Why are companies like Dell, Asus, iiyama and NEC not making 40" 4K monitors

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I wonder why the big names are not making 40 inch 4K monitors. Yes we have a few from Philips and a really expensive one from Dell, but by and large the big brand names are not entering the 40 inch 4K segment. I think it is a shame. At the same time you have companies like Wasabi Mango and Crossover putting out these models for a few years now, and plenty of choice.

Also I have noticed that every IPS 40 inch screen released in 2016 was a BGR model. Why is that? Is there a certain advantage to put pixels in the BGR layout?
 

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For your average consumer 40" and monitor do not go in the same sentence.

I am using a Korean Wasabi mango UHD400 40" 4K that's a true monitor, not a tv. Pricey but worth it for the niche market these types of panels are made for.

Just not enough demand from your average consumer would be my guess.
 

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They are tied by what panels are being manufactured. If the panel is not something that they feel works for their product range they won't use it.

40" is huge for a desktop display. I had trouble with a 30" 16:10 display already so I don't know how I would deal with a 40". To me 40" would make more sense as an ultrawide.
 

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They are tied by what panels are being manufactured. If the panel is not something that they feel works for their product range they won't use it.

40" is huge for a desktop display. I had trouble with a 30" 16:10 display already so I don't know how I would deal with a 40". To me 40" would make more sense as an ultrawide.
4K at 40" is approx the same PPI as a 1440P 27", which is what I came from before I added the 40" 4k. Felt right at home when you sit the correct distance away.
 
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You can buy a 4K 40" Samsung 6290/6300 series for around $300. No point in waiting for a monitor from Dell, Asus or NEC. Monitor and HDTV both display images so not much of a difference if you catch my drift.
 

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40" is enormous compared to most monitors. I'm sitting about three feet away, and at that distance, I find the height (19.6 in) just a bit too tall, and because of the 16:9 aspect ratio, it's way too wide.

I've been trying some alternate aspect ratios and resolutions to see if I could find a more ideal size. Here's Just Cause 3 at an unscaled 2850x1900 (3:2 aspect ratio):

4kTooBig_l7h0tbasdc.jpg


The actual image there is about 25.5" wide and 17" tall. That res is much easier to drive with a 1070 and I much prefer the 3:2 aspect ratio over 16:9. We need more 3:2 monitors!

This screen, the Samsung KU6300/6290 with VA panels, also use a BGR pixel layout. Not sure why.
 

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I'm using a 40 inch 4K display as a monitor... Aside from not turn off and on automatically it works great.
 

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You can buy a 4K 40" Samsung 6290/6300 series for around $300
Everyone is saying this, but I simply must ask: from where?! The only place that seems to have such a price is Costco. That's it. Nowhere else can you find that price, as far as I've been able to dig up. If you know something I don't, please do tell.
This screen, the Samsung KU6300/6290 with VA panels, also use a BGR pixel layout. Not sure why.
Are you sure about this? It's the first I've heard of it, and it seems to be the kind of thing that people would have been taking about.
 

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Everyone is saying this, but I simply must ask: from where?! The only place that seems to have such a price is Costco. That's it. Nowhere else can you find that price, as far as I've been able to dig up. If you know something I don't, please do tell.

Are you sure about this? It's the first I've heard of it, and it seems to be the kind of thing that people would have been taking about.
It doesn't use BGR. It uses RGB. 4k.com also backs up my claim. LG panels use BGR.
 
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Well Dell has the P4317Q, which is a 43" 4K monitor, that can make each input a separate 1080 display.
 

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Well Dell has the P4317Q, which is a 43" 4K monitor, that can make each input a separate 1080 display.
Over a grand for that feature? You can usually find the Samsung 40" 6290/6300 for around $300 every couple of months. It's currently on sale at Costco but you can possibly have Amazon, Best Buy or Newegg price match.
 

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I think the reason for not seeing much beyond 34" is lack of consumer demand. The market in this segment is very small despite what we may see posted here on HF. If you had millions of consumers asking and demanding bigger monitors then the manufacturers would start making them. Until then the advancement is going to be really slow. Just my opinion.
 

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I stand corrected. Doesn't seem to affect sharpness or resolution according to RTNGS.COM. They also claim it's a 10-bit panel.

Noticed that pretty much all Samsung VA panels has the same layout as the 6290/6300 series. That includes the KS8000. Don't think it's a problem at all or else it would be posted all over the net.
 

