Why Young Men Would Rather Play Video Games Than Get A Job

[Wrecked Em]

This is hardly a new trend:

 

[defaultluser]

People are still paying some stupid money for older Steam accounts. I never really got why either. The explanations I have heard make very little sense.

So they can collect all those pointless medals in CS:GO, like the 5 year veteran one I got just for logging on.

Completionist colllectors are completionist collectors. There's no rhyme or reason to it. This is the same reason they'll pay ungodly sums of money for accessories like knives that do nothing for them.

 

[defaultluser]

Got sent to Vietnam or sat around in a van down by the river smoking devil weed and molesting cousins.

Yeah, the 70s were incredibly boring after the war ended

There was only tons of shit happening in the middle east. much like today. And if it was the right day of the week, you had the pleasure of sitting in one of these:

No wonder video games are so popular?

 

[nutzo]

When starting pay for a 5 year experience job is 25% or less of the cost of a starter home, wut do you do?

Wut do you do when you have 70k loans, and a 250k mortgage, and make 60k?

Homes are cheap where you live. Try Southern California.
I just looked at my neighborhood on Zillow and a 2,500 sqft 4 bedroom home runs around $800,000. The cheapest home was a 1,370 sqft, 3 bedroom home for $650,000.
Even if I was making 2x my current pay, I could no longer qualify for a loan buy my current home. Luckily I purchased it 20 years ago when prices where less than 1/3 the current rate.

How do you save 20% ($160,000) and afford a $640,000 mortgage on the average local pay of around $70,000 a year?

 

[MaZa]

I've been told by female friends that most gamers they have dated have small 'packages' and are terrible in bed. Can any hardcore gamers here confirm that?

Well mine is small traveling size but it grows when needed. Quite useful i say!

 

[Deleted member 204526]

A big part of what motivated young men to get out and work hard was attracting women, keeping them, then starting a family with them. The proverbial milk has never been easier to get for free, and the price has become far too high when you do have to pay for it. We're quick to yell at these young guys, "Be a man!" but what does that even mean these days? Do we admonish young ladies to "be a woman"? When we try and shame these guys into being men, it's really for the benefit of women.

 

[Lord Risky]

Well mine is small traveling size but it grows when needed. Quite useful i say!

A guy drops his pants and his date laughs while saying who are you going to please with that......and he says me.

 

[collegeboy69us]

34 year old nerdy game loving guy checking in.

Went to school, and been working ever since. I love video games, but don't get me wrong, after a few days holed up in the house, eating nothing but pizza, and sitting around in my underwear gaming... yeah that's not sustainable. Besides the obvious question "who's going to pay for it", it's terrible for your heatlh and overall well being. I like working on my house, doing projects, building/improving things. It's satisfying as hell paying my own bills and saving money and being able to say *I* did this.

I hate going to work - but as much as I dislike it, it allows me income, and to be 100% independant. I pay my mortgage, and everything I have is mine. I do whatever the hell I want and answer to no one. A certain type of freedom less and less people seem to understand.

I can totally understand a late 20s early 30's kid moving back home with parents in rough times till they get back on their feet. But to embrace it and be happy about it? I would look at them exactly as I look at anyone else who mooches off others in life. I love my folks but I'd lose my mind if I had to live with them again.

I'm sure we will see more and more these kids who just "gave up" on life and lived with mom and dad, when they money runs out and they have no skills or no experience to bring to the table, they will show up for handouts from the goverment for a problem that's entirely their own fault.

 

[collegeboy69us]

A big part of what motivated young men to get out and work hard was attracting women, keeping them, then starting a family with them. The proverbial milk has never been easier to get for free, and the price has become far too high when you do have to pay for it. We're quick to yell at these young guys, "Be a man!" but what does that even mean these days? Do we admonish young ladies to "be a woman"? When we try and shame these guys into being men, it's really for the benefit of women.

