Why I Deleted My Steam Account

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I usually get banned or muted for my fart jokes. I kinda like having a few seriously disturbed and deranged people around any kind of internet forum, 'cause they'll be the magnets for hate and shitposting, not me.
 

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This fits the very definition of an SJW keyboard warrior. He saw something that he thinks other people would be offended by that the press is saying everyone is offended by and is now using his platform to call other keyboard warriors to arms to try and force Steam to do something about this by being the loudest group of offendatrons on the internet. Best thing to do is treat these people like trolls and don't feed them by giving them attention.

It's not about seeing them, it's about finding out they exist in the first place. If they exist, then something must be done about them.

I like how the example presented in the article doesn't show the number of members, and the last active discussion was in 2015 with 3 replies. Meaning this guy had to do a deep search to find the thing that would offend him.

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The other example given has 40 members. Steam has over 125 million active users, with over 10 million concurrent users at any given time. This isn't even a drop in a bucket.

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And how do you know who created this page? How do you know it wasn't created by the people are are calling attention to it because they wanted something to call attention to?

I don't agree that it's important for me to run around and police the world for hate-mongers. I can't get rid of them, they're like assholes and stomping one just breeds more. If they kill someone then there is a law and a judge and a jury, and a needle just for that. There is no reason to run around looking for them because trying to "fight" them only gives them more reasons to claim that they, ("white people" cause that's exactly how they will relate it, or "Black people", or whatever people they happen to be cause this is not a white only thing), are being persecuted.

And it doesn't have to be true to work, their audience already wants to believe them.
 

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Well, the whiners haven't killed thousands of innocent civilians like the alt-right have. So there's that.

It's not illegal to be a big, whiny baby. Parking a van full of fertiliser under a federal building is. Or mailing bombs to people that trigger your sensitivities, for that matter. Still, I'm actually a fan of these public alt-right groups. I'm a fan of keeping violent degenerates in places where they can be easily tracked, identified, and crushed out of society.

Governments shouldn't censor, but the social consequences for you conduct should always have the potential to be truly dire.

All of my pontificating aside. An article about a temper tantrum fuelled rage quit because you were exposed to idiots only makes the author look weak. Far too weak to deal with the consequences of publishing his thoughts on the internet. There will be future crying from this author, especially if he has made himself incapable of reviewing games and loses his job. Those are the sorts of tears ass holes like me want to bottle and sell.

Dude, this is just nonsense. THere have not been "thousands" of innocents killed by the "alt right" which didn't even exist until a few years ago. Even going by your retarded definition, and even going by the ADL's retarded definition that includes black sovereign citizens as "right wing terrorists" and any killing by a guy with a swastika in his house (regardless of motivation for the killing) as an example of "right wing extremism," and even going back a hundred years and including every lynching, you don't get anywhere near a thousand killings. All the lynchings in record add up to a couple hundred, which is fucking terrifying, but after 1930 the average is less than 1 per year in the USA. You referenced the McVeigh bombing, and he was by far the most successful right wing terrorist and he killed a whopping 168 people. The actual number of white supremacist killings, not including mcveih, in the last 30 years totals about 50 people, with 33 of those coming from a single event. Not including 9/11, which killed 3k people, muslims have killed over a hundred people in the last 20 years, even though they are 1% of the population. Left wing terrorists are responsible for the vast majority of attacks on police and property damage over the last 20 years, but have only killed about 23 people, most of which have been killed in recent history (10 in the last 2 years).

If you wanted to get really nit picky, I suppose we could point to all of the red terror killings in Europe during the 60's and 70's to say we should ban left wing groups? Or what about the millions killed by communism during the 20th century?
 

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Still haven't used Steam. The whole premise doesn't appeal to me =\
 

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Whats wrong with society? We can't even talk about Steam without degenerating into liberal/conservative SJW emotional trauma and a manifesto about the dangers of communism.
 

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Still haven't used Steam. The whole premise doesn't appeal to me =\

I thought the same many years ago. I didn't trust it. Put all my $$ into games in it. What happens if the studio decides to pull the game? What happens if Steam servers are down? I'm out a game and the cash.

But, I tried it with a cheap game one time (Steam sales), and loved it. Better than no-CD cracks and other ways around shit DRM. It just works. Now, it's so big, my complaints aren't that valid anymore. I still have a lot of eggs in one basket (and thousands of dollars invested in it), but I have a lot more trust in the platform.

But, to each their own. You're not wrong for not using it, and I'm not right. Just another product someone buys....
 

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What's sad is that people want you to stay silent, and staying silent speaks LOUDLY that you condone racism, and what really floors me is that so many in these forums approve of this, but try to cover their racism by calling you snowflakes..
 

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So do your part and actively fight against racism. Have you downed a statue today?