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40" is enormous compared to most monitors. I'm sitting about three feet away, and at that distance, I find the height (19.6 in) just a bit too tall, and because of the 16:9 aspect ratio, it's way too wide.

I've been trying some alternate aspect ratios and resolutions to see if I could find a more ideal size. Here's Just Cause 3 at an unscaled 2850x1900 (3:2 aspect ratio):

4kTooBig_l7h0tbasdc.jpg


The actual image there is about 25.5" wide and 17" tall. That res is much easier to drive with a 1070 and I much prefer the 3:2 aspect ratio over 16:9. We need more 3:2 monitors!

This screen, the Samsung KU6300/6290 with VA panels, also use a BGR pixel layout. Not sure why.
Which mouse are you using in this screenshot?
 

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BGR is common in TV panels, which is what all these 40" "monitors" use.

Most windows apps can be corrected with a simple truetype setting change, but it just goes to show how the market has yet to take these seriously as monitors.
 

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BGR is common in TV panels, which is what all these 40" "monitors" use.

Most windows apps can be corrected with a simple truetype setting change, but it just goes to show how the market has yet to take these seriously as monitors.
Wait, I thought we already cleared up that the 40" TVs use RGB. Can anyone reconfirmed?
 

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Per tftcentral news, two 16:9 144hz gaming monitors at 37.5" and 31.5" are planned.. 4k ips and 2560x1440 VA .
They won't have 1000nit, HDR, and FALD (384 zone), so feature wise will be inferior to the groundbreaking 27" 384 zone FALD 144hz gsync gaming monitors from Asus and acer in Q4. The contrast and black depth of each will be interesting to compare when there are reviews of each.

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What is the equivalent size vs distance perspective unit ratio wise?


That is, a 27" at 1.5 to 2 feet at a desk... how many feet back would a 32inch or 40 inch display have to be to fill the same portion of your viewing perspective? Paint an imaginary grid on the far wall for example. Where would the two monitors cover the same number of squares to your viewpoint, compared to the 27inch at 1.5 to 2 Feet? (or vice versa moving the 27" compared to your prefered monitor size + viewing distance).
 

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Wait, I thought we already cleared up that the 40" TVs use RGB. Can anyone reconfirmed?

@ Panel:

With PC monitors the subpixel layout is almost always RGB. However, TVs are different. Just pick any popular 40 inch model on RTGINS.com, like the Sony X830C and check in what order the pixels are. With the exception of the Samsung JU6400, all 40 inch screens I have come across are BGR.

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@ Panel:

With PC monitors the subpixel layout is almost always RGB. However, TVs are different. Just pick any popular 40 inch model on RTGINS.com, like the Sony X830C and check in what order the pixels are. With the exception of the Samsung JU6400, all 40 inch screens I have come across are BGR.

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It's not just 40" panels. Even Samsung's expensive large panels have the same pixel layout. It's really a non-issue.
 

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@ Panel:

With PC monitors the subpixel layout is almost always RGB. However, TVs are different. Just pick any popular 40 inch model on RTGINS.com, like the Sony X830C and check in what order the pixels are. With the exception of the Samsung JU6400, all 40 inch screens I have come across are BGR.

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I'm only basing my sentiment on the multiple statements from other posters on this thread saying the KU6300 is RGB. They could be wrong, for all I know.
 

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4K at 40" is approx the same PPI as a 1440P 27", which is what I came from before I added the 40" 4k. Felt right at home when you sit the correct distance away.
But it has to be farther so it would effectively have even higher DPI. I find 27" 1440 on the limit as is.
 

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Panel, the second shot I posted is a super-macro I took last night of the pixels (really hard to get in focus, btw); The 6290/6300 definitely use a BGR layout, but like Rahkeesh said, the layout doesn't really matter. You can just run the ClearType Text Tuner.

For anyone still considering this 40" as a monitor, if you can get it at a good price (I was able to buy it at Costco shortly after black Friday for $290), it's a good, inexpensive 4k screen. But there are several drawbacks; the most distracting of which is the screen coating. It has that dirty, rainbow speckle of an old TN panel when viewed from even just a little bit of an off angle. The second issue is the slow pixel transitions, so I wish Samsung would offer, even in a hidden service menu, the ability to adjust pixel overdrive. The third is that the backlight uniformity is pretty poor; the corners of my screen are darker than the center, and even in the center, there's a bit of a wavy brightness transition. And of course, because this is a VA panel, colors are going to change as you move your head around, but that's the trade-off for the higher contrast over IPS.

