Why Hasn’t the Year of the Linux Desktop Happened Yet?

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Hagrid said:
Perhaps you just need training on how to use Linux. It's easier than windows.
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Or perhaps he is telling it like it is, at least in the purposes he needed it for. Here we go, the LDF is out and churning the usual....... The real question is, why do they need to compare their OS of choice to another, more popular OS in order for them to prove it is the Year of the Linux Desktop? :D
 
ManofGod said:
Everyone, next time you see a toxic Linux poster, this is the excuse they are using for their behavior, remember that. On a different note, the Linux Desktop is too fragmented and it will never be the year of the Linux Desktop, unless that changes. The person who claimed that it does not matter is also the same person who was claiming the ChromeOS as the Year of the Linux Desktop. :D
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Not really. ;)

Ruthless marketing is the only reason Windows is a popular as it is - It's that simple.

Not being locked into one horrible UI is awesome.
 
ManofGod said:
Or perhaps he is telling it like it is, at least in the purposes he needed it for. Here we go, the LDF is out and churning the usual....... The real question is, why do they need to compare their OS of choice to another, more popular OS in order for them to prove it is the Year of the Linux Desktop? :D
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Or perhaps he isn't, perhaps he hasn't got a clue?
 
I used PCLOS and then Open Suse for the longest time. Needed Windows install as second boot from time to time and it just became not worth it. I was using XP in those days. When I went to 7 then Linux was no longer worth it. We will see in 2020
 
Mostly it is about LINUX fragmentation vs Microsoft having one of the strongest IF NOT THE STRONGEST marketing departments of all time.

There are LINUX desktops that are as "easy to use" as Windows - especially if you toss in the TOTALLY UNUSABLE INTERFACE of WIndows 8 that Microsoft is STILL trying to push as the "default environment" in WIndows 10 (it is just a lot easier to get OUT of that garbage unusable interface in 10 then it was in 8).

It's interesting though to see HOW SLOW WIndows 10 adoption is going - 7 is only a couple years from the current "end of life" and 7 STILL has more users than 10 does.
Microsoft needs to get a clue and pay attention to WHY they still have to support 7 DESPITE all their efforts to get folks to move to 10.
 
afaik the main reason why people prefer windows is because it's what they grew up with and/or what they learned to use at school.
Microsoft knows exactly why it gives all schools special deals on windows and office.
Most people don't care enough to want to "learn" a new OS.

Most linux distros I used the last 5 years where pretty easy to use, although once you want to do more advanced things the learning curve is a it of a bump.
 
mr.Loma said:
afaik the main reason why people prefer windows is because it's what they grew up with and/or what they learned to use at school.
Microsoft knows exactly why it gives all schools special deals on windows and office.
Most people don't care enough to want to "learn" a new OS.

Most linux distros I used the last 5 years where pretty easy to use, although once you want to do more advanced things the learning curve is a it of a bump.
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Very true. If roles were reversed and all people had been using for the last 40 years were Linux based operating systems, people would be making similar claims about Windows - Except they'd be more along the lines of how being locked down to one UI is a bad thing, how Windows doesn't allow for enough personal freedom and how hard the OS is to use.

When it comes to the advanced aspects of any OS the learning curve is a bit of a bump.
 
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ManofGod said:
Or perhaps he is telling it like it is, at least in the purposes he needed it for. Here we go, the LDF is out and churning the usual....... The real question is, why do they need to compare their OS of choice to another, more popular OS in order for them to prove it is the Year of the Linux Desktop? :D
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More popular these days is probably not the best term. I would use the words no other choice. It is always good to have options. Intel/AMD. AMD/Nvidia.
 
ManofGod said:
Everyone, next time you see a toxic Linux poster, this is the excuse they are using for their behavior, remember that. On a different note, the Linux Desktop is too fragmented and it will never be the year of the Linux Desktop, unless that changes. The person who claimed that it does not matter is also the same person who was claiming the ChromeOS as the Year of the Linux Desktop. :D
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Don't be so protective. The PC platform is dead to the average user and that smarts I know... but its just the way it is. Average people have zero need for a PC anymore. Therefore the "Year of the Linux Desktop" is irrelevant. The entire concept was that at some point Linux would be the average persons operating system.... well that year came and went. Android is the worlds largest Operating System... and yes its' a Linux distro. We aren't talking about the people running Photoshop or C compilers or high end games... that isn't the majority of computer users and I would hope even you understand that. The average user wants to get their email, browse the web, stream some video and hide some porn. Between their phones their Android running boxes hooked up to their TVs and the odd chromebook or tablet they are covered. The average person doesn't care if their device can run Crysis or open 24 bit PSD files.

