Why don't PC cases have 5.25" external drive bays anymore?

svmlegacy

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There is no way in fuck I'm going to use a computer that I can't burn discs with or watch blurays. What the fuck is going on?
Most people don't use them, and it makes the inside of the case looker cleaner without the bay. If you don't like it, buy a case with a 5.25" bay; there's still lots available.
 

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Yeah I went a USB 3 Blu-ray drive quite a long time ago. I don't know where it is, which speaks quite well to how often it gets used.

That being said, I still have two 5.25" bay devices: a Lian-Li power/reset with USB 3.0 ports unit and an old XSPC digital fan controller.
 

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they do. go to newegg and tick the 5.25 box.

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There is no way in fuck I'm going to use a computer that I can't burn discs with or watch blurays. What the fuck is going on?
It's called do your research... "burn discs with or watch blu-rays" ...Who the fuck does that in today's world? It's easier to download movies and stack'em up on MyBooks.
 

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I use my optical drives often. I noticed that getting USB C, 5.25 bay (optical), and 3.5 bay (card reader) can't be had together as far as I can tell, so I had to use an external card reader on my newest box which does have 5.25 and USB C.
If it had a second 5.25 bay, I could adapt it down to 3.5 or get a bigger reader but it only has one bay.
I am getting increasingly annoyed by the trend that quality computers seem to be more and more focused on aesthetics and gaming while having almost nothing to do with productivity and functionality.
 

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I'll be mounting my icydock in the PSU shroud because the InWin 301 doesn't have a 5.25" bay. It's just a bit too wide to access from the back, so it'll be facing the side panel. Of course, if there was just one bay, I wouldn't have to do that... :/

The Silverstone RL08 would've probably been my pic, but I really like the clean front panel of the 301, and it was a bit less expensive.
 

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It's called do your research... "burn discs with or watch blu-rays" ...Who the fuck does that in today's world? It's easier to download movies and stack'em up on MyBooks.

I do I rather have the physical media, although now a days with games and some movie discs the disc is nothing more then the license to signal the device "Hey you actually bought it"
 

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I gave a friend a free 3600x computer and he actually got mad at me cause it didn't have 5.25 bay for his DVD drive.
 

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I do I rather have the physical media, although now a days with games and some movie discs the disc is nothing more then the license to signal the device "Hey you actually bought it"

Can you even BUY physical disc copies of games anymore? Steam/Origin/Epic - that's where games are.
 

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There is no way in fuck I'm going to use a computer that I can't burn discs with or watch blurays. What the fuck is going on?

Streaming services have all but killed off DVD and Blu-Ray sales. Games and movies are primarily distributed through digital means. Internet bandwidth is generally inexpensive. SSD and mechanical HDD storage is relatively cheap these days. The things you used to use CD/DVD/Blu-Ray burners for can now be done on flash drives. You can get flash drives well in excess of the capacity of optical media at the Microcenter checkout line for next to nothing. In short, almost no one uses optical media anymore. There is very little reason to. I haven't had an optical drive in my system for years. I don't miss them either.
 

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It's called do your research... "burn discs with or watch blu-rays" ...Who the fuck does that in today's world? It's easier to download movies and stack'em up on MyBooks.

Oddly enough, there's still a few people left that don't steal (don't pay, ignore copyrights).
 

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I've got two 5.25" bays on my case (Thermaltake X31) with nothing in them. I've been using an external DVD drive for the odd time I do require a optical disc (usually to install Windows on a new PC).

I do like the option of having them. I've been flirting with the idea of using a dual 5.25" pump/reservoir if I went to a open loop setup - I like the look of them.

Who knows, maybe one day Nvidia will design a GPU so huge you'll need to anchor its butt end to an available 5.25" drive for support.
 

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I've got two 5.25" bays on my case (Thermaltake X31) with nothing in them. I've been using an external DVD drive for the odd time I do require a optical disc (usually to install Windows on a new PC).

I do like the option of having them. I've been flirting with the idea of using a dual 5.25" pump/reservoir if I went to a open loop setup - I like the look of them.

Who knows, maybe one day Nvidia will design a GPU so huge you'll need to anchor its butt end to an available 5.25" drive for support.
You do know you can use a USB stick to install windows from.
 

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You do know you can use a USB stick to install windows from.