I thought this post was supposed to be about why someone decided to close their Steam account?
If you want to argue alt-left vs alt-right go to the Fox News forum - I think they left ONE comment section open somewhere on their website
 
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What's sad is that people want you to stay silent, and staying silent speaks LOUDLY that you condone racism, and what really floors me is that so many in these forums approve of this, but try to cover their racism by calling you snowflakes..

Stay silent about what?

I'm just trying to feel you out on this one.

Here is my first issue, hate is not unnatural. Go back to 1944, US Marines fighting the island hoping campaign against the Japanese. Warfare is brutal stuff and having your budies killed is brutal stuff and you can't just pick up and take your toys home when you've had enough so a person has to find a way to deal with that shit. One way is to hate your enemy and you can ask around and read but those guys who develop that kind of hate, the cure doesn't come easy for that. Most take that kind of hate to the grave because they took that hate in and used it to survive when they didn't believe they were going to make it. It was armor, it gave them the power to act when they were terrified. It's not an easy thing to let go of and I for one would not hold that kind of hate against a person. I would call it unfortunate and deal with it. That kind of person carrying that kind of hate would probably never kill someone over it unless provoked in some way. But some of these same guys murdered Japanese prisoners of war. My Uncle was guarding two Japanese soldiers that had been captured and this other Marine just walked up with a .45 and shot them both dead right there in the sand on the beach. Now I did call that murder and it was murder, and I think it would be a fair guess to say that guy must of had a real powerful hate on for the Japanese at that time. But I have to pose a hard question. Did that soldier who murdered those two Japanese have to kill them? I am pretty sure that most people would say no, but most people are not answering this question in the aftermath of an 18 hour trip through hell where these victims were just doing everything they could to kill you and did kill people you've been living with for the last half year. That's one kind of hate.

But then you have these other people who didn't accept hate as a way to survive. They just use hate because it is an entry card into a society when they have real problems being accepted socially. Don't fit in very well at school, not doing too good with the ladies, that's OK, if you can hate XXX-whoever for xxx-whatever then you're good with us bro, we'll take you We'll call you brother and teach you the secret handshake. This hate isn't the same thing as the other hate. This kind of hate isn't armor, it's an excuse to be a sadistic asshole. And people can be sadistic assholes without hate, hate is not a requirement at all. But it does help focus groups of sadistic assholes and there is power in groups.

Hate and racism are not synonyms. One may use the other, and you can find them running together, but they are not the same thing. There are more than enough people out there who are racist in their thinking but not hateful at all.

No one was born a racist, but they do learn it and frequently at a very young age. Some people don't even realize that they are racist in their thinking because they aren't hateful people. So are you so sure that we all have to hunt down these racist people and hateful people and exorcise them from existence and have our very own return of the Spanish Inquisition?

Keep in mind, I'm not attacking you, not calling you out. I am asking in order to discuss.
 

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People still buy games off steam? No gog love?

GoG is good for old games and games that are wanted to run without online or social features. I have lots of games on both GoG and Steam, though I primarily purchase from Steam because I expect more features, community resources, and greater security of posterity.

And one thing that's bugging me about GoG lately is that they're beginning to force their Goglaxy client upon game downloads, which changes their service from being a distinct offering from Steam by being DRM-free and having standalone installers, to makes their service more like an inferior version Steam - in which case I have no major reason to buy games from GoG, since the point of buying them there is that they're DRM-free (counting mandatory clients as DRM)... except not all of them are DRM-free, now. Some select games require the GoGlaxy client to download and install, and many of my old games that I purchased long ago now try to download with the Goglaxy client by default - though, there are separate download locations a person can go to to still download the game with just the disposable installer.
 

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I like Steam. People post dumb stuff, they don't have time to clean it all up, I ignore it. It's sad people will get influenced by the stupid, so that's a negative side of free speech. I play lots of great games on Steam and I will continue.

As far as violent video games, it's a game, I have seen a few things in games that were over the top, but it's not real, so don't play games that offend you, still fighting the battle over content. It's a video game, you don't have to agree with all that is in the game. You act like you can control all others. You can't. People are people, judge them by actions, don't lump them.
 
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For anyone that does NOT want to be offended:
Turn off your computers, smartphones, televisions, and radios. Cancel your magazine and newspaper subscriptions. Sound-proof your home, board up your windows, and lock your doors. Once you THINK you have totally isolated yourself from the real world, then find a way to nuke yourself from orbit...it's the only way to be sure.

Otherwise, go about your day with your big kid undies on.

You forgot "gouge your eyes out and drive ice picks into your ears".
 

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That's not my actual point.
Sure doesn't read like that.

So lets say you dont want to play with any nazis (and i don't) now i know who they are. As a general rule i don't believe in moderation
These guys all have alt accounts to play post from so that isn't going to work either.