The trend I notice is that nobody knows what they want anymore. Men or women. As a man, the one thing that pops out more and more often, is that women want to have their cake and eat it to, they want to be independant and on their own, but still demand all the traditonal actions and roles. Some of the conversations I've had with women on the topic are almost mind bogglingly retarded in terms of their expectations. I'm 100% for equal pay for equal work, but equality is a two way street. It's funny how quick some women's views change moment to moment to suit their desires. When the check comes, ask to go dutch and see just how quick their attitude changes

I'm still on the hunt for that one special woman... the kind who handles her shit, I handle mine, and you are happy together. Sounds so simple, alas it's not. I'm totally happy to admit I'd rather crank one out on PornHub than go out and blow $50-$100 on some chick and pretend to give a damn about anything she has to say all for a small *chance* at something happening.

 

[wizdum]

I'm finding it difficult to translate the currency in this. Are you expecting to pay off a starter house within a few years or something?

$60k/year is roughly half of what you would need to get paid in order to afford a $500k house, going by the bank's general debt-income ratio. And thats only if you have no other debts. So no car to get you to your $60k job, no credit card debt, and no college debt.

 

[Gorankar]

I've been told by female friends that most gamers they have dated have small 'packages' and are terrible in bed. Can any hardcore gamers here confirm that?

If that makes you feel better about your own shortcomings, you can believe that. Why not?

 

[Darunion]

If that makes you feel better about your own shortcomings, you can believe that. Why not?

its always 'about a friend' isnt it? lol

seriously though if someone is bringing up package sizes in this conversation, might want to sit and talk to someone about esteem.

 

[Dr. Righteous]

Homes are cheap where you live. Try Southern California.
I just looked at my neighborhood on Zillow and a 2,500 sqft 4 bedroom home runs around $800,000. The cheapest home was a 1,370 sqft, 3 bedroom home for $650,000.
Even if I was making 2x my current pay, I could no longer qualify for a loan buy my current home. Luckily I purchased it 20 years ago when prices where less than 1/3 the current rate.

How do you save 20% ($160,000) and afford a $640,000 mortgage on the average local pay of around $70,000 a year?

When I had to go to San Jose for training I listened to a lot of the locals complain about the outrageous cost of living in CA. Simple solution. Move. There are good jobs all over the place
looking for qualified technical people. Not a know-nothing with a liberal arts degree. You could make near what you make here with half the cost of living. They wouldn't hear it. They would never dream of leaving CA.
Same with with listening to people that work in NYC or Boston, Philly, etc. MOVE. They wouldn't dream of it.
If you are not willing to relocate for sake finacial freedom then don't complain.

In 1993 I had to sell most of my stuff, load the rest of my meager belongings in a 5x8 U-haul trailer and relocate to another state for the sake of some kind of future. There are no jobs where I'm from
unless you want to be a farm hand or a grocery store clerk. I had to leave all my family, my friends, and strike out alone. But man, it is the best decision I ever made. Man it was not easy but at least there was some opportunities.

 

[spacecowboy863]

these are the same guys who didn't excel in life but live in a fantasy world leveling up their WOW accts. and the parents who let them do it shouldnt complain either....

 

[Converge]

Unless they are a successful twitch streamer...

Yeah I was gonna say.... some of these guys make good money, especially if they are on a team. look at all the optic kids. only thing is... they all need to play like 12 to 18 hours a day. screw that... not only would I not be able to do that but I would get worse at whatever I was playing after a few hours.

 

[CanonicalAbstract]

I'll gladly take a day where I do nothing but play video games and chill but the last I checked, I need to keep a roof over my head...

 

[kohl]

Lazy kids being enabled by awful parents is nothing new, and you could replace playing computer games with just about anything else. I know it sounds cliche, but why not treat RL like your MMO and level up your own damn skills? If you hate your job (most jobs out of college will suck and won't pay a lot), then use the opportunity to gain some experience so you can move on to a job that doesn't suck. Nothing annoys me more than losers who have been working at the same dead end job for years and turn into bitter, bitchy people. You don't like it? Go someplace else! Learn skills that will put you in demand.