The "desktop" has become a gaming platform for the vast majority of "power users"... and that is fine. For the corporate world yes Chrome is starting to bite in... no they haven't displaced MS completely at this point but its heading that way and I do believe most people know that. MS is either going to have to emulate chromeos in a big way or be replaced by it for the most part. More likely because I believe it or not don't believe MS is run by complete morons, they will embrace Linux even harder going so far as building out a MS linux distro and simply naming it Windows, or cring windows 11.
 
Windows Documentation -

Step 1 - Click the Start Button.

Step 2 - Select...


Linux Documentation -

WTF do you want documentation for? We assume you are not a noob and have 10 years hardcore Linux experience plus it's not our job to teach you how to use it!

Step 24 (you knew steps 1 to 23 but if you don't then WTF are you doing here?) - Type @$??direct-sudo_appget more//arcane...bullshit@@means_sweet_FA%%WHYCANTIJUSTCLICKANICONTODOTHIS?//(2565434)~~??//"doesthislookintimidatingenoughtoyouyet?"
 
daglesj said:
Windows Documentation -

Step 1 - Click the Start Button.

Step 2 - Select...


Linux Documentation -

WTF do you want documentation for? We assume you are not a noob and have 10 years hardcore Linux experience plus it's not our job to teach you how to use it!

Step 24 (you knew steps 1 to 23 but if you don't then WTF are you doing here?) - Type @$??direct-sudo_appget more//arcane...bullshit@@means_sweet_FA%%WHYCANTIJUSTCLICKANICONTODOTHIS?//(2565434)~~??//"doesthislookintimidatingenoughtoyouyet?"
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Why not try a distro that has a GUI, then you can just most of the time click on stuff?
 
naib said:
Something something windows phone.

The only area windows dominates is the desktop. The next area is games consoles but Nintendo and Sony are both strong.
Ms dont have the cloud, dont have servers, dont have IoT, don't have in-car

What they do have is inertia but they also keep fucking up. Sooner or later there will be a major fuckup and their shear unaccountability and piss poor design procedure will put them into a position where they need to change how they deal with windows
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MS has cloud and server, little presence in IoT and non existent in car.
 
daglesj said:
Windows Documentation -

Step 1 - Click the Start Button.

Step 2 - Select...


Linux Documentation -

WTF do you want documentation for? We assume you are not a noob and have 10 years hardcore Linux experience plus it's not our job to teach you how to use it!

Step 24 (you knew steps 1 to 23 but if you don't then WTF are you doing here?) - Type @$??direct-sudo_appget more//arcane...bullshit@@means_sweet_FA%%WHYCANTIJUSTCLICKANICONTODOTHIS?//(2565434)~~??//"doesthislookintimidatingenoughtoyouyet?"
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Er....No.

There are distro's that are actually 'easier' to use than Windows with all software available under a central repository, constantly updated to the latest versions and installable purely via GUI - Solus Linux springs to mind, since you seem to have trouble with simple research.

Once again, misinformed.

Windows:

Step 1 - Click the Start button.

Step 2 - A screen 'full' of tiles, WTF is this and how do I get back to the desktop or even shut this thing down!

See, us Linux users can live in the past also.
 
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BulletDust said:
Er....No.

There are distro's that are actually 'easier' to use than Windows with all software available under a central repository, constantly updated to the latest versions and installable purely via GUI - Solus Linux springs to mind, since you seem to have trouble with simple research.

Once again, misinformed.

Windows:

Step 1 - Click the Start button.

Step 2 - A screen 'full' of tiles, WTF is this and how do I get back to the desktop or even shut this thing down!

See, us Linux users can live in the past also.
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I'm sure the 5 or so users of Solus Linux love it.:cool:
 
I use Linux on several machines at home and even my desktop at work. However, there are issues with it as a general OS. Installing some applications that aren't in the repositories or store can be a pain in the ass, I wouldn't expect my customers to know how to do this.

Windows wins in the Enterprise, hands down no ifs ands or buts about it. Sure there is LDAP, but Linux has nothing like Active Directory. It is missing Office, yeah Libre Office and Open Office, they are close, to Office 2003. Google's web apps and Office Online are not the same as the desktop applications. Not to mention you are missing Publisher and Access.

