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The upper mid range is where the sales are anyways. If they can get a card close to 2070/1080 performance at a significantly lower price, then they are gonna get some of that desperately needed market share.
The upper mid range is where the sales are anyways. If they can get a card close to 2070/1080 performance at a significantly lower price, then they are gonna get some of that desperately needed market share.
That's exactly where I expect the top small navi. V64 +15% is faster than a 1080, it contradicts the 2070/1080 mark estimate on the bottom line, I don't expect it to go that fast out of the box, more like V56-64/2070/1080 area of speed. Many tweaked vegas will do +15% anyway.
It's still GCN...
AMD wants to sell cards it has a few things going for them but one of them not so much , marketing is AMD their weak spot.As we can see from how popular these rumors are, they are an effective marketing tool for AMD when they are not releasing new products. How many people are saying wait for Navi now which is a familiar mantra which we have heart anytime Nvidia releases something with nothing from AMD in the competing market.
No one ever said wait for anything it is the people that are driving forums with their own opinion. I would even suspect that some of the Nvidia guerilla marketing does this to ridicule AMD fans by rubbing it in badly after people waited for so long and felt let down.The sad thing is, the same occurred with wait for Fiji, wait for Polaris, wait for Vega. Considering the performance of the actual product has performed at the bottom rung in terms of expectations and well below that of rumors(check the previous rumors/expectations thread), you would have expected people to smarten up by now. But nope. AMD is just making the rumors more juicy this time so people can't resist.
If you crunch some numbers on Navi with 12nm vs 7nm process you would get something near 300 Watt and the performance slightly below Vega56 . Those numbers do not seem that terrible at all but nothing special either. And that is why the 150 Watt number should not be that far fetched and the rest of the line up (Navi 12) does reflect the same power usage nothing that screams impossible...
AMD wants to sell cards it has a few things going for them but one of them not so much , marketing is AMD their weak spot.
No one ever said wait for anything it is the people that are driving forums with their own opinion. I would even suspect that some of the Nvidia guerilla marketing does this to ridicule AMD fans by rubbing it in badly after people waited for so long and felt let down.
Why as an adult would people be led by rumours this whole argument reeks. It does not matter how juicy because no one that has bought a RTX card is looking for something as Vega +15% performance. The only thing that is worthwhile is the price performance ratio which is incredibly good (shocker for people who buy AMD?).
Rumours or not why would someone as AdoredTV let himself be used for purposely revealing false information and why would AMD purposely lead AdoredTV on that is a recipe for burned bridges. It is the biggest lose lose scenario no one wins this makes no sense whatsoever .....
AMD’s problems are far bigger than “Poor Volta”.
They are lacking an entire ecosystema behind their hardware compared to NVIDIA.
So to sum up:
-Bad marketing
-Hardware consuming more power for less/same performance.
-The lack of a software eco-system (CUDA is thaugth at schools eg.)
So the marketing, the hardware and software is a problem for AMD...and AdorkTV is just AMD PR to me...
If you crunch some numbers on Navi with 12nm vs 7nm process you would get something near 300 Watt and the performance slightly below Vega56 . Those numbers do not seem that terrible at all but nothing special either. And that is why the 150 Watt number should not be that far fetched and the rest of the line up (Navi 12) does reflect the same power usage nothing that screams impossible...
AMD wants to sell cards it has a few things going for them but one of them not so much , marketing is AMD their weak spot.
No one ever said wait for anything it is the people that are driving forums with their own opinion. I would even suspect that some of the Nvidia guerilla marketing does this to ridicule AMD fans by rubbing it in badly after people waited for so long and felt let down.
Why as an adult would people be led by rumours this whole argument reeks. It does not matter how juicy because no one that has bought a RTX card is looking for something as Vega +15% performance. The only thing that is worthwhile is the price performance ratio which is incredibly good (shocker for people who buy AMD?).
Rumours or not why would someone as AdoredTV let himself be used for purposely revealing false information and why would AMD purposely lead AdoredTV on that is a recipe for burned bridges. It is the biggest lose lose scenario no one wins this makes no sense whatsoever .....
That is the worst case of apples and oranges ever Navi is way different from Polaris and Vega. Maybe you should check AMD Horizon video where it is explained what the 7nm process is explained on power/performance.We have no Navi power consumption figures on 12nm, so how can we crunch numbers for 7nm's? The only figures we have to go on, is GCN current iterations with Vega and Polaris and the numbers we have for Vega 20 which is already 7nm's. And if we take these numbers, it does not paint a favorable picture towards those expectations.
The reason why Adored would let himself get used is people have short memory and he likes the hits and views. He made similarly optimistic predictions about Vega(initially), polaris and Fiji. People forget how wrong he was about Polaris and Fiji. And AMD guerrilla marketing tactics are much smarter nowadays because the leaks come from people not tied to AMD directly anymore. That means they don't get their hands dirty and do it from a proxy on behalf of AMD. This is the best way for dirty work to be done. Doing it directly can have negative consequences which AMD learned the hard way.
As it turned out, lying to people and being directly tied to AMD in forums is a bad thing. People wanted to lynch him after and he also got fired. So how you can you use this form of marketing without the fallout? Basically do what AMD I suspect has been doing every since.