Yar, true enough. I remember using it to install a retail disc Windows 8.1 on my kids PC and burning a Windows 10 installer with it. I'm assuming I just didn't have a large enough USB drive at the time.

But, yeah, biggest takeaway is that I don't use it very often.
 

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Yar, true enough. I remember using it to install a retail disc Windows 8.1 on my kids PC and burning a Windows 10 installer with it. I'm assuming I just didn't have a large enough USB drive at the time.

But, yeah, biggest takeaway is that I don't use it very often.

It doesn't require a ton of space. The installer still fits on a DVD ISO, so you really don't need a large USB drive. As I said, they are cheap on Amazon or the Microcenter checkout line.
 

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Anti-Physical Media rhetoric is simply a way to make sure companies benefit from all sales so that used sales disappear. I hate this. I am allowed to sell my disc to the next guy when I'm done, but now the next guy doesn't have a player and instead he'll just buy at full price, eliminating reuse and bartering amongst local acquaintances. Every transaction must pay the big companies. Also, you have to store the stuff. But the companies hate customer owned storage, so you end up having to get cloud storage unless you're a tech geek if you want your "owned" media to move from a retired device to its replacement. And you just keep paying and paying for it, either through recurring bills or through a lifetime of someone selling data about you and/or advertisement bombardment.

But there's so much more to this. Soooo much more.

Lack of physical media means lack of music album concept. No attention paid to anything other than big sale single songs, eliminating the art of a full imersive experience of listening to an artist's album from start to finish, with the order of tracks carefully ordered and set up to lead to the next. Some of the best pieces of audible art are not at all big hits and yet still are invaluable to the listener that hears them in sequence with the neighboring tracks on the album. Forget that. You're an old fart stuck in the past if that's what you want. Do yourself a favor sometime. Find a time when you won't be distracted and listen to an album recommended by one of us old fogies. From start to finish. Even if it means getting in a vehicle and burning a lot of gasoline driving while you do it. Then you'll know. And you'll want to share it. Through lending, or selling directly, or giving.

Then, you'll discover that you want to record a mixtape and physically hand it to someone as a thoughtful gift, with this same concept in mind, except now you're the artist and you pick the natural order of one song to the next. Using a social media account to share a link to a digital playlist doesn't come close to the same concept or effect.

And then there's the album art. Tweens and teens should be able to display their album art on their walls or the backs of their bedroom doors. If you download your song into your Annoy-A-Tron DDD [Drama Distrobution Device], where do you get the album art? I miss the experience of looking through my own albums or browsing a music store, even if just to see the album art covers alone. It was part of the experience of having the media. It helped you to actually feel something. Going from 12" vinyl to little cassettes didn't help, but now there's nothing. Bringing back the mixtape/CD topic, I remember that making my own album art was one of the best parts of the gift. You could get someone to stop hating you and actually like you just by giving a well thought out mixtape and decent album art. Now you just publicly and permanantly humiliate each other on social media. And being on the receiving end of a gift like this made you feel like you meant something big to someone.

Now most of that, if not all is gone. Yes, I really am claiming that the decline of removable media is a major issue on a forum that focuses on the latest in technology. I am begging those that push the future of technology to consider advocating for the return of physically owned media for the above reasons and more. And if nothing else, I hope you found the post thought provoking or at least entertaining.
 

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I don’t mind said decline too much, nor subscription services. It’s a great equalizer. physical Media, for its pros, also created a keeping up with the joneses situation that I’m glad is behind us, at least with music and increasingly movies. Can’t wait until games are part of the same picture.

to the topic, I have an optical burner in all my builds but it really only serves as an aid for my retro PC hobby... burning discs is often the easiest way to interact with early ~486 and Pentium hardware where USB is absent. Otherwise I don’t really use it. I’ve been contemplating using m-disc to archive important files to media I can toss in a safety deposit box... anyone done something like this?
 

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I have two 5.25 bays.

Never gonna use em, likely gonna just slot in a rad behind them eventually, but they're there. My case is a 2020 model of a super popular and common brand.
 

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My only computer that makes use of 5.25" bays is built in old Lian-Li case from the mid 2000s.

It's a test bench that has the following in the 5.25" bays:
It also has a USB 3.0 front panel addon installed into a 3.5" bay.

In my opinion the best argument for bays is for future proofing to add future front panel ports. None of my cases have USB-C front panel ports so I may eventually install something in a bay to update the cases, but I have yet to need USB-C.

