 2.0 and much older CPUs without it, yet Microsoft will eventually and needlessly force the OS and platforms to require it.
Yay, more Corporatism to the rescue.

I agree with ComputerBox34 that this is most likely a, though not proven, agreement with with Intel to artificially force customers to purchase newer CPUs and platforms to garner more sales, even though the processing need is obviously not there.
Again, more Corporatism...
As of this moment, there is no version of Windows 11 that actually requires a TPM module. The leaked ISO works fine even on computers that are 15 years old or more. If that actually changes as more beta versions are released, then panic and complain.
Microsoft literally stated as such, so what are you talking about?
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windows-11/

Directly from Microsoft's documentation:
There are new minimum hardware requirements for Windows 11. In order to run Windows 11, devices must meet the hardware specifications. Devices that do not meet the hardware requirements cannot be upgraded to Windows 11.

  • Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster with 2 or more cores on a compatible 64-bit processor or System on a Chip (SoC)
  • RAM: 4 gigabyte (GB)
  • Storage: 64 GB or larger storage device
  • System firmware: Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0
  • Graphics card: Compatible with DirectX 12 or later with WDDM 2.0 driver
  • S mode is only supported on Home edition of Windows 11. If you are running a different edition of Windows in S mode, you will need to first switch out of S mode prior to upgrading.
So yeah, as you said, time to "panic and complain". :meh:
 

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By the time win 10 goes EoL, that skylake x will be over 8 years old.
Weren’t we just having the discussion that MS sucks because they have too much backwards compatibility, and it causes too many compromises?
I'm currently using a 9 year old system and a 13 year old. If it works, why replace it? That's mindless consumerism. The most economical thing we can do is to use products for as long as possible. Then in comes microsoft demanding to throw out our perfectly working systems.

I don't know what discussion you are referring to, I was just discussing how compatibility is one of the cornerstones of x86.
 

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I'm currently using a 9 year old system and a 13 year old. If it works, why replace it? That's mindless consumerism.
The term you are looking for is Corporatism, which is exactly what both Microsoft, and potentially Intel, are pulling here, which should straight up be illegal, but obviously is not because because Socialism plays on Corporatism, and vice versa.
Agreed with everything you are saying, though.

https://www.crn.com/news/applicatio...windows-11-tpm-requirement-is-for-version-2-0
Microsoft’s updated documentation removes those references, instead listing TPM 2.0 as one of the hardware requirements for Windows 11.

“Devices that do not meet the hardware requirements cannot be upgraded to Windows 11,” Microsoft says on the documentation page.

For Intel Core chips, support for Windows 11 starts at the eighth-generation line, meaning that PCs with seventh-gen Intel Core chips and older would not be compatible with Windows 11, based on Microsoft’s disclosure.
 

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Directly from Microsoft's documentation:
So yeah, as you said, time to "panic and complain". :meh:
from that link:
"The goal of this specification is to enable OEMs, ODMs, Silicon, and other component vendors to make early design decisions for devices and computers that will run Windows."

like ive said several times, the requirements floating around appear to be for oems making new systems that will be w11 certified or something like that.
 

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from that link:
"The goal of this specification is to enable OEMs, ODMs, Silicon, and other component vendors to make early design decisions for devices and computers that will run Windows."

like ive said several times, the requirements floating around appear to be for oems making new systems that will be w11 certified or something like that.
When I ran the check on my system running a 7700k and a laptop running a 7600u, it told me my CPU was not compatible and that I would have to continue using Win10. This seems to impact all current systems, not just new ones from OEMs.
 

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from that link:
"The goal of this specification is to enable OEMs, ODMs, Silicon, and other component vendors to make early design decisions for devices and computers that will run Windows."

like ive said several times, the requirements floating around appear to be for oems making new systems that will be w11 certified or something like that.
To quote Ellen Ripley from Aliens, "I hope you're right. I really do."
Also, their system requirements specifically state that Windows 11 will not run on any CPU older than Intel 8th-gen era, and I'm pretty sure that applies to the OS itself, regardless of whether or not it is in the proverbial hands of an OEM or individual customer.
 

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Meh. MS has this info posted on their website. I wouldn't put much faith in leaked versions from developer builds.