 

[cptnjarhead]

Strange, had a discussion about this kind of thing just yesterday. People change things in their lives out of necessity. My father told me two weeks after i graduated high school, "its time to pay rent" A few days later i moved into a crappy apartment with a friend, cause if im going to pay rent i might as well be living under my own roof. As a parent of two kids, one in college the other getting married next year i can tell you that children will only change out of necessity. Who wouldn't rather play video games, watch movies or whatever instead of working, but that does not pay the bills. The article points to the rewards of video games, yet a video game is not real, so who the hell would put a virtual reward over getting a paycheck and being responsible for you own existence? Work sucks, that's why they call it work, if you want to be happy and have fun while making money, its called a career and some have been lucky enough to do what they love and make a living at the same time, but for many.... its just a job to pay the bills. So you dont feel rewarded at work big deal. I tell my kids, sometimes life will kick your ass for no reason, just Man up!

 

[NickJames]

Yeah I was gonna say.... some of these guys make good money, especially if they are on a team. look at all the optic kids. only thing is... they all need to play like 12 to 18 hours a day. screw that... not only would I not be able to do that but I would get worse at whatever I was playing after a few hours.

Yeah the twitch thing seems fun until you realize the ones making over 250K+/year are literally reality show personas. These people live in front of the camera 12+ hours a day, sometimes even longer as mobile streaming has gotten popular so they just start streaming themselves goofing around outside. I would do this for about 4 years until I accumulate a nice nest egg and retire to do something else.

 

[Darunion]

Yeah I was gonna say.... some of these guys make good money, especially if they are on a team. look at all the optic kids. only thing is... they all need to play like 12 to 18 hours a day. screw that... not only would I not be able to do that but I would get worse at whatever I was playing after a few hours.

Yea, the hard part is always deciding if what you really enjoy is something you want to do for work. Often it can take the joy out of it.

 

[StoleMyOwnCar]

^ Overjustification effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmmm, let's see...given the choice, you can work your ass off all day or you can lounge around the house on the sofa and play video games. Boy that's a real tough choice right there. It's a mystery to me why any young guy would rather play video games than work.

Oh I don't know? Pride? Self sufficiency? Independence? The ability to more easily attract mates?

Jokes aside, the job market is kind of fierce these days. Your genetic ineptitudes and general incompetencies are probably things that make people feel scared and complacent. Much of it is probably perceived, because let's face it: most people are only halfway competent, at best.

Strange, had a discussion about this kind of thing just yesterday. People change things in their lives out of necessity. My father told me two weeks after i graduated high school, "its time to pay rent" A few days later i moved into a crappy apartment with a friend, cause if im going to pay rent i might as well be living under my own roof. As a parent of two kids, one in college the other getting married next year i can tell you that children will only change out of necessity. Who wouldn't rather play video games, watch movies or whatever instead of working, but that does not pay the bills. The article points to the rewards of video games, yet a video game is not real, so who the hell would put a virtual reward over getting a paycheck and being responsible for you own existence? Work sucks, that's why they call it work, if you want to be happy and have fun while making money, its called a career and some have been lucky enough to do what they love and make a living at the same time, but for many.... its just a job to pay the bills. So you dont feel rewarded at work big deal. I tell my kids, sometimes life will kick your ass for no reason, just Man up!

I kind of disagree, here. There was no necessity for me to move out of my mom's place nor was I given any deadline. The thing is, I had already experienced living on my own, both in college dorms and otherwise, and had a lot of the taste of having utter freedom and autonomy. So really the best thing to do imo is let your kids have a good taste of that... to the point where they get hooked on it... and suddenly they won't need as much incentive. Next, make them slowly start paying for their current housing. Maybe they'll move back in with the parents, but at that point they'll probably have had too much of a good taste at the freedom of having their own place to really be satisfied.

Though as I noted above the issue is with the job market and being scared of it. Some people might just be depressed and feel it's hopeless.

