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r00k said:
Yes. Sure, they don't get as many kills, but at least their accuracy and head-shot rate is higher than Intel's.
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Why doesn't AMD have anything like VIIV?
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Yes. Sure, they don't get as many kills, but at least their accuracy and head-shot rate is higher than Intel's.
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FX-60 wins in every gaming benchmark which if you think about it, says a lot. Because the way I see it, if you are buying an FX-60, you're serious when it comes to gaming.. I'd like to see how the 65nm AMDs perform.Darakian said:
Also it should be noted that Intel still make chips that are very hot and consume a lot of power (in relation to their AMD counterparts).
By my count...
Productivity -
Intel - 4
AMD - 1
Audio -
Intel - 2
AMD - 2
Image and Video -
Intel - 3
AMD - 1
Gaming -
yeah, AMD sweeps the board.
Still, overall, the 955EE performs better than the 4800 X2 unless you are a hardcore gamer, and considering no game out there would be remotely CPU limited by either, that shouldn't be a consideration.
The FX-60 is impressive, but the 955 OCed to only 4.26 is neck and neck. Given that Dell can do that type of OC and warranty it, people willing to push it a bit further with better cooling should be able to hit 4.5 or even 5 without a problem.
Productivity -
Intel - 4
AMD - 1
Audio -
Intel - 2
AMD - 2
Image and Video -
Intel - 3
AMD - 1
Gaming -
yeah, AMD sweeps the board.
Still, overall, the 955EE performs better than the 4800 X2 unless you are a hardcore gamer, and considering no game out there would be remotely CPU limited by either, that shouldn't be a consideration.
The FX-60 is impressive, but the 955 OCed to only 4.26 is neck and neck. Given that Dell can do that type of OC and warranty it, people willing to push it a bit further with better cooling should be able to hit 4.5 or even 5 without a problem.
NulloModo said:
To bad thats old news now that the FX-60 is out today.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2668&p=4
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2668&p=5
Mohonri said:ViiV--I heard speculation that it's based off the Roman-numeral 64 (VI-IV). It may have started like that, but I think it won simply because it sounds nice, looks cool, and fits on the "intel inside" logo.
Intel no longer has the "Intel inside" logo..............
josh_1413 said:
Doesn't matter. I have always personally thought Intel had crap markting, but then, they don;t really need it.
AMD does, Intel is just like Xerox or Kleenex at this point, a brand completely associated with a product. AMD is overall faster due to the FX60 (sure Intel had then scared with the 955EE which handily trounced the 4800+ aside from gaming, but it is all in what benchmarks you quote). AMD needs to do some major exposure now, let the people know they are the fastest, and the fastest for the buck, because you know Intel has something coming. Way more cash reserves than AMD have their benefits. AMD has the better CPUs for the moment, but unless people know that and trust AMD, they will never break into the OEM market,
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You're counting PCMark05 in your productivity results. That benchmark is anything but productive. Also when's the last time your thought word was running slow?NulloModo said:
NulloModo said:
You have it backwards. It's marketing that plays a large part in separating the enthusiast or bang-for-your-buck company from the Xerox brand. I don't know what you mean by "crap marketing," Maybe you didn't like some of their commercials or something. But the point is, they market the hell out of themselves and if they didn't, AMD would have gained a lot more on them in the past year. They do need it, and obviously more than AMD because the argument is about AMD failing to market themselves.
They do have great marketing. And they do need it. It's AMD that's wrong in assuming that they don't need it.
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Giney for the win.SpoogeMonkey said:
And NulloModo....I literally shake my head at your recent posts with the 99grams of Holy Trilogy crap in Yonah/Merom/Conroe, and the 1gram of moderate twisted truth. I have to see a chiropractor tomorrow, due to a slipped disc from the amount of shaking I've done recently. Thanks.
Shameless Liar said:
I was counting based on pure preformance (not that heat and power dont matter) but nullo seems focused on power. Since 65nm AMDs are not out its unfair to have a competition of what they might have at that time (they could screw it up, not that I think they will) all compairisons should be made with what is available now. As for your count there nullo you are making a few mistakes:
1. the 955EE is in the same price range as the FX-60 thus REGARDLESS of what they may be designed to do they are competing, mind you the 4800 still beats the 955 in a number of benchmarks.