Otherwise all of my in use PCs have lonely empty bays. My vintage PCs have plenty of accessories like a New Q Gold equalizer, CD-ROMs, SoundBlaster Live! Drive, and more I've forgotten. I remember others having ZIP drives, fan controllers, and even toasters and cigarette lighters. There was even a 5.25" bay dedicated power supply for GPUs!
 

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Anti-Physical Media rhetoric is simply a way to make sure companies benefit from all sales so that used sales disappear. I hate this. I am allowed to sell my disc to the next guy when I'm done, but now the next guy doesn't have a player and instead he'll just buy at full price, eliminating reuse and bartering amongst local acquaintances. Every transaction must pay the big companies. Also, you have to store the stuff. But the companies hate customer owned storage, so you end up having to get cloud storage unless you're a tech geek if you want your "owned" media to move from a retired device to its replacement. And you just keep paying and paying for it, either through recurring bills or through a lifetime of someone selling data about you and/or advertisement bombardment.

But there's so much more to this. Soooo much more.

Lack of physical media means lack of music album concept. No attention paid to anything other than big sale single songs, eliminating the art of a full imersive experience of listening to an artist's album from start to finish, with the order of tracks carefully ordered and set up to lead to the next. Some of the best pieces of audible art are not at all big hits and yet still are invaluable to the listener that hears them in sequence with the neighboring tracks on the album. Forget that. You're an old fart stuck in the past if that's what you want. Do yourself a favor sometime. Find a time when you won't be distracted and listen to an album recommended by one of us old fogies. From start to finish. Even if it means getting in a vehicle and burning a lot of gasoline driving while you do it. Then you'll know. And you'll want to share it. Through lending, or selling directly, or giving.

Then, you'll discover that you want to record a mixtape and physically hand it to someone as a thoughtful gift, with this same concept in mind, except now you're the artist and you pick the natural order of one song to the next. Using a social media account to share a link to a digital playlist doesn't come close to the same concept or effect.

And then there's the album art. Tweens and teens should be able to display their album art on their walls or the backs of their bedroom doors. If you download your song into your Annoy-A-Tron DDD [Drama Distrobution Device], where do you get the album art? I miss the experience of looking through my own albums or browsing a music store, even if just to see the album art covers alone. It was part of the experience of having the media. It helped you to actually feel something. Going from 12" vinyl to little cassettes didn't help, but now there's nothing. Bringing back the mixtape/CD topic, I remember that making my own album art was one of the best parts of the gift. You could get someone to stop hating you and actually like you just by giving a well thought out mixtape and decent album art. Now you just publicly and permanantly humiliate each other on social media. And being on the receiving end of a gift like this made you feel like you meant something big to someone.

Now most of that, if not all is gone. Yes, I really am claiming that the decline of removable media is a major issue on a forum that focuses on the latest in technology. I am begging those that push the future of technology to consider advocating for the return of physically owned media for the above reasons and more. And if nothing else, I hope you found the post thought provoking or at least entertaining.
There's nothing provoking or entertaining about what you just wrote. This is just an old rant and its been repeatedly said time after time after time in the past...Starting from 1805 when they created the Panharmonicon to now 2020 Digital.

I love the fact that I can carry my entire library of music, movies, books, audiobooks etc in the palm of my hand.
 

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I use my optical drives often. I noticed that getting USB C, 5.25 bay (optical), and 3.5 bay (card reader) can't be had together as far as I can tell, so I had to use an external card reader on my newest box which does have 5.25 and USB C.
If it had a second 5.25 bay, I could adapt it down to 3.5 or get a bigger reader but it only has one bay.
I am getting increasingly annoyed by the trend that quality computers seem to be more and more focused on aesthetics and gaming while having almost nothing to do with productivity and functionality.
"while having almost nothing to do with productivity and functionality"....Do you even know what you just said???... If you do, well you are well misinformed or have no idea how to use a PC for productivity and functionality.
 

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I use my optical drives often. I noticed that getting USB C, 5.25 bay (optical), and 3.5 bay (card reader) can't be had together as far as I can tell, so I had to use an external card reader on my newest box which does have 5.25 and USB C.
If it had a second 5.25 bay, I could adapt it down to 3.5 or get a bigger reader but it only has one bay.
I am getting increasingly annoyed by the trend that quality computers seem to be more and more focused on aesthetics and gaming while having almost nothing to do with productivity and functionality.