It shows that there is nothing fundamental in the OS that requires a TPM module. There is not some major security overhaul that integrates and requires a TPM module in order to function. Big overhauls like that aren't something that gets slipped in at the end of development. If it ends up inserted as some kind of artificial requirement, then it will almost certainly be easily bypassed.

Microsoft literally stated as such, so what are you talking about?
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windows-11/

There are a lot of requirements on there. You seriously think people won't be able to make it work on DirectX 11 videocards? There has never been a version of Windows released, ever, that couldn't be installed on hardware that was below it's "minimum requirements" if you really wanted to.

So yeah, as you said, time to "panic and complain". :meh:

I want to see even one single screenshot from anyone who has been blocked from actually installing Windows 11 due to not having a TPM module. Yes, it's still very early in the beta - but that's sort of the point. Everyone is freaking out based on theory and potentially misinterpreted system requirements. Wake me up when anyone is actually blocked from installing anything.
 

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When I ran the check on my system running a 7700k and a laptop running a 7600u, it told me my CPU was not compatible and that I would have to continue using Win10. This seems to impact all current systems, not just new ones from OEMs.
and? that quote is from your link, it clearly says oems. also, its still 6 months away from official release, things will change. go in your bios and turn on tpm/ptt and secureboot. i installed it on an "unsupported" i5-6500, people have installed it on older "unsupported" chips without issue too.
 

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Wake me up when anyone is actually blocked from installing anything.
it was blocked on an i5-2400 i tried, no supported vid i think. the check tool also said my sig rig was not support, until i turned on tpm.
 

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It shows that there is nothing fundamental in the OS that requires a TPM module. There is not some major security overhaul that integrates and requires a TPM module in order to function. Big overhauls like that aren't something that gets slipped in at the end of development. If it ends up inserted as some kind of artificial requirement, then it will almost certainly be easily bypassed.
It literally states that Windows 11 requires TPM 2.0 for Windows 11 - not sure how you aren't understanding that, but believe whatever you want.
There are a lot of requirements on there. You seriously think people won't be able to make it work on DirectX 11 videocards?
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
There has never been a version of Windows released, ever, that couldn't be installed on hardware that was below it's "minimum requirements" if you really wanted to.
So everyone who has a system without TPM 2.0 is going to have to run a cracked version of Windows 11 to make it work?
Oh yeah, that sounds like a great solution... :meh:
I want to see even one single screenshot from anyone who has been blocked from actually installing Windows 11 due to not having a TPM module. Yes, it's still very early in the beta - but that's sort of the point. Everyone is freaking out based on theory and potentially misinterpreted system requirements. Wake me up when anyone is actually blocked from installing anything.
This isn't "theory" or "misinterpreted system requirements", Microsoft literally states it in the system requirements.
But again, believe whatever you want, and I'm sure you will be totally shocked to find out that Windows 11 won't be able to run on systems without TPM 2.0 once it is officially released, and that it was a total surprise out of nowhere. :whistle:
 

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and? that quote is from your link, it clearly says oems. also, its still 6 months away from official release, things will change. go in your bios and turn on tpm/ptt and secureboot. i installed it on an "unsupported" i5-6500, people have installed it on older "unsupported" chips without issue too.
Because the pre-release version will totally be the same as the officially released version with the hard-locked requirement of TPM 2.0.
I really hope things will change, but I doubt they will, so in the meantime I hope you enjoy Windows 11 on those unsupported chipsets while you still can.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windows-11/
Also, please show me on that page, or any official Microsoft documentation, where it states that the TPM 2.0 requirement is exclusive to OEMs.
 

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Because the pre-release version will totally be the same as the officially released version with the hard-locked requirement of TPM 2.0.
I really hope things will change, but I doubt they will, so in the meantime I hope you enjoy Windows 11 on those unsupported chipsets while you still can.
it probably will change. everyone is jumping to conclusions based on a leaked version and oem spec lists.
 

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it probably will change. everyone is jumping to conclusions based on a leaked version and oem spec lists.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windows-11/

Hardware Requirements​

There are new minimum hardware requirements for Windows 11. In order to run Windows 11, devices must meet the hardware specifications. Devices that do not meet the hardware requirements cannot be upgraded to Windows 11.
  • System firmware: Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0
"Leaked version" and "OEM specs", yet it states that requirement on Microsoft's official documentation...
 
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