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They're not ready to release them yet. They are still milking the crap out of 12nm Silicon Zen+ 3400G models and under.Why hasn't AMD announced desktop Renoir APUs?
AMD could simple release the same Renoir mobile processors on the desktop.
For example:
Ryzen 5 4600H --> Ryzen 5 3600G
Ryzen 7 4800H --> Ryzen 7 3700G/3800G
They're not ready to release them yet. They are still milking the crap out of 12nm Silicon Zen+ 3400G models and under.
I am on board for an immediate purchase of the 7nm APUs, I want one because it will be a processor that is almost on ST parity with Intel (with no security holes to slow it down) and the VEGA should be "56% faster" if Lisa Su is to be believed. I did notice the laptop versions dropped in the amount of EU's they have onboard 8 and under. Wondering if the desktop versions will be 8+. \
So it's going to be a huge letdown, essentially. The gains will be on the CPU front and the GPU will be a yawn festival. Almost no damn point in me migrating from a 3400G if that's the case regardless of the CPU's higher performance. I was hoping for an on-board GPU that edges closer to a discrete part. At the rate their development is going on that end, I damn near expect Intel to release an integrated, on-die, GPU at this level first.Picasso top out at 4 cores.
Renoir with 6- and 8- cores would address a different price points.
Desktop Renoir would use the same die mobile Renoir, so it wouldn't have more CUs.
AMD was able to get more performance out of fewer CUs by running the iGPU at much higher clock speeds.
I was wondering about that. For a Q2 release?Next desktop APUs from AMD will have Navi.
So it's going to be a huge letdown, essentially. The gains will be on the CPU front and the GPU will be a yawn festival. Almost no damn point in me migrating from a 3400G if that's the case regardless of the CPU's higher performance. I was hoping for an on-board GPU that edges closer to a discrete part. At the rate their development is going on that end, I damn near expect Intel to release an integrated, on-die, GPU at this level first.
Sure that's part of the issue. However, they could very well release an onboard solution that comes damn close to a discrete, 128 Bit Solution, if they wanted to. IMO.APUs are bandwidth limited.
There isn't much more AMD can do until we get much faster memory.
DDR4 isn't going to cut it
Sure that's part of the issue. However, they could very well release an onboard solution that comes damn close to a discrete, 128 Bit Solution, if they wanted to. IMO.
I'm not talking about HBM2 being added to the die. I'm talking about adding a more powerful GPU to the die, something that stresses the shit out of the memory bandwidth that is available. Honestly, the 2/3 series Zen APUs officially cap out at 2933 Mhz on Ram support. I have gotten my 3400G to run with 3200 Mhz RAM. There's nothing preventing AMD from tweaking the DIE on their APU lineup to add support for the fastest damn RAM they can allow, just cap the Infinity Fabric at a certain speed and let the APU have full access to the rest.If AMD adds HBM2 to the die, it would significantly increase the price of the APUs, and there isn't much appetite for very pricy APUs.
I'm not talking about HBM2 being added to the die. I'm talking about adding a more powerful GPU to the die, something that stresses the shit out of the memory bandwidth that is available.
They already said for now latency is the issue there but would expect hbm to alleviate bandwidth issues looking forward.I think it's at least possible AMD could release an APU that's very different than the mobile chips. I.e. One CPU chiplet and one GPU chiplet, as opposed to the monolithic mobile die.
I will defer to your explanation. Sometimes I go a little too far based on what I feel and think shit should operate like .They already said for now latency is the issue there but would expect hbm to alleviate bandwidth issues looking forward.
I will defer to your explanation. Sometimes I go a little too far based on what I feel and think shit should operate like .
Horses mouth, might find it interesting
Should have written my last post more clearly (steam controller laziness) - I would expect HBM looking forward.
They already gave it a crack with Kaby Lake G.
Next desktop APUs from AMD will have Navi.
There is no huge interest in making an 8 core APU. If you need Office GPU, you don't need more than a 4 core CPU. However, you may think of having an 8 core and eventuelly only web and office GPu at first or when you drop that big GPU for games, still have a little GPU for a secondary PC in 3/4 years. Fact is, on desktop, there is nothing that prevents you to put a better than APU and iGPU Low profile graphics card on a CPu without integrated GPU and whatever GPU you put on it there is no use for an integrated GPU that will only bring more trouble and less performance for the CPU. There is been ramors of a CPU based on a 8 coree chiplet the IO chplet + the second chiplet being a GPU. This is possible if the chiplet GPU integrates lots of cache, some kind of primary Vram. Intel does than on the iGPU pro line. If that cache is half the size of the chiplet which is very small, this is going to let very little place to the GPu and the global performance won't be great, like third of that of a RX 5500 at best. And the cost of production of such an APU with 8 cores would that of a 3950X. It doesn't make sens to produce such a chip for the Dektop market. Even on mobile it's very arguable in spite of using an additionnal mobile GPU. However gaming plateforms will use those kind of APU with full GPU chiplet, even bigger than CPU, like double, close to 200mm² chiplet on 7nm+ without cache, because they will use GDDR6 for the whole system, including CPU. Those gaming boxes will have GPU performance close to RX 5700XT + Ray tracing.
So the market for Desktop APU is for the cheap builds : 4 cores + 11 Vega units for cheap Desktops, or 2 cores + 3 units for very cheap (even laptops) and NUCs. Remember the 2c/4t i3 is what you got some 3 years ago for quite some money, so there is no reason it doesn't work for quite many tasks.
They'll come this summer. However for your use in a sff case, why don't you get a GTX 1650 LP + a ryzen 2600 for instance. Lower price for better performance where you need them. Vega 8 is kind of still and APU, not a real performance GPU, okay for laptops, okay for some standard web surfing, viewing you emails, and watching FHD video or playing 15 year old games and typing text. 8 cores and even 6 cores won't really matter but the GPU will.A lot of SFF's only have room for a low profile or no gpu - in which case a built in vega8 would be good for cad, video editing or the like. I have an asrock a300w that I'd drop an an 8 core + vega8 in if it were available. The best low profile card without needing external power available is a gtx 1650, which while decently powerful adds $180 to the cost of a build. If a 4800G was $350, that'd be a lot more affordable than a 3700X basic dgpu, even if you had room for one. I could see a lot of people grabbing a 6 core version, maybe 8 core wouldn't be as popular depending on price, but quad cores are showing their age in productivity if you do anything other than office/internet.
They'll come this summer. However for your use in a sff case, why don't you get a GTX 1650 LP + a ryzen 2600 for instance. Lower price for better performance where you need them. Vega 8 is kind of still and APU, not a real performance GPU, okay for laptops, okay for some standard web surfing, viewing you emails, and watching FHD video or playing 15 year old games and typing text. 8 cores and even 6 cores won't really matter but the GPU will.
Well better calm your horses then. It is going to be a bit. A bit after Zen 3 launches I would guess.....and I'm biting at the bit to get one.
Faster in 3D Mark Time Spy CPU.
I wonder what the potential implications would be if the hypothetical lower latencies due to being monolothic are better than the loss in cache and result in Renoir APUs being better for gaming than Matisse CPUs.
There is no huge interest in making an 8 core APU.
Why hasn't AMD announced desktop Renoir APUs?
AMD could simple release the same Renoir mobile processors on the desktop.