The reason why desktops are focused on games is because that's the primary niche that allows the form factor to survive. Mobile systems like laptops, tablets and even smart phones took over general computing tasks long ago. The aesthetics and customization aspect of it is one of the things that people enjoy about the hobby. Productivity is a secondary niche and there is hardware focused on that. The fact is, there is rarely a need for things like external card readers or optical drives.
 

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I use my card readers at least weekly at home and at least monthly at work. Most people I know that work in an office, myself included, cannot be nearly as productive on a laptop as they could on a desktop computer. Ergonomics when it comes to human interface devices is extremely important to these people (myself included) and laptops aren't really good with this. Granted, you can have some form of docking station attached to a laptop while placing it on a lift to line it up with eyes and then hook up external everything, but most offices around me still use desktop computers. Reading regular communications and data review are a real pain to access on handhelds if you ask me; a literal pain in the neck over time. Typing on touch screens isn't nearly as efficient as a proper separate keyboard, laptop screens not as good as larger screens, touchpads not as good as mice, cell phones not as comfortable and/or reliable as a wired phone handset, etc. etc.

The above doesn't really make the case much for optical drives, but the ability to have a card reader is still important for some, and it does retain the need for desktops in office settings. I agree with brinstar117's point that 5.25" bays can be very useful to add functionality on computers and make them more able to fit unique needs and functions (not that I want the toaster option to become a reality). I only wish there were more options to populate the slots for that reason. Without much front human interface, there's little need to even have the tower accessible or within view unless you wanted glass, lights, and stickers to see. Might be better just to hide the thing with a power button extension cord.

If gaming and case aesthetics are your thing, I suppose I can respect that. We all have our hobbies and ways to reward ourselves for the hard work we do. I was just ranting on because I felt like we're losing a very good thing with removable physical media. It might be nice to occasionally go back to purpose built devices/media, free of ads, notifications, annotations, and other distractions. Sorry if I offended anyone. It's just sometimes difficult to slowly lose access to what works best for someone.
 

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They do exist though, you can filter newegg to look for them specifically. Also, as previously mentioned, my case has 2, the case I upgraded from has 2, my wives case also has 2 (and a 3.5 hot swap bay of all things). They're all cases from the last 3 years and they're all common, known brands that are well respected. My case came out just this february.

You just need to look at something more tailored for storage or productivity instead of PURE RGB GAMING.

I love my fractal design cases, personally.
 
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They do exist though, you can filter newegg to look for them specifically. Also, as previously mentioned, my case has 2, the case I upgraded from has 2, my wives case also has 2 (and a 3.5 hot swap bay of all things). They're all cases from the last 3 years and they're all common, known brands that are well respected. My case came out just this february.

You just need to look at something more tailored for storage or productivity instead of PURE RGB GAMING.

I love my fractal design cases, personally.
Fractal Design also have great cases!
 

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I use my card readers at least weekly at home and at least monthly at work. Most people I know that work in an office, myself included, cannot be nearly as productive on a laptop as they could on a desktop computer. Ergonomics when it comes to human interface devices is extremely important to these people (myself included) and laptops aren't really good with this. Granted, you can have some form of docking station attached to a laptop while placing it on a lift to line it up with eyes and then hook up external everything, but most offices around me still use desktop computers. Reading regular communications and data review are a real pain to access on handhelds if you ask me; a literal pain in the neck over time. Typing on touch screens isn't nearly as efficient as a proper separate keyboard, laptop screens not as good as larger screens, touchpads not as good as mice, cell phones not as comfortable and/or reliable as a wired phone handset, etc. etc.

The above doesn't really make the case much for optical drives, but the ability to have a card reader is still important for some, and it does retain the need for desktops in office settings. I agree with brinstar117's point that 5.25" bays can be very useful to add functionality on computers and make them more able to fit unique needs and functions (not that I want the toaster option to become a reality). I only wish there were more options to populate the slots for that reason. Without much front human interface, there's little need to even have the tower accessible or within view unless you wanted glass, lights, and stickers to see. Might be better just to hide the thing with a power button extension cord.

