Windows 11 leak reveals new UI, Start menu, and more (UPDATE - added source for Windows 10 retirement date)

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I vaguely remember some Direct X features being originally exclusive to 7 that were back-ported to Vista ... even if it needs one of the hardware requirements I'd be a little surprised if Direct Storage stays an 11 exclusive; but I can see Microsoft doing that at launch for testing purposes before back-porting it.
 

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EDIT: this video is probably more for the lazy that just want to see some stuff in action and see the additions to the OS.
If you want a deep dive, it's not for you.
 
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Looks like they're pulling an Apple with these minimum requirements. Apple is still much worse in that all Intel Macs aren't getting 99% of the new features of the OS coming out later this year.
 

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Maybe it will be good. Lots of people with aging gaming PCs can discover Linux for the first time...

2022, year of Linux desktop? You never know. There has never been a better time to switch.
 

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Looks like they're pulling an Apple with these minimum requirements. Apple is still much worse in that all Intel Macs aren't getting 99% of the new features of the OS coming out later this year.
As much as people bash Apple for it, us tech nerds always hear 'my mac is just so much faster!'... well yeah... they use (mostly) good parts in their systems. I hate hearing how great and premium macs are and how trash pc's are when they're comparing their $1200 macbook air to their $300 walmart laptop.

That said, I have macOS, Windows, and multiple flavors of Linux at home.

I actually love the look of Windows 11. I hope there is more to it though than the aesthetics.
 

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Why in the flying fuck didn't they just come up with a USB option for TPM modules?

Your notebook is a lot more likely to have a free usb 2 slot than a dedicated internal hardware socket (consider how few have been bothered to ship the 2.0 modules installed, this is an easy way to brick fully-functional quad cores from 2017)

How many times per-session does a properly-vetted bitlocker drive really need to be re-verified? Further: the industry has already adopted signed USB dongles for expensive software licenses (so there is already enough bandwidth for that)

check out how fucking flexible it is, you can remote connect to your module!

https://www.net-usb.com/remote-code-signing/

Compare that seamlessness to clunky new-but-somehow-older TPM modules still acting like its 1989 (connect me to a blue colored serial port, or no-workee...no, it wont fucking work if your port is any other color of the rainbow):
 
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maybe Microsoft is / has been induced to "stimulate" new pc sales by not supporting 5+ year old cpu's on win 11?... it is rough on the support list.. I'm pretty sure some of the intel cpu's they are supporting are vulnerable to spectra /meltdown so that isn't it?? is it? In fact my acient 2013~ motherboard for my i7-4770k can be fitted with a TPM module sooooo??? seems it like a play to sell some pc's?

given how well win 10 runs on a i7-4770k from 2013~ it seems like someone has decided it is time to stimulate pc sales? in fairness apple has no problem leaving hardware behind on os upgrades (granted the architecture changes)...
 

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maybe Microsoft is / has been induced to "stimulate" new pc sales by not supporting 5+ year old cpu's on win 11?... it is rough on the support list.. I'm pretty sure some of the intel cpu's they are supporting are vulnerable to spectra /meltdown so that isn't it?? is it? In fact my acient 2013~ motherboard for my i7-4770k can be fitted with a TPM module sooooo??? seems it like a play to sell some pc's?

given how well win 10 runs on a i7-4770k from 2013~ it seems like someone has decided it is time to stimulate pc sales? in fairness apple has no problem leaving hardware behind on os upgrades (granted the architecture changes).

Since when did we need TPM outside of work environments? And what makes you think coffee Lake has fixe any f the biggest security hpoles?

Again, why did they cutoff Ryzen 1000 series (with its much better security?) mthis soound klike a blanket invention intended to sell achines.

Microsoft still doesn't make i easy to boot from ReFs ; given hoe many caveats such complex thing still come with, (e,g.Bitlocker), its an incredibly limited use case for most home users!

Businesses running Enterprise have already figured this shit out years ago, but we don't all need to wait two minutes for an encrypted ssd plus multiple layers of anti-tamper to boot an i5!
 
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maybe Microsoft is / has been induced to "stimulate" new pc sales by not supporting 5+ year old cpu's on win 11?... it is rough on the support list.. I'm pretty sure some of the intel cpu's they are supporting are vulnerable to spectra /meltdown so that isn't it?? is it? In fact my acient 2013~ motherboard for my i7-4770k can be fitted with a TPM module sooooo??? seems it like a play to sell some pc's?

given how well win 10 runs on a i7-4770k from 2013~ it seems like someone has decided it is time to stimulate pc sales? in fairness apple has no problem leaving hardware behind on os upgrades (granted the architecture changes)...