When I had to go to San Jose for training I listened to a lot of the locals complain about the outrageous cost of living in CA. Simple solution. Move. There are good jobs all over the place
looking for qualified technical people. Not a know-nothing with a liberal arts degree. You could make near what you make here with half the cost of living. They wouldn't hear it. They would never dream of leaving CA.
Same with with listening to people that work in NYC or Boston, Philly, etc. MOVE. They wouldn't dream of it.
If you are not willing to relocate for sake finacial freedom then don't complain.

In 1993 I had to sell most of my stuff, load the rest of my meager belongings in a 5x8 U-haul trailer and relocate to another state for the sake of some kind of future. There are no jobs where I'm from
unless you want to be a farm hand or a grocery store clerk. I had to leave all my family, my friends, and strike out alone. But man, it is the best decision I ever made. Man it was not easy but at least there was some opportunities.

There are some good spots for both housing price and salary. GA has some good place to work, and the living fees are still quite reasonable in many places, depending on the commute you're willing to drive. I kind of disagree with just saying Liberal Arts is know-nothing... some of those degrees can get jobs, but it's true that the current job market is highly technology oriented.

The trend I notice is that nobody knows what they want anymore. Men or women. As a man, the one thing that pops out more and more often, is that women want to have their cake and eat it to, they want to be independant and on their own, but still demand all the traditonal actions and roles. Some of the conversations I've had with women on the topic are almost mind bogglingly retarded in terms of their expectations. I'm 100% for equal pay for equal work, but equality is a two way street. It's funny how quick some women's views change moment to moment to suit their desires. When the check comes, ask to go dutch and see just how quick their attitude changes

This is so freaking true. That's why feminism is retarded to me. "I want more rights for women, like everyone else, but I also want women to be treated special, unlike everyone else. But only in ways that don't slightly 'offend' us". Like what do they want? A breadwinner? Then they need to take over more traditional gender roles, not ones that just suit them and them alone. Our current world is actually far tipped towards women. Like the scales have gone from one side to the other. Complete gender equality doesn't make sense to me anyway because our genders aren't the same. They're different. They have different specializations and strengths, on average. Women simply aren't the same as men. Physically or mentally. Whenever I get the idea that any woman is a feminist, I instantly give her the pass. No thanks.

 

[D1RTYD1Z619]

And in a related story water is wet.

 

[M76]

When I left college and was unemployed. I felt terrible. I don't know how someone can be comfortable living like a freeloader.

 

[CanonicalAbstract]

I'll gladly take a day where I do nothing but play video games and chill but the last I checked, I need to keep a roof over my head...

 

[OutOfPhase]

Why does anyone allow this to happen? My brother was kicked out of the house the second he turned 18 because his plan was basically to freeload. Parents said NOPE. Now he's a senior engineer, owns a home, has a great family, etc. Was it bumpy at first, hell yes. But he grew up. He had to.

Don't enable people to engage in self-destructive behavior. We have to push the birdies out of the nest if they don't want to fly.

And in what reality is contributing to society "not emotionally fulfilling", but getting another prestige level in COLLADOODY is? Man, this just reeks of bad parenting all over.

 

[Deleted member 82943]

Solution: parents kick these kids out. They will either get jobs to survive or become bums either way society wins.

 

[Dr. Righteous]

There are some good spots for both housing price and salary. GA has some good place to work, and the living fees are still quite reasonable in many places, depending on the commute you're willing to drive. I kind of disagree with just saying Liberal Arts is know-nothing... some of those degrees can get jobs, but it's true that the current job market is highly technology oriented.

The current job trends are for technically skilled labor. A shift has taken place where blue collar worker must be technically trained and skilled BEFORE the get the job. Good paying jobs are technical in nature and it is not the employers job to provide you an education. That is on you. There are plenty of jobs that only do require a little OJT; pushing boxes back and forth in a warehouse for instance. But don't expect that to put your kids through college and provide great heath care.

Unfortunately people now a days think they are Too Good to get their hands dirty. On the low end they are going to line up and demand $15/hr to work at McDonalds. McDonalds has already made a decision they are not going to try to sell a $20 Big Mac; they are planning on replacing most of the restaurant staff with kiosks. On the high end; those waving a college degree around; they find the skill they gained are worthless because there is little demand for that skill and they end up at McDonalds anyway. .