The one thing that makes Apple and Microsoft successful is it is one company driving a product in one direction. Freedom of choice in the Linux world is it's biggest downfall. Ubuntu is the only distro that I am aware of that you can get from a major PC manufacture preloaded on a desktop or laptop. Even then it is restricted to certain models.
 
Hagrid said:
Why not try a distro that has a GUI, then you can just most of the time click on stuff?
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Turning off Mouse Acceleration in Windows - The first tickbox in this image:
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Turning off Mouse Acceleration in Ubuntu:


You can make it nice and simple simply by running:

xset m 00

Which will completely turn off mouse acceleration.

!#/bin/bash
xset m 00

Save the file as a .sh script - make it executable with chmod +x filename, add it as a startup program in the Startup Applications program, and you're good to go!









WOW, LINUX SURE IS INTUITIVE AND EASY TO USE.
 
Five words:

There's no money in it.

End of story.
 
No. 1 reason is -

People are wining, lazy, complainers.

No. 2 reason Is-

It's not super easy. You have to work at it.
 
GlacierNine said:
Turning off Mouse Acceleration in Windows - The first tickbox in this image:
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Turning off Mouse Acceleration in Ubuntu:


You can make it nice and simple simply by running:

xset m 00

Which will completely turn off mouse acceleration.

!#/bin/bash
xset m 00

Save the file as a .sh script - make it executable with chmod +x filename, add it as a startup program in the Startup Applications program, and you're good to go!









WOW, LINUX SURE IS INTUITIVE AND EASY TO USE.
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Sure, you could use that simple command to turn it off if you want, or you could just go to the control panel and click on "mouse settings".
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And before someone says "but but but but fragmentation!". Every desktop/distro that I have tried in the last 10 years has had this option in the same place. Ubuntu, CentOS, Fedora, MATE, Mint, Cinnamon, GNOME, Unity, etc. all have some kind of "Control Panel" in a very easy to access location.
 
I agree it's as simple as everyone is accustomed to Windows, even with UI changes like with the jump to 10, it's still familiar enough to figure out for most so they can do what they need to with the computer. Computers are just a tool for most, most people don't want to spend time re-configuring or re-learning a tool before they can use it for what they needed it for in the first place, when the same old tool they've been using for years and still works for what they need, they use it at work, ect, is sitting right there ready to go on the vast majority of computers they can get their hands on.

That said, my "work computer" runs on Linux. Course it's the control panel on a CNC mill, but suck it Winblows users we're taking over. :stinkyfeet:
 
Hagrid said:
Why not try a distro that has a GUI, then you can just most of the time click on stuff?
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Every year I try the latest Linux distribution that is the new hotness for mainstream use. They all inevitably have you dropping to a command line to do simple shit and running through dependency chains.

Linux is a good OS, those that know it and use it, great, good for you. I completely believe and understand why you prefer it over windows.

For everyone else that doesn't have years of experience or the time to or inclination to learn the in and outs of a complex OS like Linux it is garbage. And it hasn't changed in 15 years. New lipstick, same user friendly issues. Despite what homers sucking their own exhaust in this thread say.

As said earlier, Linux users inability to see this is one of many huge obstacles to wide spread adoption. User friendly distros are not user friendly, distros intended to drive everything through the gui are not successful at this.

Linux has countless use cases where it is better, as a mainstream desktop? No and it never will be, the window on that one is closed.
 
BulletDust said:
One word - MATE.

The strength of Linux is it's flexibility, the way you can completely customize it to suit yourself right down to the DE and therefore the UI used. It's your PC, set it up exactly how you like to use it and so called fragmentation is no longer an issue. I run a number of DE's and I've never had an issue adapting to any of them - But I by far prefer MATE because it's so customizable.
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So they are selling OEM computers with MATE? I've been using Linux since 1996 and what Dekoth-E- said is the cold hard truth about Linux. The groups are constantly fighting and there's no one place to get help for the average computer idiot. Has google done a good job creating a gui for Linux? Yes it has, but it has not penetrated the desktop market in a way that it offers clear competition to windows.
 
Same reason as always. The applications I want to run (games) do not work on Linux. If they do work then I spent a good deal of time trying to get a Windows game to work on Linux. This wouldn't be a problem if more games were ported, or if Wine wasn't such a piece of shit. But very few games get ported and Wine is indeed a piece of shit. It's almost 2018 and where's the DX11 support, WINE?
 