Seed fake leaks and even if the products don't line up with expectations, there is no fallout because none of this can be linked to AMD. However, what you will notice is there are people that come on this board and other boards with new account that support these rumors and disappear shortly after.
Nvidia will outsell AMD anyway regardless of what AMD has to offer...
But it does not have any influence on the price (which was the comment about). Nvidia can ask any price and people will pay for it.McDonalds makes the most money from selling food than other restaurants. That should only matter to folks who are shareholders.
But it does not have any influence on the price (which was the comment about). Nvidia can ask any price and people will pay for it.
I don't think they will surpass a 1080ti, but maybe at least they will work and not play any space invaders?
I wish they would bring a high end card to the table, but I doubt it. Sucks.
if they launch mid range navi then you are looking at vega 64+ 10-15% performance. This is the reason I am leaning towards them launching navi. Rumors were Navis is shaping out to be better than they expected. So if its already vega +15% then there is not much incentive to launch vega 2 unless vega 2 has significantly improved in the IPC in gaming and competing in between 2080-2080ti. I am leaning more towards mid range navi announcement and launch earlier then expected since rumors were its shaping out to be better.
You afraid that millions of Nvidia users might buy this by accident? Hey it says 3080 on the box okay it must be NvidiaAll I hope is that AMD does NOT follow the "30X0" naming system.
Its an obvious and cheap trick.
I had a very funny response to this one but I settled for the cold hard truth.So NVIDIA is a the only company in the world that is not afected by supply and demand?
Take a step back and look at your hyperbole...
You afraid that millions of Nvidia users might buy this by accident? Hey it says 3080 on the box okay it must be Nvidia
If it sticks with the Ryzen 3000 series then I can't see that AMD has no valid opportunity for doing this on their graphics card.
I had a very funny response to this one but I settled for the cold hard truth.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/16/nvi...er-as-demand-for-mining-chips-evaporates.html
So when you made let us say 40 million extra chips that were intended for use in those mining GTX 1080/1070 and now start selling them as GTX 1060. And still no price drops on those new 1070/1080 cards?
Or did I miss the parts that the 1070 and 1080 are selling way below msrp now ?
That is not what I said ...Your are just confirming my point...NIVIDIA is affected by supple and demand...just like all other companies...aka drop the hyperbole.
And where is the logic connected to that statement ?Vega64 got a performance like 1080, I expect to see 2070 performances easly
And where is the logic connected to that statement ?
I have seen people getting along fine , I here by demand world peace, not likely to happen is it ?
There in a different price bracketI do not know if those new AMD cards named "3070" will be the new AMD high end, or just replace the old 580s/590s, but if there are releasing something along the lines of Mid-High/HighEnd they should be aiming for a perf like the 2070 to remaing competitive don't you think so?
All I hope is that AMD does NOT follow the "30X0" naming system.
Its an obvious and cheap trick.
Yep, definately. Gotta spend at least as much on videocards as your desk.Hell, buy 4 and be really [H]
Navi initially appears to be the Polaris replacement. It is rumored to be far ahead of schedule so we should see it announced with a spring release. That still leaves Vega2 7nm. Scrap it, release it for home market? If it can do 1080ti level I think AMD will launch it and hold on until high-end Navi ships later on.
This makes sense to me. Even with the cost of HBM (when is this not going to be an issue?) I hope AMD can make Vega2 more affordable then what Nvidia is pulling.I think if vega 2 is performing in between 2080 and 2080ti then they will likely release it as high end. That avoids them having to leave a whole at the high end while they release navi. I think That could easily last until their next-gen card for 2020 launch. It will make total sense to have Navi at mid-range and vega competing with 2080 at the higher end.
AMD’s problems are far bigger than “Poor Volta”.
They are lacking an entire ecosystema behind their hardware compared to NVIDIA.
So to sum up:
-Bad marketing
-Hardware consuming more power for less/same performance.
-The lack of a software eco-system (CUDA is thaugth at schools eg.)
So the marketing, the hardware and software is a problem for AMD...and AdorkTV is just AMD PR to me...
This makes sense to me. Even with the cost of HBM (when is this not going to be an issue?) I hope AMD can make Vega2 more affordable then what Nvidia is pulling.
If vega II performs between a 2080 and 2080ti and they price it at $599, undercutting the 2080 by $100-$200, I don't see how they wouldn't make money. Hbm2 isn't that expensive or they'd have lost money on every v56 and v64 sold - and we know those cards were financially successful for them in the mining boom at msrp - it was resellers that marked them way up. The v64 was a $499 card, so unless each 7nm chip costs them $100 more than the 14nm equivalent (not remotely likely) they'll be in the money at $599 and likely more profitable than vega64 to boot.
I'm sorry, but from what I've seen so far, dlss and ray tracing aren't worth $50 more, let alone $100-$200.
If vega II performs between a 2080 and 2080ti and they price it at $599, undercutting the 2080 by $100-$200, I don't see how they wouldn't make money. Hbm2 isn't that expensive or they'd have lost money on every v56 and v64 sold - and we know those cards were financially successful for them in the mining boom at msrp - it was resellers that marked them way up. The v64 was a $499 card, so unless each 7nm chip costs them $100 more than the 14nm equivalent (not remotely likely) they'll be in the money at $599 and likely more profitable than vega64 to boot.
I'm sorry, but from what I've seen so far, dlss and ray tracing aren't worth $50 more, let alone $100-$200.