Take a look at this:

 

[nvgrim]

Sure but I mean... where is this dude living? With Mommy and Daddy? I would rather cut my toes off than live at a parent's house as an adult. Not that I had that option, mind you. After 18 then graduate high school and I was outta there and never looked back. In fact I sold all my precious computer stuff and games to pay for rent/food/gas/beer.

People like this, who just give up on life and mooch off their parents forever (I know a couple... not friends) just make me ill. If I was this guys parent I would either throw him out or march him to Best Buy for a job. Or maybe even Gamestop... you like games so much, now you get to sell them instead of play them. hahahaha



You get an apartment. And a roommate if needed. I work with guys in their 30's who still have roommates, they make good money but they'd prefer to blow it on toys and split the rent.

Yep, i make over 60k right now and still live in a cheap ass apt because id rather spend money on other things right now. Eventually ill get a house,kids,wife,etc, but for now im enjoying life.

 

[Hooksalot]

Why is there even a choice here for this young leech, oops I mean Man. I am 50. I have 4 girls and 1 boy. My rules are as follows.

1) Must start looking for a job at age 15 (My son of 14 already has one)
2) Must have a job through completion of college
3) No job no school sports, functions, parties, etc.
4) If you want a car you must pay for car, fuel, insurance, services, etc on your own
5) If you want to go to a local college and stay at home that is fine, but you must have a job and help around house (not monetary, just cooking and other things)
6) If for any reason you drop out of college you have 2 months to find a place and move out of house
7) If you don't go to college you have 2 months to find a place and move out of house after graduation from high school (unless you go into military)
8) Once you have graduated from college you have 6 months to get out of house
9) If you do not have a place to live after the above has been met then you pay rent of 300 a month plus 1/7 of Internet, utilities, cable, and grocery bill

I must be an ass of a Dad but the oldest 2 are married and living on their own with college educations. 1 getting ready to go to college and has a job, a 14 year old son that mows lawns in summer and works at Culvers part time, and a 12 year old who has not worked yet.

This is nothing but the product of lazy parenting.

 

[Armenius]

I think the Occam's razor explanation would be:

Job market tighter than it used to be. Men who have trouble finding work also play videogames while unemployed.

Indeed. I played video games all day, but I also had a goal of putting in at least 2 job applications a day. Unfortunately I graduated college at the start of the economic downturn, so it took me 3 freaking years to finally land a job...

Looks at the cheapest 2 bedroom for 500k
Looks at want ads with 5 years experience min, and a BA
Looks at pay at starting 60k
Realizes starting pay is over 8 times less that the cost of the average starter home in the area

Opps out...

Hell i make less than 25 bucks an hour by a large margin, but no loans, and houses around here cost as much as bmw's


When starting pay for a 5 year experience job is 25% or less of the cost of a starter home, wut do you do?

Wut do you do when you have 70k loans, and a 250k mortgage, and make 60k?

You save up money for a down payment and closing cost, and budget 30% of your net monthly income to your mortgage payment. If $60k is your take home, that means you can afford up to a $1,500 mortgage payment. If you take out a 30-year mortgage on $250,000 with an interest rate of 3.17%, you can easily afford that and your student loan payments on a net $60k/year and still have enough left over for necessities and other bills.

 

[Stoly]

I wish I could go back to my mom's house and play games all day

 

[Bankie]

A big part of what motivated young men to get out and work hard was attracting women, keeping them, then starting a family with them. The proverbial milk has never been easier to get for free, and the price has become far too high when you do have to pay for it. We're quick to yell at these young guys, "Be a man!" but what does that even mean these days? Do we admonish young ladies to "be a woman"? When we try and shame these guys into being men, it's really for the benefit of women.