2. Synthetic benchmarks mean shit
3. "an OC'd 955 is neck and neck with the FX-60" Kindly STFU and compair an OC'd vs an OC'd and a stock vs a stock please.
4. You do not need to defend your choice in processor by trying to make others believe it is the best
If after all this you still want to buy intel by all means do so, just don't try to tell us all that it's somthing it's not.
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That basically sums it up.
AMD can be alikened to the AK-47 and Intel is the new advanced high-tech weapon that still pales in comparison to the efficiency of the aforementioned rifle.
AMD can be alikened to the AK-47 and Intel is the new advanced high-tech weapon that still pales in comparison to the efficiency of the aforementioned rifle.
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robberbaron said:
I would put it the other way. AMD is more like the M16. Beautifully engineered, accurate, efficient. AMD uses newer architecture, whereas Intel is still stuck with netburst
Intel, like the AK47 permeates the world. The manufacturing tolerances aren't nearly as close, but it gets the job done. Beautiful in its simplicity.
Both have their merits, but intel continues to dominate because it is cheap, it is EVERYWHERE, and it gets things done almost as well as AMD (M16) and sometimes better (just like the AK47).
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<Samuel.L.Jackson>
The AMD64, when you absolutely, positively gotta frag every mutha-fuckah in the room, accept no substitutes.
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The AMD64, when you absolutely, positively gotta frag every mutha-fuckah in the room, accept no substitutes.
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Why does AMD need more marketing? Most of the intel ad's I see are connected in some way with a big name computer manufacturer..... AMD can't advertise their chips just on their own, because the people who would buy just a chip and build a computer are already computer enthusiests and know about amd without commercials or through computer related website ads, etc. AMD needs deals with dell etc to sell their chips to the mainstream....like the new delll xxx with the amd 64 processor blah blah blah compared to intel processors. Without a computer company to go along its just AMD 64 processor and mainstream people go great but what company can i buy it in.
covertclocker said:
Personally, I don't give a damn about heat, power requirements, or performance per clock. What matters is performance overall. The 955EE has already been shown to run at 6Ghz stable on phase change, 5Ghz on water is therefore reasonable, and 4.5 on air has been proven. The 955 OCs much better than any of the AMD chips. The FX60 is better stock for stock, I can't argue against that, but when you crank both to the max, the 955 wins.
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NulloModo said:
I know you personally don't, since that's one less liability against Intel that you can ignore, but in the big picture, it matters. The Intel chip consumes close to 2x as much power as the AMD. That's twice as many new power plants we have to build to power Intel's chips than AMD's.
For businesses, the TCO of Intel is insanely high compared to AMD due to the overpricing of Intel CPU's and the power they pull when ran together. There's a reason that businesses are looking to AMD more and more for their servers.
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NulloModo said:
How misguided. I don't mind having a nuclear reactor in my backyard to power my overclocked P4, I just have to deal with the nuclear waste and radiation. No Biggie! Give me a break. You need to overclock to ridiculously high speeds to try to compete with AMD. I could make many different analogies right now, but I wont.
Simple fact of the matter is that Intel's platform sucks and AMD doesn't. How can you defend the need to blow $1000+ for a chip that can't and wont compete with AMD's chips clock for clock and STILL have to buy a new motherboard for a new chipset that supports a mild speed bump that barely does anything for performance. If AMD did this, they too could have massive amounts of money for their Marketing Dept. Sorry, but anyway you class the Inthell chips, they are still turd sandwiches, except maybe with a gold bow.
I think what I will like most about this is how my 270$ 165 will dominate the 1200$ 955EE when it's running at 2.7Ghz. If I need more CPU power than that I'll be getting a server board, and duel duel core Opteron 8xx series, not some over priced "Extreme Edition" Intel chip.
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I think Nullo is trying to win this argument by saying he doesn't care about XYZ, when in fact its XYZ that sets AMD apart from Untel
I get to win the fight because I get to show up with an uzi! You only get to bring a pocketknife. How childish. Quote an equal comparison. You want to put a 955 on phase change? put an FX60 (or hell, a DC opteron) on phase change. I think centvalny has his up to 3.9GHz. Yeah, you're running scared from that.