Windows 11 available on October 5

pendragon1 said:
ive noticed zero difference between tpm on or off on my sig system. maybe its something you have to monitor for but its not noticeable in normal use.
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It gets noticeable when you are doing things that actually call for the TPM module, in the average users' day to day you won't run into that much yet, but in enterprise, we hit them frequently and the difference is very noticable.

For many of the proposed changes for anti-cheat, it may be needed in the next year or 3 but that is a completely different situation.
 
chameleoneel said:
https://www.techpowerup.com/287539/...ance-with-windows-11-l3-cache-latency-tripled

AMD processors officially compatible with Windows 11, exhibit a three-times increase in L3 cache latency with the new operating system. The new operating system is also found to break the "preferred cores" system on AMD processors (UEFI CPPC2), in which the two "best" CPU cores, which can sustain the highest boost frequencies, are highlighted to the operating system, so most of the light-threaded traffic could be sent to them.
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This is why you don't upgrade to a new OS on day one. Give it 6 months to a year to mature.
 
Wade88 said:
No you don't, you can edit your registry to fix it or use a program like WinAero to do it for you. I have laid waste to all instances of this "see more options" plague on this machine and moved the start menu back to where it belongs with the kind of start menu I like. These touchscreen chuckleheads better stay away from my disks.
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This is hardly the first time we've seen touch first design, and will definitely not be the last.

Just look at web pages out there. HUGE space wasting buttons and lots of flat dead space wasting screen real estate just for the fat finger people. It's a huge annoyance and has been trending that way ever since 2007, the inflection point in tech when everything went from improving year over year to becoming more and more stupid every year that passes.

I hope we'll get a second inflection point that improves things again...
 
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Camberwell said:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...ndows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e

MS gives a way to get around tpm with a registry change....
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It's important to note that a TPM 1.2 module would still be required. Same thing when installing via ISO. It will let you get around the TPM 2.0 and CPU model requirements by accepting the disclaimer, but you still need to have a TPM 1.2 module or it won't even give you that option. The other ways that are used to bypass requirements, however, make it so that you don't need any TPM module at all.
 
Now I've just found out that since I got the free upgrade from Win 7 to Win 10, I didn't install Win 10 as GPT but as MBR, so I can't disable CSM. Since I would prefer to do an in place upgrade from Win 10 to Win 11 (assuming my 7700K is ever added to the list) then I will need to clean install Win 10 first, defeating the purpose of an in place upgrade so as to keep all my files/settings etc. More hassles....
 
Camberwell said:
Now I've just found out that since I got the free upgrade from Win 7 to Win 10, I didn't install Win 10 as GPT but as MBR, so I can't disable CSM. Since I would prefer to do an in place upgrade from Win 10 to Win 11 (assuming my 7700K is ever added to the list) then I will need to clean install Win 10 first, defeating the purpose of an in place upgrade so as to keep all my files/settings etc. More hassles....
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There is a process to convert a live MBR install to a GPT/UEFI one, but yes, definitely hassles :)
 
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Camberwell said:
Now I've just found out that since I got the free upgrade from Win 7 to Win 10, I didn't install Win 10 as GPT but as MBR, so I can't disable CSM. Since I would prefer to do an in place upgrade from Win 10 to Win 11 (assuming my 7700K is ever added to the list) then I will need to clean install Win 10 first, defeating the purpose of an in place upgrade so as to keep all my files/settings etc. More hassles....
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google how to convert mbr to gpt, takes 5 min. then you enter bios, flip to uefi and boot up.
 
mvmiller12 said:
There is a process to convert a live MBR install to a GPT/UEFI one, but yes, definitely hassles :)
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Yeah I've just been reading up on it, need to make a full back up first, but also I have my C drive split into 2 for a seperate Games drive. Windows has added a System Reserved partition and a System Recovery partition and the MBR conversion needs less than 4 partitions so I have to copy the Games partition, remove that partition, then do the conversion etc etc. I'll wait and see if my 7700K is added before I start screwing around though...
At least since I have Home I don't have to worry about BitLocker...
 
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I have one minor issue with 11 so far, when I go to add a domain user to the machine if I hit the browse button the search window opens up behind the initial window.
 
Lakados said:
It’s really easy to get that one, if you have installed your windows 10 version in Legacy or non secure boot modes then while you may have all the hardware needed to install 11, you can’t perform the update.
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makes sense and if the box on the right was scrolled down, thats probably what is says.
 
got a notice just now in Windows Update section of setup, said my PC can run Win 11 which I already knew some time ago but decided to DL win 11 to a USB stick and give it a whirl tonight.
 
Well, considering the performance is reported by AMD to be slower than Windows 10, with Ryzen, I went back to Windows 10. The crazy thing is, it appears my games are running faster in Ubuntu on the same hardware.
 