Shaming men is so normal that most people don't even pay attention to it. My place of work is doing a campaign for Breast Cancer Awareness stating, "Real Men Wear Pink". A FWB of mine works in marketing and when I tried to explain to her that it was shaming she couldn't even comprehend it. I asked her what would happen if they did a "Real Women Have Short Hair", "Real Women Workout", or "Real Women Have An Hourglass Shape" and she just waved it off when it's obvious that any professional company that tried to pull it off would be immediately and harshly attacked over it. Hell that doesn't even address the fact that more men die of cancer than women ever year yet 3x more money go towards a single cancer that mainly affects women than all of the other cancers that kill multitudes more of women AND men alike.

It is what it is. In the current society 90% of men are basically considered to be disposable, a majority of the women feel that they're entitled to a top-tier man (Studies have shown that as women earn more they expect their SO to earn even more than them), marriage is likely to end in divorce which will normally wreck a man's future, and young men are seeing that it's all a shit deal and losing motivation.

 

[wizdum]

Indeed. I played video games all day, but I also had a goal of putting in at least 2 job applications a day. Unfortunately I graduated college at the start of the economic downturn, so it took me 3 freaking years to finally land a job...

You save up money for a down payment and closing cost, and budget 30% of your net monthly income to your mortgage payment. If $60k is your take home, that means you can afford up to a $1,500 mortgage payment. If you take out a 30-year mortgage on $250,000 with an interest rate of 3.17%, you can easily afford that and your student loan payments on a net $60k/year and still have enough left over for necessities and other bills.

He said the cheapest 2 bedroom was $500k, so you want him to save up $250,000 as a down payment?

 

[lcpiper]

It's starting to look that way.

I suppose I could google this and see what it is but I am not certain I can care enough to make it worthwhile.

Spending all day alone grinding on a game isn't fun. It might trigger the effort/reward circuit in the brain and take up your time, but these guys have essentially opted out of society because they don't see a place for themselves in it. I think it's too easy to write them off as lazy and I'd bet that there's plenty of them with a decent education. Some people just need more help than others.

I agree, but the reasons they don't see a place for themselves is because they believe all the bullshit that people keep spouting about how there is no work, that they can't get started, etc. In truth, no matter how well informed they believe themselves to be, they are in fact, ignorant of how to get started.

For instance, they will create their first resume and google a bunch of jobs and submit their resumes and get no where .... and give up.

But they do not know that they should look at a job description and rewrite their resume for the job if they really want it. That doesn't mean lie, it means address all the points the employer has expressed as needs. Now a new guy doesn't have much to work with but if the position is entry level and the applicant has any relevant training then there is sure to be some middle ground to build on.

I have also seen young people get fixated on things in a job listing that they don't meet almost as if they are looking for what will disqualify them. On the one hand it's true, almost every job has some "must haves", but for entry level jobs, the must haves may be listed but they frequently are not truly requirements. or in many cases, a new hire has time to attain the requirement. Many IT jobs in the Army contracting sector require Comptia's Security+ and it's a must have, (but the small print is, "or you must obtain it within 90 days of hire").

The jobs are out there. Sometimes a person needs to be willing to move to the job, sometimes you have to pick up a certification or other requirement.

In the end, you have to make up your mind to do what you have to do, to get what you want, and that is really all it comes down to regardless of your work experience, age, or job sector.

 

[Makaveli@BETA]

Then why the hell did I get a job? I could have just stayed at my parents house and played games all day.

Seriously, this is not a new problem, the world has always had lazy adult babies, this is just a new wave of blaming everything on some random activity.

Although... I am a software developer, so I do kinda play on the computer all day.

You did it so you could have access to real women

I don't know any successful and intelligent woman that would ever be with a man that lives with his parents. By staying home a person would be cutting themselves off from a good chunk of good women.

But some guys prefer to be married to pornhub while the rest of us prefer the real thing.

I know one guys in my circle of friends that gave up on life like this. His parents eventually got sick of his shit gave him the boot and he is on government assistance fumbling long through live living one place for a few months then another place a few months later that isn't the life I would want for myself. At that point I would considering myself a failure, I have too much pride and too much self worth to ever allow that.