There is a difference between what is "supported" and what will work. I've installed the leaked Windows 11 ISO on a Pentium D and an Athlon64 X2. Both of the CPUs over 15 years old, neither computer had a TPM module. Maybe the requirements will change before it goes RTM but I highly doubt that they would cut off so many users. That would go against everything they have done so far, including continuing free upgrades for Windows 7 , 8, and 8.1 users even to this day, just to make sure older computers are on their newest platform. With the leaked ISO, you could do a free upgrade directly from Windows 7 to Windows 11. That alone makes me think older CPUs will still work fine because none of those "supported" CPUs ever shipped with Windows 7...
 

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All this talk about TPM had me confused as hell as I did not even know what it was. It seems you do not need the actual module at all but just have to have the setting enabled in the BIOS. To be clear I dont have the module but have the header and I went into my BIOS and turned on the setting and now my pc meets the requirements where as before it did not when I ran the tool.
 

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I'll get it and I honestly doubt it'll change how I use my computer much at all. Centered icons,whatever.
 

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Looks like they're pulling an Apple with these minimum requirements. Apple is still much worse in that all Intel Macs aren't getting 99% of the new features of the OS coming out later this year.
This is explicitly false, and you know it. The Apple Silicon features are a handful of nice-but-not-important additions.
 

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The fact that Win 11 supposedly will have built in Android App support is interesting, but it leaves me asking why? Other than for development purposes, why would anyone ever run an Android app on a PC?

Also, one wonders if Bluestacks will survive.
Because running programs on your phone is a painful experience. If I'm at home I am going to prefer running them on my PC if the option exists. Also, the Bluestacks experience is terrible. Being to run Android programs natively in Windows is definitely a boon.
 

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I don't really have any qualms about updating since it seems to be more Win 10.1 with UI updates. All I can say is dealing with MS Teams and TPM module login issues for several companies I hope its not as terrible when the entire operating system update requires it.
 

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I'm curious how many tech geeks are legitimately upset by something in this announcement or if they just feel obligated.
 

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yeah, who runs 32bit os willingly?! the os is 64bit only but im sure you can still run 32bit apps.
 

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I'm curious how many tech geeks are legitimately upset by something in this announcement or if they just feel obligated.
the only thing that upsets me is the rounded corners, why?! to look like the "cool" kids? and im sure ill get used to them though.
 

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yeah, who runs 32bit os willingly?! the os is 64bit only but im sure you can still run 32bit apps.
Keep in mind this is Microsoft, the company that still tends to value legacy support above all else. It was likely terrified that some corporate users would drop Windows because they might have to upgrade a few 20-year-old servers.
 

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yeah, who runs 32bit os willingly?! the os is 64bit only but im sure you can still run 32bit apps.
Microsoft had better not follow Apple in the future and drop support for 32-bit programs. Apple users seemed fine with it, but if it happens to Windows that will be a whole other can of worms.
 

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This is a bad update. I've had AutoHDR since March on W10 Insider, and it works well, but it isn't Special K or anything; and it existed before W11, so its not a W11 feature. The DX12 api enhancements will be great.. until you realize DX12 is a buggy mess and it has to be implemented in each game, before you see any improvement. Many games arent even using DX12 anyways.

Forcing people to use the store is shit upgrade, since it basically is a data tracker sinkhole. I'd imagine less group policy controls will be effective, as they intend to force it down our throats.

Bundling garbage like Teams just reminds me of the onedrive crap that you have to powershell uninstall every reformat.

The start menu is a massive downgrade from W10. I don't care about rounded corners, but it just looks bad, and you can't even move it to the side/top anymore. Like what? Funny becasue the mac 'menu' doesn't look like hot garbage. It's reminiscent of a Cortana you can't disable. Removing tiles means we gotta find a new way to hack the start menu so it isn't candy-crush suggesting trash, and may actually help you open stuff. I don't want shit to "link together". I want privacy.

Other than the above, it barely is enough to call a service pack, let alone a new windows experience. Sad because I quite enjoy the W10 insider preview atm, and am not looking forward to this downgrade. The only thing I expect is a new TOS with even less privacy choices... who the hell wanted Android apps on their PC anyways, lol?

But what choice do we have?

With the work from home revolution, where is the ability to hot swap between different OS instances on the same machine, as if it was a fully fledged Virtual Machine.

What's new about this Operating System? This year we put a 11 on the box.
 
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Maybe it will be good. Lots of people with aging gaming PCs can discover Linux for the first time...