And looking at places like reddit or the *chan's its hard to believe that some level of moderation isn't necessary otherwise the forum just descends into a hellhole of furry and child pornography with a heavy amount of racist shitposting and helldumping.
 

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Oh... *Groan*

We all know what's going to happen next, don't we?

Neither of those groups had even 50 members and I have never come across a single post from either of them. The first group is even an obvious troll group since no real nazi group would way "We're not here only to spread hate..." and they died in obscurity like they should.

But now we're going to get thousands of 13-year-old anti-SWJ, anti-PC, and anti-censorship campaigners joining those groups and creating new fake-nazi groups and spamming tons of nazi messages all over the discussion boards, and we're going to spend the rest of the year reading articles of the terrible gaming community that has been sending thousands of death threats to this reviewer (because of course they will).

It's like some people just can't help themselves when they come across a box of matches. Even if it's obvious that they're strolling through a powder keg.
 

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What's sad is that people want you to stay silent, and staying silent speaks LOUDLY that you condone racism, and what really floors me is that so many in these forums approve of this, but try to cover their racism by calling you snowflakes..

Oh please. Asshats like this writer are not calling out racism. They're virtue signaling. There are real, actual, valid, problems having to do with race, gender, etc in the country. Some moronic keyboard warrior puffing up his ego in a stupid article is doing fuck all about it. All the "author" is doing is going "Look at me I'm so moral. Praise me for it". Its retarded. You can't help anything or anyone siting behind your keyboard like a scared little bitch and making up outrage online. REAL help comes from real actions and puts people in real danger. The people that call out REAL social problems often find themselves in jail or beat. The pansies today would die of shock if they had to go through even a 10th of what actual protesters had to in the past. Antifa is a terrorist organization and BLM is going to collapse and have absolutely zero positive effect in the long run, but both groups will create plenty of negative effects. You get called a snowflake because you are. You can't handle ANYTHING that goes counter to your opinion without running off and crying to someone that your fee-fees were hurt. Grow some balls and actually do something good instead of whining on the internet.
 

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As if Sony or Microsoft, if they had as open and massive forums/community pages as Steam, would do anything like this guy suggests.
It would be as big of a cespool of garbage, if not bigger.

But the great part, is you can IGNORE what you don't like.
I have steam set to launch straight to my library page. And that's what I look at 90% of the time. Everything else is optional and it's easy to filter out the stupid.

It's one thing to want to ban people who are ruining the game experience for someone else by being a rude asshole. (Where it's often hard to avoid people. Unless you don't want to play the game).
Everything else though, the forums, game releases you aren't interested in, community groups. 100% optional.
 

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Sure doesn't read like that.


These guys all have alt accounts to play post from so that isn't going to work either.

And looking at places like reddit or the *chan's its hard to believe that some level of moderation isn't necessary otherwise the forum just descends into a hellhole of furry and child pornography with a heavy amount of racist shitposting and helldumping.
If on their alt accounts they aren't acting like nazis why do i care?
 

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Yeah, deleting your account serves no purpose but to let hate win, if that's really your point. Else, stand up and walk for yourself and others. I'm an easy going person and some of these snowflakes like beating me up because I'm not beating their drum....
 

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This guy obviously has never tried to put in a ticket for Steam Support.

Seriously they pay very little attention to the community.
 
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Because they will act like nazis on their alts too. They don't know to stop or properly socialize with people for the most part.
Then i have the ability to filter them out too, just takes a little more effort.
The only reason I brought up my opinion isn't that i have a problem with the guy leaving steam because of X reason (although in this case it absolutely feels of attention seeking). It's just his stated reason is he doesn't like that x community exists on x platform and he suggests that x platform should do something about it. Well, as a rule, i literally fear this. Mobs are terrible. Today its nazis tomorrow it could be gays for example. I much prefer systems where you can filter someone out and as a rule i dont believe you have the right to silence someone else for any reason outside of their interactions with you. There are plenty of bad shit that silencing could filter out, but its not worth the risk to the good shit it could filter out. Which is why i dont believe in moderating a platform et al. You want to moderate certain subsections of the platform, i can deal with that as long as the people who are being moderated have the ability to have an area that is not.
 

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whenever the water seems higher at the beach i will always remember the sand is in that "jounalists" vagina.
 

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Then i have the ability to filter them out too, just takes a little more effort.
I see no reason to expend any effort trying to go out of my to ignore assholes/racists shitposting or fuckery online while I'm trying to post or play a game.

If they want to keep their garbage on their little corner of the internet then fine but when they try to spread their trash everywhere then they need a good solid banning.