Easy list of reasons that will probably be applicable in 10 years as it was applicable 10 years before, and before that:

-Game support still sucks compared to Windows.
-Some industry applications like Adobe products won't work on it. Even if there are substitutes, they may only do 90% of what the Industry application does, which isn't good enough for some people.
-Microsoft pays to have their OS shipped in new computers, Linux doesn't. This is probably the #1 thing that could change the situation.
-Linux is easy for simple stuff, but a pain in the ass for more sophisticated tweaking compared to Windows. If you need to open a commandline, you've already lost.

Those are the big ones. I imagine drivers are still a "results may vary" situation.
 
While this articles come up often, this iteration is fairly poignant, as I struggle to get Linux running on my new MSI GS63V laptop, which was *supposed* to take the place of the two laptops I used to haul around for work (so I could game in the evenings on trips). I need both OS's for my job, and have always dual-boot both. This laptop has given me fits, however. Not only is UEFI a bitch with Linux (mostly Windows fault here), but three distros so far have refused to work past entering your credentials on the Linux side. This is not some random, hand-built PC, it's a pretty run-of-the-mill gaming laptop that just doesn't want to work with Linux. My distro of choice is Manjaro/Arch, but I may have to fall back to Ubuntu (assuming that actually boots). If I install Windows on a system like this, at least I can get in with a low graphics mode and fix shit up. With Linux, I have to fuck around until I can get a CLI, then have another system (or phone) in which to look up command line options for fixing the system, or at least get it to boot to a graphical interface where it's easier to figure out what's wrong (and before you say something, I've tried both free and nonfree installs).

Long story short, Linux will never take a significant market share unless a big company (like Google) front ends the effort to standardize a high-compatibility distro that works with a wide range of systems.... not just chromebook-style systems.
 
TL;DR Warning

Old school programmer here. In 1996, back when Linux was grossly unregulated, I did a presentation at a Linux conference where I argued that applications should include a standardized XML file that showed all the command line options and their description.

At its simplest level, the goal was to list all the command line options for an application, to include a short (command line style) description of what each option does and also a long and more informative description of what each option does, and also hyperlinks to other options that were related to the original option. Opened into an HTML window you would have checkboxes for each option you wanted to apply, and you would have the ability to save different configurations to a unique name. The command to open the XML tree would be applicationname -coxml (command-line options XML), pronounced 'cock smell' because I am immature. BTW, one of my female co-workers ratted me out on the whole 'cock smell' thing.

I also talked about an XML tree of all the unique terms and acronyms used by an application. Too often, I found that admins who were trying to solve a problem and who were searching the user groups for an answer wouldn't find the help they needed because they didn't know the 'name' of the problem they were trying to solve. When they finally asked for help on a forum they'd get 100 flames for not searching the forum for a question that had already been answered.

Ideally, I also wanted that XML file to show the locations where an installation stored files or made changes, an XML tree of all the dependencies for the application and what options those dependencies needed, and maybe the file types that the application read and the file types that it created. Maybe even common repositories and the website of the application authors.

I wanted the whole XML file included with the distro because in 1996 it seemed like I'd often get caught trying to debug an installation without another internet computer available. This isn't a real problem in 2017, but since the whole XML file was never more than 20k it didn't seem like a big deal to include it.

I also argued for some simple reporting, maybe an anonymous repository showing which hardware/OS/fileserver/network combinations were able to get the application running, and what options they used.

Simple, right? If we all agreed to do that much, I felt we'd get some traction and we'd gain some converts.

.......

I got shit on by about half of the crowd. People who tried to defend me got shit on too. It wasn't just the headless punks and command-line freaks shitting on me, there were old, grey-haired men who had come up through UNIX and IBM MVS, who still snorted COBOL in the bathroom during lunch, and they were shitting on me too. It was amazing and a little horrifying. I never tried to present the idea again.

Less scientifically, about ten years ago I had to set up a computer for my mother, who has never had a computer but was getting bombarded by her sisters, children and nieces to get online so she could view all of the family emails and facebook updates (God help us). Just email, facebook, some Word, and maybe some YouTube, that is all this computer needed to do. I set her up with an old Core2 computer with Windows XP, but eventually she got a virus that infected the computer, the router and even the church next door (go Mom! one of the church ladies was hijacking our wireless). By this time Windows XP support was fully expired, so I installed Ubuntu and Libre Office and made a little sheet showing her how to use everything. She hasn't used that computer in two years.