If gaming and case aesthetics are your thing, I suppose I can respect that. We all have our hobbies and ways to reward ourselves for the hard work we do. I was just ranting on because I felt like we're losing a very good thing with removable physical media. It might be nice to occasionally go back to purpose built devices/media, free of ads, notifications, annotations, and other distractions. Sorry if I offended anyone. It's just sometimes difficult to slowly lose access to what works best for someone.
I believe your rant didn't offend anyone here. I personally was trying to understand your logic though, which I still don't get whats the major issue... Unless you're one those that don't want to let go of 20-30 year old hardware?
Example: If you look at (Most not All) of our system specifications on the forum many of us have RGB Gaming Systems, yet we can do all of the above - > Gaming, Graphics, Photos, Printing, Uploading, Downloading, Office Work, School Work, Movies, Music, Research, etc.... I also have USB portable compact multi card reader and a portable thin compact Blu-Ray/Dvd/Cd/Burner that I can use with my RGB Gaming Desktop. I also have my Dell Portable Laptop/Workstation that does and has all of the above when I'm on the run.
 

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There is no way in fuck I'm going to use a computer that I can't burn discs with or watch blurays. What the fuck is going on?

Plenty of cases have 5.25 inch bays, which size case are you looking for? Which cases are you considering? Only thing I would likely change from the PC market is making things more reusable. I would love the ability to just replace the USB easy access ports on some of my cases. I can get around it with extension cables, but it would be nice to upgrade my old Antec p182 cases or my fractal case. The metal is still fine and the designs are functional. Not a fan of RGB lights on my case either, but still seems like plenty of options to me.

Eventually I expect that like 3.5 inch disk drives...external optical drives might become the only option.
 
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Anti-Physical Media rhetoric is simply a way to make sure companies benefit from all sales so that used sales disappear. I hate this. I am allowed to sell my disc to the next guy when I'm done, but now the next guy doesn't have a player and instead he'll just buy at full price, eliminating reuse and bartering amongst local acquaintances. Every transaction must pay the big companies. Also, you have to store the stuff. But the companies hate customer owned storage, so you end up having to get cloud storage unless you're a tech geek if you want your "owned" media to move from a retired device to its replacement. And you just keep paying and paying for it, either through recurring bills or through a lifetime of someone selling data about you and/or advertisement bombardment.

But there's so much more to this. Soooo much more.

Lack of physical media means lack of music album concept. No attention paid to anything other than big sale single songs, eliminating the art of a full imersive experience of listening to an artist's album from start to finish, with the order of tracks carefully ordered and set up to lead to the next. Some of the best pieces of audible art are not at all big hits and yet still are invaluable to the listener that hears them in sequence with the neighboring tracks on the album. Forget that. You're an old fart stuck in the past if that's what you want. Do yourself a favor sometime. Find a time when you won't be distracted and listen to an album recommended by one of us old fogies. From start to finish. Even if it means getting in a vehicle and burning a lot of gasoline driving while you do it. Then you'll know. And you'll want to share it. Through lending, or selling directly, or giving.

Then, you'll discover that you want to record a mixtape and physically hand it to someone as a thoughtful gift, with this same concept in mind, except now you're the artist and you pick the natural order of one song to the next. Using a social media account to share a link to a digital playlist doesn't come close to the same concept or effect.

And then there's the album art. Tweens and teens should be able to display their album art on their walls or the backs of their bedroom doors. If you download your song into your Annoy-A-Tron DDD [Drama Distrobution Device], where do you get the album art? I miss the experience of looking through my own albums or browsing a music store, even if just to see the album art covers alone. It was part of the experience of having the media. It helped you to actually feel something. Going from 12" vinyl to little cassettes didn't help, but now there's nothing. Bringing back the mixtape/CD topic, I remember that making my own album art was one of the best parts of the gift. You could get someone to stop hating you and actually like you just by giving a well thought out mixtape and decent album art. Now you just publicly and permanantly humiliate each other on social media. And being on the receiving end of a gift like this made you feel like you meant something big to someone.

Now most of that, if not all is gone. Yes, I really am claiming that the decline of removable media is a major issue on a forum that focuses on the latest in technology. I am begging those that push the future of technology to consider advocating for the return of physically owned media for the above reasons and more. And if nothing else, I hope you found the post thought provoking or at least entertaining.


THIS x 100,plus the endless censorship of the new marxist age we are in where entertainment outlets edit out 'problematic' parts of said art/movie/tv show/anime that cannot be obtained via the newer digital only copies. No,I will stick to buying and collecting physical media and physical Books....You all can live in this new 1984 type age of Big Brother. Love my Phanteks case with multiple 5 and a quarter bays.
 