Mobs are terrible. Today its nazis tomorrow it could be gays for example. I much prefer systems where you can filter someone out and as a rule i dont believe you have the right to silence someone else for any reason outside of their interactions with you.
Oh horseshit. Privately owned forums aren't mobs nor is banning assholes or racists, something which has been happening for a long time in most places on the internet (even in the Usenet days), isn't suppression of free speech or their rights.
 
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Then i have the ability to filter them out too, just takes a little more effort.
The only reason I brought up my opinion isn't that i have a problem with the guy leaving steam because of X reason (although in this case it absolutely feels of attention seeking). It's just his stated reason is he doesn't like that x community exists on x platform and he suggests that x platform should do something about it. Well, as a rule, i literally fear this. Mobs are terrible. Today its nazis tomorrow it could be gays for example. I much prefer systems where you can filter someone out and as a rule i dont believe you have the right to silence someone else for any reason outside of their interactions with you. There are plenty of bad shit that silencing could filter out, but its not worth the risk to the good shit it could filter out. Which is why i dont believe in moderating a platform et al. You want to moderate certain subsections of the platform, i can deal with that as long as the people who are being moderated have the ability to have an area that is not.
Only that gays are a protected group and as such, have rights that the Nazis don't have and should not have.
There's no room for Nazis and hate speech, and I can't fathom a reason to allow the casual use of their ideas, whether it's bored kids or determined adults.
They should absolutely be moderated, banned, shunned. Fuck Nazis.
 

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Started playing DotA 2 more recently. Know what I noticed?

Drastic drop in toxicity compared to when I played last.

Yeah this person's fixating on something stupid.
 

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What's sad is that people want you to stay silent, and staying silent speaks LOUDLY that you condone racism, and what really floors me is that so many in these forums approve of this, but try to cover their racism by calling you snowflakes..
Saying nothing doesn't say anything about how someone feels. I don't say a lot but i surely don't condone racism. I'm just not will to get painted into a corner that i do not belong into because i said 1 thing either way. I always thought antifa was a terrorist group and the White supremacists are wackos who actually think they are better than others based on skin. Truth is no one is better than anyone else, its just when people start touting that they are better because of how they live/talk/work/look/whatever that these thing start to become issues. The fact that you actually think you have the right to pass judgement on someone because they remain silent is pretty stupid. Most likely those people are the ones that want both sides to disappear.
 

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Oh... *Groan*

We all know what's going to happen next, don't we?

Neither of those groups had even 50 members and I have never come across a single post from either of them. The first group is even an obvious troll group since no real nazi group would way "We're not here only to spread hate..." and they died in obscurity like they should.

But now we're going to get thousands of 13-year-old anti-SWJ, anti-PC, and anti-censorship campaigners joining those groups and creating new fake-nazi groups and spamming tons of nazi messages all over the discussion boards, and we're going to spend the rest of the year reading articles of the terrible gaming community that has been sending thousands of death threats to this reviewer (because of course they will).

It's like some people just can't help themselves when they come across a box of matches. Even if it's obvious that they're strolling through a powder keg.


^ This man, this for sure.

So true, some people can't go near a cliff without jumping off right?
 

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Only that gays are a protected group and as such, have rights that the Nazis don't have and should not have.
There's no room for Nazis and hate speech, and I can't fathom a reason to allow the casual use of their ideas, whether it's bored kids or determined adults.
They should absolutely be moderated, banned, shunned. Fuck Nazis.
Today, you know it used to be the EXACT opposite and there is no reason it can't be the exact opposite in the future.
 
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Today, you know it used to be the EXACT opposite and there is no reason it can't be the exact opposite in the future.
Sure, I should have expressed that I advocate Steam more actively monitoring their forums and banning Nazis, which is well within their right. Giving them space on privately owned forums just emboldens and legitimizes them.
There have been interesting happenings on Reddit.com around this very issue. Ultimately, a lot of "subreddits" or sub-forums there have been closed. I support that action. The Nazis can still go outside and yell their hate into the wind, where I don't have to listen to it. That's freedom of speech.
But I also think nuking your steam account over it is a little silly. Don't run from them, confront them.
 

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Sure, I should have expressed that I advocate Steam more actively monitoring their forums and banning Nazis, which is well within their right. Giving them space on privately owned forums just emboldens and legitimizes them.
There have been interesting happenings on Reddit.com around this very issue. Ultimately, a lot of "subreddits" or sub-forums there have been closed. I support that action. The Nazis can still go outside and yell their hate into the wind, where I don't have to listen to it. That's freedom of speech.
But I also think nuking your steam account over it is a little silly. Don't run from them, confront them.
That's a reasonable position. (not that you need my approval) I'm just saying i support steam NOT doing it and given my reasons why. I think confronting them should be done by arguing they are terrible instead of silencing them. But its kinda semantics at this point. As people have pointed it outs a private forum and they can do whatever they want and your free not to engage with them.
 
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