2022, year of Linux desktop? You never know. There has never been a better time to switch.
I already run Linux Mint on several PC I have at home, but the reason I avoided upgrading my main PC was for gaming. Main issue is that Wine sucks. Proton works good but Proton is exclusive to Steam. I'm already in no hurry to "upgrade" to Windows 11, but so far each update from Windows has a tendency to break something. As a Asus Xonar sound card user I'm having a difficult time keeping it from BSODing my system from resuming sleep unless a particular driver version. I can only imagine that Windows 11 could further break this to the point where I can't use my sound card. Linux doesn't have these problems. Hopefully by next year Wine could be in much better shape, but who knows?
given how well win 10 runs on a i7-4770k from 2013~ it seems like someone has decided it is time to stimulate pc sales?
That's not how things work out. Most of the new features from Windows 11 are irrelevant for most people and if the Windows 11 breaks things then people will go back to Windows 10. You want Windows 10 to become Windows XP because this is how you get XP 2.0?
in fairness apple has no problem leaving hardware behind on os upgrades (granted the architecture changes)...
Apple doesn't but then again Apple did fall behind to #2 in computer sales this year, probably due to this reasoning. I can't imagine there being too many M1 users who are happy to know their ability to boot into Windows is not gone, and their compatibility with Windows applications has been reduced. If you're still using an Intel Mac then you get to lose out on cool features like... language support for Swedish.
This is a bad update. I've had AutoHDR since March on W10 Insider, and it works well, but it isn't Special K or anything; and it existed before W11, so its not a W11 feature. The DX12 api enhancements will be great.. until you realize DX12 is a buggy mess and it has to be implemented in each game, before you see any improvement. Many games arent even using DX12 anyways.
I wish most games don't use DX12, but unfortunately most new games are. I hoped they would use Vulkan but...
Forcing people to use the store is shit upgrade, since it basically is a data tracker sinkhole. I'd imagine less group policy controls will be effective, as they intend to force it down our throats.
I saw this on Linus Tech Tips and I'm not happy about it. I intentionally never linked my Microsoft account to my Windows user account for this reason. I also probably forget the password since the last time I made a Windows account was for Xbox Live, which has been dead for a while.
The start menu is a massive downgrade from W10. I don't care about rounded corners, but it just looks bad, and you can't even move it to the side/top anymore. Like what? Funny becasue the mac 'menu' doesn't look like hot garbage. It's reminiscent of a Cortana you can't disable. Removing tiles means we gotta find a new way to hack the start menu so it isn't candy-crush suggesting trash, and may actually help you open stuff. I don't want shit to "link together". I want privacy.
Looks like Microsoft hasn't given up on the idea of Windows 8 being built for tablets. What's worse is that Linux Mint's Cinnamon UI is copying Windows 10, even the bad features. Nothing I can't undo but I like the idea of not having to sit there and change options to get the UI to work the way I want. Does anyone enjoy having taskbar buttons combined? First thing I do is disable that feature and remove Cortana from the taskbar.
But what choice do we have?
We must join Lord Gaben and move to Linux. They haven't given up on Steam OS just yet.
 

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Is anybody still using 32-bit? Intel, AMD and NVIDIA dropped 32-bit support for their drivers a long time ago.
Me, I have an Asus T100 touchscreen laptop which we use sitting on the sofa as it is small and light and turns on as fast as a mobile phone. I'm sure there will be millions of non-techy users out there that still rock 32 bit devices. This forum is a tiny percentage of Windows users....
 

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Just tried the MS PC Health check tool for the hell of it. My secondary computer with an i5 4670k shows an exclamation mark with a message that the processor is not supported. Guess that machine will be on Solus Budgie eventually.
 

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The start menu is a massive downgrade from W10. I don't care about rounded corners, but it just looks bad, and you can't even move it to the side/top anymore
? You can move the start menu to the side / top (well once you activate win 11?) just left click and drag where you want
 

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Me, I have an Asus T100 touchscreen laptop which we use sitting on the sofa as it is small and light and turns on as fast as a mobile phone. I'm sure there will be millions of non-techy users out there that still rock 32 bit devices. This forum is a tiny percentage of Windows users....
which one? the x5-Z8500 atom chip is 64bit...


Does it have any theme support?
yes. it has 6 built in and you can get more from the store, a bunch.
 

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? You can move the start menu to the side / top (well once you activate win 11?) just left click and drag where you want
the taskbar cannot be moved at the moment but you can set the menu back to the left corner.
 

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which one? the x5-Z8500 atom chip is 64bit...



yes. it has 6 built in and you can get more from the store, a bunch.
Even the Bay Trail-based Intel Atom chips in the 2013 model are 64-bit. I think they just loaded it with 32-bit Windows since it only supports up to 4GB of RAM.
 
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