Camberwell said:
Now I've just found out that since I got the free upgrade from Win 7 to Win 10, I didn't install Win 10 as GPT but as MBR, so I can't disable CSM. Since I would prefer to do an in place upgrade from Win 10 to Win 11 (assuming my 7700K is ever added to the list) then I will need to clean install Win 10 first, defeating the purpose of an in place upgrade so as to keep all my files/settings etc. More hassles....
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I don't ever recalling Windows asking how I wanted to install it--using MBR or GPT--maybe I just missed. Anyhow, changing it seemed like a daunting task. Searched around and found the simplest way.

Did this before upgrading to W11. Converting MBR to GPT in an existing install of Windows 10. For me, think it was as simple as:

(step 1) Run Command Prompt as Administrator
(step 2) mbr2gpt /validate then hit Enter
step 3) mbr2gpt /convert /allowFullOS then hit Enter

Done! Could it be this simple?

Then went into BIOS, disabled CSM and set boot to UEFI. Confirm UEFI boot in msinfo. You might want to search up this process to make sure I didn't forget to tell something. This was a while back. Run at your own risk but it was butter for me

Had also done a BIOS update from Asus that enabled TPM 2.0 or whatever for the MB a month or so back when the BIOS released. Not sure that had anything to do with the MBR to GPT thing.

Installed and played with W11 for a while but didn't care for several things so downgraded back to W10. Fairly easy process and didn't lose anything. Think MS said there was something about a 10-day period for downgrading without losing data and having to do a clean install. Of course, did a backup/system image before changing anything just in case. Thankfully didn't need to use it.

One odd problem. Noticed yesterday I was missing 8 GB of RAM in task manager and BIOS but not in CPUID. Ran Windows memory test--no problem. Opened BIOS and reset XMP--the settings appeared to be changed; reboot and the missing RAM was recovered. Not sure the problem was caused by changing MBR to GPT; more likely the BIOS update a while back. You might wanna check RAM just in case.

Now, whether your hardware/processor will support W11 is another story. Good luck--have an idea they'll soften their stance especially on CPUs. Mine was verboten at first but now shows up as OK to run W11.
 
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tordogs said:
I don't ever recalling Windows asking how I wanted to install it--using MBR or GPT--maybe I just missed. Anyhow, changing it seemed like a daunting task. Searched around and found the simplest way.

Did this before upgrading to W11. Converting MBR to GPT in an existing install of Windows 10. For me, think it was as simple as:

(step 1) Run Command Prompt as Administrator
(step 2) mbr2gpt /validate then hit Enter
step 3) mbr2gpt /convert /allowFullOS then hit Enter

Done! Could it be this simple?

Then went into BIOS, disabled CSM and set boot to UEFI. Confirm UEFI boot in msinfo. You might want to search up this process to make sure I didn't forget to tell something. This was a while back. Run at your own risk but it was butter for me

Had also done a BIOS update from Asus that enabled TPM 2.0 or whatever for the MB a month or so back when the BIOS released. Not sure that had anything to do with the MBR to GPT thing.

Installed and played with W11 for a while but didn't care for several things so downgraded back to W10. Fairly easy process and didn't lose anything. Think MS said there was something about a 10-day period for downgrading without losing data and having to do a clean install. Of course, did a backup/system image before changing anything just in case. Thankfully didn't need to use it.

One odd problem. Noticed yesterday I was missing 8 GB of RAM in task manager and BIOS but not in CPUID. Ran Windows memory test--no problem. Opened BIOS and reset XMP--the settings appeared to be changed; reboot and the missing RAM was recovered. Not sure the problem was caused by changing MBR to GPT; more likely the BIOS update a while back. You might wanna check RAM just in case.

Now, whether your hardware/processor will support W11 is another story. Good luck--have an idea they'll soften their stance especially on CPUs. Mine was verboten at first but now shows up as OK to run W11.
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Thanks man, appreciate the info!
 
ng4ever said:
What does this mean ?

https://www.windowslatest.com/2021/...upport-for-some-older-intel-cpu-motherboards/

Could i7 7700k get support ?
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The 7700k was released only 1 quarter before the 7900x so not sure what the difference is. And other 7700 versions have now made the list. The accepted CPU list by MS has a sort of spongy floor. Back in June or so, the list was pretty limited--7900x not on it-- by mid-August more CPUs were added.

Bought a whole new bunch of AMD parts in July thinking I'd have to do a new build to use W11. Never put it together yet and now disgusted 'cause not a big fan of W11 for the moment; coulda saved the money! And couldn't install and try W11 before since CPU wasn't approved! W11 task bar is junk to me, lots of "improvements" hold no interest, jump hoops to disable VBS, also several other problems. Will be just as happy to keep using W10 even with a new build of the AMD parts.

Don't give up hope--think MS is gonna get pushback from people with perfectly good hardware and W11 might not get the adoption rates they hope for. The spongy floor could keep dropping.
 