Linux is mostly easy to use, but it isn't always easy to use, and sometimes it can be achingly awful to use. Linux is also poorly organized. Linux still hides vast oceans of archaic complexity, God help you if your boat is blown out to sea and out of sight of land. Linux applications often suffer from Java-based slowness and crashes. Linux has the ability to push a user to a place where they can't get back to the desktop. Linux has never gone through a proper, commercial usability study. If you ask twenty IT monkeys if they would rather support users running Windows or users running Ubuntu, nineteen would say Windows and the last one would be a Linux fanatic with some Freudian problem involving his penis and his mother.

I still like Linux. But there will be no Year of the Linux Desktop without spilling the blood of millions of Linux sycophants.

P.S. I am writing this on LibreOffice 5.1 running on Ubuntu 16.04. I have a small penis.
 
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Linux desktop is so bad, not even Windows 10 helped its adoption. Nor Vista. Nor ME. It was, is, and maybe forever will be a mess on desktop. It has the potential, but not the right community behind it.
 
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Taco said:
Every year I try the latest Linux distribution that is the new hotness for mainstream use. They all inevitably have you dropping to a command line to do simple shit and running through dependency chains.
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tetris42 said:
-Linux is easy for simple stuff, but a pain in the ass for more sophisticated tweaking compared to Windows. If you need to open a commandline, you've already lost.
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No different to macOS, most handle macOS just fine. In fact considering advanced functionality, macOS depends on the terminal more than certain Linux distro's.

GlacierNine said:
Turning off Mouse Acceleration in Windows - The first tickbox in this image:
7XEKYBs.jpg



Turning off Mouse Acceleration in Ubuntu:


You can make it nice and simple simply by running:

xset m 00

Which will completely turn off mouse acceleration.

!#/bin/bash
xset m 00

Save the file as a .sh script - make it executable with chmod +x filename, add it as a startup program in the Startup Applications program, and you're good to go!









WOW, LINUX SURE IS INTUITIVE AND EASY TO USE.
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Vanilla Ubuntu is stupidly simple and stripped out - One of the reasons I think it's shit. Try to use a decent distro as an example, the strength of Linux is that you're not limited to one distro - Vanilla Ubuntu is going to be perfect for some, but not for all.

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heatlesssun said:
It's the same problem that desktop Linux as always faced, lack of hardware and software support.
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How many times have we been over this Heatlesssun? We're gonna clash again, I can assure you of it.

That's your opinion, sadly the fact that it is you opinion does not substantiate the fact that it's not bullshit. Are you going to crap on about VR again?

CombatChrisNC said:
Have I missed it in my skin of this thread?

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.
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I use it daily for the running of my business and more, I can assure you my time is not worthless and if you honestly believe what you have typed is true than you have just proven you are clueless.

LBJM said:
So they are selling OEM computers with MATE? I've been using Linux since 1996 and what Dekoth-E- said is the cold hard truth about Linux. The groups are constantly fighting and there's no one place to get help for the average computer idiot. Has google done a good job creating a gui for Linux? Yes it has, but it has not penetrated the desktop market in a way that it offers clear competition to windows.
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What a pointless post. What's with the font? :LOL:

Flapjack said:
While this articles come up often, this iteration is fairly poignant, as I struggle to get Linux running on my new MSI GS63V laptop, which was *supposed* to take the place of the two laptops I used to haul around for work (so I could game in the evenings on trips). I need both OS's for my job, and have always dual-boot both. This laptop has given me fits, however. Not only is UEFI a bitch with Linux (mostly Windows fault here), but three distros so far have refused to work past entering your credentials on the Linux side. This is not some random, hand-built PC, it's a pretty run-of-the-mill gaming laptop that just doesn't want to work with Linux. My distro of choice is Manjaro/Arch, but I may have to fall back to Ubuntu (assuming that actually boots). If I install Windows on a system like this, at least I can get in with a low graphics mode and fix shit up. With Linux, I have to fuck around until I can get a CLI, then have another system (or phone) in which to look up command line options for fixing the system, or at least get it to boot to a graphical interface where it's easier to figure out what's wrong (and before you say something, I've tried both free and nonfree installs).
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UEFI issues are the fault of MS, however I can assure you, you're pretty damn unlucky and if you got the installer to run your issue is obviously not related to UEFI issues. I install various distro's all the time on a magnitude of machines and rarely encounter any more issues than I have under Windows.