The trend I notice is that nobody knows what they want anymore. Men or women. As a man, the one thing that pops out more and more often, is that women want to have their cake and eat it to, they want to be independant and on their own, but still demand all the traditonal actions and roles. Some of the conversations I've had with women on the topic are almost mind bogglingly retarded in terms of their expectations. I'm 100% for equal pay for equal work, but equality is a two way street. It's funny how quick some women's views change moment to moment to suit their desires. When the check comes, ask to go dutch and see just how quick their attitude changes

I'm still on the hunt for that one special woman... the kind who handles her shit, I handle mine, and you are happy together. Sounds so simple, alas it's not. I'm totally happy to admit I'd rather crank one out on PornHub than go out and blow $50-$100 on some chick and pretend to give a damn about anything she has to say all for a small *chance* at something happening.

Nail on the head.

80% of the woman I know don't know how to pick men.

I've been watching most of my girlfriends over the last 15 or years they may be smart and good with careers but choosing a partner totally retarded. Most of them are now single parents because of poor choices in a mate.

Then there is the women that want equal rights but only when its convenient for them. One of my sisters best friends says she won't take out the garbage. And I'm like wait so you contribute to the garbage in the whole house yet its beneath you to take it out. If were gonna continue with that nonsense why doesn't everyone in the house have their own garbage bag then and you are responsible for your own. All I got after that was a blank stare and silence!

Viewing all this has made me super picky with women and I no longer just look at their physical appearance like I did in my youth. The other shit is far more important to sustain a long term relationship.

1. How does she handle her finances?
2. Does she even drive (I'm not a taxi)
3. Laziness and slobs are a no go and i've met some women that are just as messy as men.
4. Can I spend a weekend with her without her making me want to strangle her for stupid shit.
5. Big one lacking common sense!

Right now these 5 things matter more to me than what she looks like.

 

[M76]

Why is there even a choice here for this young leech, oops I mean Man. I am 50. I have 4 girls and 1 boy. My rules are as follows.

1) Must start looking for a job at age 15 (My son of 14 already has one)
2) Must have a job through completion of college
3) No job no school sports, functions, parties, etc.
4) If you want a car you must pay for car, fuel, insurance, services, etc on your own
5) If you want to go to a local college and stay at home that is fine, but you must have a job and help around house (not monetary, just cooking and other things)
6) If for any reason you drop out of college you have 2 months to find a place and move out of house
7) If you don't go to college you have 2 months to find a place and move out of house after graduation from high school (unless you go into military)
8) Once you have graduated from college you have 6 months to get out of house
9) If you do not have a place to live after the above has been met then you pay rent of 300 a month plus 1/7 of Internet, utilities, cable, and grocery bill

I must be an ass of a Dad but the oldest 2 are married and living on their own with college educations. 1 getting ready to go to college and has a job, a 14 year old son that mows lawns in summer and works at Culvers part time, and a 12 year old who has not worked yet.

This is nothing but the product of lazy parenting.

If you have to make up rules that means you failed as a parent. Because if you raise your kids with the right values, they do what's right without holding punishment above their heads.
I'm not judging that's just my observation. I'm not even claiming I could do better.

 

[Armenius]

He said the cheapest 2 bedroom was $500k, so you want him to save up $250,000 as a down payment?

The last line in the post I quoted:

Wut do you do when you have 70k loans, and a 250k mortgage, and make 60k?

 

[lcpiper]

If you have to make up rules that means you failed as a parent. Because if you raise your kids with the right values, they do what's right without holding punishment above their heads.
I'm not judging that's just my observation. I'm not even claiming I could do better.

You are looking at it wrong.

Now I am not arguing that a parent needs to focus on teaching values. But this is not a list of punishments. It's a list of requirements.

This is not failure, it's a solid list of expectations no different than a list of expectations an employer will demand, or a school requires for graduation.

 

[lostinseganet]

People are still paying some stupid money for older Steam accounts. I never really got why either. The explanations I have heard make very little sense.

They want to fake seniority...in steam. They can say they were a part of steam before it was cool.

 

[nvgrim]

He said the cheapest 2 bedroom was $500k, so you want him to save up $250,000 as a down payment?

who puts 50% down on a mortgage?