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Anti-Physical Media rhetoric is simply a way to make sure companies benefit from all sales so that used sales disappear. I hate this. I am allowed to sell my disc to the next guy when I'm done, but now the next guy doesn't have a player and instead he'll just buy at full price, eliminating reuse and bartering amongst local acquaintances. Every transaction must pay the big companies. Also, you have to store the stuff. But the companies hate customer owned storage, so you end up having to get cloud storage unless you're a tech geek if you want your "owned" media to move from a retired device to its replacement. And you just keep paying and paying for it, either through recurring bills or through a lifetime of someone selling data about you and/or advertisement bombardment.

But there's so much more to this. Soooo much more.

I'm not arguing against any of this.

Lack of physical media means lack of music album concept. No attention paid to anything other than big sale single songs, eliminating the art of a full imersive experience of listening to an artist's album from start to finish, with the order of tracks carefully ordered and set up to lead to the next. Some of the best pieces of audible art are not at all big hits and yet still are invaluable to the listener that hears them in sequence with the neighboring tracks on the album. Forget that. You're an old fart stuck in the past if that's what you want. Do yourself a favor sometime. Find a time when you won't be distracted and listen to an album recommended by one of us old fogies. From start to finish. Even if it means getting in a vehicle and burning a lot of gasoline driving while you do it.

While its true that some albums do this it isn't necessarily universal. I almost can't listen to any album from start to finish. There are almost always at least one or two songs I hate on nearly any album that I always skip.

Then you'll know. And you'll want to share it. Through lending, or selling directly, or giving.

Then, you'll discover that you want to record a mixtape and physically hand it to someone as a thoughtful gift, with this same concept in mind, except now you're the artist and you pick the natural order of one song to the next. Using a social media account to share a link to a digital playlist doesn't come close to the same concept or effect.

Jesus, I feel like it's 1988 all over again. BTW, this song ordering shit really only matters on tapes. For digital storage like CD's, we've always been able to skip ahead or even go directly to numbered tracks. I disagree about the last part. Though few people I know carefully order tracks with any layout in mind the same as people probably didn't do it as often as you think they did. Stuff probably got added to many mixtapes when things came to mind, not in any particular order.

And then there's the album art. Tweens and teens should be able to display their album art on their walls or the backs of their bedroom doors. If you download your song into your Annoy-A-Tron DDD [Drama Distrobution Device], where do you get the album art? I miss the experience of looking through my own albums or browsing a music store, even if just to see the album art covers alone. It was part of the experience of having the media. It helped you to actually feel something. Going from 12" vinyl to little cassettes didn't help, but now there's nothing. Bringing back the mixtape/CD topic, I remember that making my own album art was one of the best parts of the gift. You could get someone to stop hating you and actually like you just by giving a well thought out mixtape and decent album art. Now you just publicly and permanantly humiliate each other on social media. And being on the receiving end of a gift like this made you feel like you meant something big to someone.

Nonsense. Album art is still a thing. It appears all the time in my Spotify playlists.

Now most of that, if not all is gone. Yes, I really am claiming that the decline of removable media is a major issue on a forum that focuses on the latest in technology. I am begging those that push the future of technology to consider advocating for the return of physically owned media for the above reasons and more. And if nothing else, I hope you found the post thought provoking or at least entertaining.

Yeah, not going to happen. Some of your points I get and agree with. I really do. However, it will never happen. For one thing people need to learn that we do not and never have owned music, movies or whatever. Even back when we owned the physical media it was stored on. The digital distribution method makes the most sense for businesses who do own the intellectual property.

THIS x 100,plus the endless censorship of the new marxist age we are in where entertainment outlets edit out 'problematic' parts of said art/movie/tv show/anime that cannot be obtained via the newer digital only copies. No,I will stick to buying and collecting physical media and physical Books....You all can live in this new 1984 type age of Big Brother. Love my Phanteks case with multiple 5 and a quarter bays.

I couldn't agree more with this. The editing of media to fit with the modern ideology of a select few is disgusting. Editing a movie or removing a "problematic" episode of a TV show is no different than finding ancient scrolls or Egyptian hieroglyphs and changing them or defacing them when you don't agree with part of it. In the case of scrolls, I wonder how many have been lost to time because some asshole who didn't agree with it destroyed the work in whole or in part.
 
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