Not blaming the user, I believe you had issues - They just aren't widespread simply because you encountered them in one isolated case.

Flapjack said:
Sorry.... I like Linux for all that it does, but to say it is "easier than windows" is ig'nant.
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Why? Why is such a staement ignorant? Because it's not mindlessly supporting Microsoft?

FACT: Solus Linux is simple to install, simple to use, the terminal is no more necessary than the command line under Windows and you can install the latest and greatest software from the official repository via GUI - Effectively, it's easier to use than Windows.

seanreisk said:
TL;DR Warning

Old school programmer here. In 1996, back when Linux was grossly unregulated, I did a presentation at a Linux conference where I argued that applications should include a standardized XML file that showed all the command line options and their description.

At its simplest level, the goal was to list all the command line options for an application, to include a short (command line style) description of what each option does and also a long and more informative description of what each option does, and also hyperlinks to other options that were related to the original option. Opened into an HTML window you would have checkboxes for each option you wanted to apply, and you would have the ability to save different configurations to a unique name. The command to open the XML tree would be applicationname -coxml (command-line options XML), pronounced 'cock smell' because I am immature. BTW, one of my female co-workers ratted me out on the whole 'cock smell' thing.

I also talked about an XML tree of all the unique terms and acronyms used by an application. Too often, I found that admins who were trying to solve a problem and who were searching the user groups for an answer wouldn't find the help they needed because they didn't know the 'name' of the problem they were trying to solve. When they finally asked for help on a forum they'd get 100 flames for not searching the forum for a question that had already been answered.

Ideally, I also wanted that XML file to show the locations where an installation stored files or made changes, an XML tree of all the dependencies for the application and what options those dependencies needed, and maybe the file types that the application read and the file types that it created. Maybe even common repositories and the website of the application authors.

I wanted the whole XML file included with the distro because in 1996 it seemed like I'd often get caught trying to debug an installation without another internet computer available. This isn't a real problem in 2017, but since the whole XML file was never more than 20k it didn't seem like a big deal to include it.

I also argued for some simple reporting, maybe an anonymous repository showing which hardware/OS/fileserver/network combinations were able to get the application running, and what options they used.

Simple, right? If we all agreed to do that much, I felt we'd get some traction and we'd gain some converts.

.......

I got shit on by about half of the crowd. People who tried to defend me got shit on too. It wasn't just the headless punks and command-line freaks shitting on me, there were old, grey-haired men who had come up through UNIX and IBM MVS, who still snorted COBOL in the bathroom during lunch, and they were shitting on me too. It was amazing and a little horrifying. I never tried to present the idea again.

Less scientifically, about ten years ago I had to set up a computer for my mother, who has never had a computer but was getting bombarded by her sisters, children and nieces to get online so she could view all of the family emails and facebook updates (God help us). Just email, facebook, some Word, and maybe some YouTube, that is all this computer needed to do. I set her up with an old Core2 computer with Windows XP, but eventually she got a virus that infected the computer, the router and even the church next door (go Mom! one of the church ladies was hijacking our wireless). By this time Windows XP support was fully expired, so I installed Ubuntu and Libre Office and made a little sheet showing her how to use everything. She hasn't used that computer in two years.

Linux is mostly easy to use, but it isn't always easy to use, and sometimes it can be achingly awful to use. Linux is also poorly organized. Linux still hides vast oceans of archaic complexity, God help you if your boat is blown out to sea and out of sight of land. Linux applications often suffer from Java-based slowness and crashes. Linux has the ability to push a user to a place where they can't get back to the desktop. Linux has never gone through a proper, commercial usability study. If you ask twenty IT monkeys if they would rather support users running Windows or users running Ubuntu, nineteen would say Windows and the last one would be a Linux fanatic with some Freudian problem involving his penis and his mother.

I still like Linux. But there will be no Year of the Linux Desktop without spilling the blood of millions of Linux sycophants.

P.S. I am writing this on LibreOffice 5.1 running on Ubuntu 16.04. I have a small penis.
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You basically lost me at 1996 and I'm looking through my distro trying to find this 'unorganization' and 'complexity' you talk about - However I can fire up my Windows 10 machine as someone that's also a Windows user that doesn't blindly defend Microsoft and I can see two UI's, one aimed at the touch crowd and one aimed at the desktop crowd that adds bloat and doubles up on necessary functionality unnecessarily creating confusion to the end user.
 
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