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7th gen is old? LOOOOL!
So I guess my LGA 1366 systems are out. ;-)
Win10 runs great even on the old Core2 Duo boxes.
 
cpufrost said:
7th gen is old? LOOOOL!
So I guess my LGA 1366 systems are out. ;-)
Win10 runs great even on the old Core2 Duo boxes.
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Yeah, the 7th gen is considered old even though they are all built on the same nm process.
 
I wanted to test it on my laptop first, apparently it is incompatible. It's like they don't even want you to upgrade this time. As opposed to forcing w10 on everyone just a while ago.
 
M76 said:
I wanted to test it on my laptop first, apparently it is incompatible. It's like they don't even want you to upgrade this time. As opposed to forcing w10 on everyone just a while ago.
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people will be unhappy either way...
what saying/why does it say incompatible?
 
pendragon1 said:
people will be unhappy either way...
what saying/why does it say incompatible?
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7th gen cpu. Which makes it the second most modern system in my house. Out of 6. This smells of planned obsolescence to me.
 
Upgraded a machine from 10 to 11. Seemed to go smooth enough, but having some major issues. I run SQL Server 2014 Express on this machine for a proprietary application. It seemingly hosed my SQL install, the SQL service won't start any more, and the SQL error log is vague at best.

I also RDP from this machine to a Windows 10 pro machine. It will no longer RDP to that machine and says 'An authentication error has occurred (Code: 0x800706be)' without ever even prompting for username and password. I downloaded the Windows store rdp app, and that does connect, but seemingly doesn't support dual monitors. Not impressed with Windows 11 so far..
 
M76 said:
7th gen cpu. Which makes it the second most modern system in my house. Out of 6. This smells of planned obsolescence to me.
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i thought those had tpm just needed a bios update? if you really want it, just run setup from the iso and click continue at the warning.
 
Icecold said:
Upgraded a machine from 10 to 11. Seemed to go smooth enough, but having some major issues. I run SQL Server 2014 Express on this machine for a proprietary application. It seemingly hosed my SQL install, the SQL service won't start any more, and the SQL error log is vague at best.

I also RDP from this machine to a Windows 10 pro machine. It will no longer RDP to that machine and says 'An authentication error has occurred (Code: 0x800706be)' without ever even prompting for username and password. I downloaded the Windows store rdp app, and that does connect, but seemingly doesn't support dual monitors. Not impressed with Windows 11 so far..
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this is why they have the beta program, to test shit like this BEFORE release. might want to roll back for now....
 
pendragon1 said:
i thought those had tpm just needed a bios update? if you really want it, just run setup from the iso and click continue at the warning.
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Nope, all CPUs from 7th gen are no go except for the HEDT line. Doesn't installing from iso require a cd key? I don't have one the laptop came with w10 preinstalled.

As for people being unhappy either way, imagine that. Two wrongs doesn't make a right. How about just allowing users to decide if they want to upgrade? That's a rhetorical question MS has been trying to eradicate user choice for years.
 
M76 said:
Nope, all CPUs from 7th gen are no go except for the HEDT line. Doesn't installing from iso require a cd key? I don't have one the laptop came with w10 preinstalled.

As for people being unhappy either way, imagine that. Two wrongs doesn't make a right. How about just allowing users to decide if they want to upgrade? That's a rhetorical question MS has been trying to eradicate user choice for years.
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ah. no, it will just act like an upgrade and use the existing key.
 
pendragon1 said:
this is why they have the beta program, to test shit like this BEFORE release. might want to roll back for now....
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Yeah, definitely. FWIW I knew the risk going in. I work in IT(sort of), so upgrading one of my own workstations was kind of the beta test before rolling out to other users. Seeing how much it blew up, we're going to tread lightly on Windows 11 for the time being.
 
M76 said:
Nope, all CPUs from 7th gen are no go except for the HEDT line. Doesn't installing from iso require a cd key? I don't have one the laptop came with w10 preinstalled.

As for people being unhappy either way, imagine that. Two wrongs doesn't make a right. How about just allowing users to decide if they want to upgrade? That's a rhetorical question MS has been trying to eradicate user choice for years.
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If the machine came pre-installed with Windows 10, the key is built into the BIOS - Windows won't even ask you for it...

...which is a pain in the @$$ if you did a manual upgrade from HOME to PRO, because it's gonna install HOME, every time.
 
mvmiller12 said:
If the machine came pre-installed with Windows 10, the key is built into the BIOS - Windows won't even ask you for it...

...which is a pain in the @$$ if you did a manual upgrade from HOME to PRO, because it's gonna install HOME, every time.
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Yes HWID activations are a PIA, there are workarounds some which are not legal but PIA nonetheless!
 
after installing - just in terms of initial look and feel: it's winbuntu?
 
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