Anyone else try any different aspect ratios? I'm curious if I'm the only one not 100% sold on 16:9.

Oh, and and the mouse in the first picture is the good old G9x!
 

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But it has to be farther so it would effectively have even higher DPI. I find 27" 1440 on the limit as is.

I was worried about that. And them I wall mounted my 40" 4K, and I site about 18 inches farther away from it than I did my 1440P 27". I havent had any issues. Just my experience.

At a closer distance I was not happy with such a large display.
 

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No problems during non-gaming tasks? Browsing, menus, toolbars...?
 

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Per tftcentral news, two 16:9 144hz gaming monitors at 37.5" and 31.5" are planned.. 4k ips and 2560x1440 VA .
They won't have 1000nit, HDR, and FALD (384 zone), so feature wise will be inferior to the groundbreaking 27" 384 zone FALD 144hz gsync gaming monitors from Asus and acer in Q4. The contrast and black depth of each will be interesting to compare when there are reviews of each.

Where can i find this tftcentral news you're talking about? Since I searched with no luck I registered to ask if you could post the link if you don't mind. Thank You!
 

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LOL, no, I have no idea about that, I thought he was joking. I was wondering because of the high DPI and quite a distance how was the readability like.
 

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But it has to be farther so it would effectively have even higher DPI. I find 27" 1440 on the limit as is.
Each person's different, but I've found it surprising just how close I can keep a 40" screen and still find it comfortable. Of course, it would still need to be farther away than a 27".
Panel, the second shot I posted is a super-macro I took last night of the pixels (really hard to get in focus, btw); The 6290/6300 definitely use a BGR layout, but like Rahkeesh said, the layout doesn't really matter. You can just run the ClearType Text Tuner.

For anyone still considering this 40" as a monitor, if you can get it at a good price (I was able to buy it at Costco shortly after black Friday for $290), it's a good, inexpensive 4k screen. But there are several drawbacks; the most distracting of which is the screen coating. It has that dirty, rainbow speckle of an old TN panel when viewed from even just a little bit of an off angle. The second issue is the slow pixel transitions, so I wish Samsung would offer, even in a hidden service menu, the ability to adjust pixel overdrive. The third is that the backlight uniformity is pretty poor; the corners of my screen are darker than the center, and even in the center, there's a bit of a wavy brightness transition. And of course, because this is a VA panel, colors are going to change as you move your head around, but that's the trade-off for the higher contrast over IPS.

Anyone else try any different aspect ratios? I'm curious if I'm the only one not 100% sold on 16:9.

Oh, and and the mouse in the first picture is the good old G9x!
Ah. Well, I as long as it provides no major issues, I'm happy enough. Thanks for clearing it up by the way. (y)
 

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I don't mean all the 40" panels are BGR, however they are all "TV" panels, so it's not surprising that *many* are BGR.

It's the smallest problem with TV panels anyway.
 

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It depends on what platform you are on. With Windows 7/10 it's not a problem to run a BGR monitor. However, Mac does not support it. Which is a shame, particurlarly if you want to use font smoothing. (anti-aliasing). Which you might want, since the PPI for these 40 inch monitors is quite low. (110 if I am not mistaken).

People say that you can rotate your screen 180 degrees and still enable font smoothing on Mac. But that's not what I want ;).
 

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It depends on what platform you are on. With Windows 7/10 it's not a problem to run a BGR monitor. However, Mac does not support it. Which is a shame, particurlarly if you want to use font smoothing. (anti-aliasing). Which you might want, since the PPI for these 40 inch monitors is quite low. (110 if I am not mistaken).

People say that you can rotate your screen 180 degrees and still enable font smoothing on Mac. But that's not what I want ;).

I assume the MacOS supports grayscale antialiasing, otherwise it wouldn't work with monitors in portrait orientation. So it should work fine, you just won't get subpixel antialiasing, if that matters.
 

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Personally upgraded from 1440p 27" to 4k 27" to 4k 40". I find that my productivity barely increased if at all. The entertainment aspect improved, but most people would just buy a tv for that.
 

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http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/high_refresh_rate.htm

I thought the 21:9 3440 x 1440 VA panels due out were at least 144hz. TFT central reported news blurbs/rumor that there were AUO panels and samsung panels due out at 200hz. I wonder if samsung is calling 100hz + backlight strobing once per frame "200hz". That's not the same thing at all.

Samsung to release 144Hz 3440x1440 monitors in 2016 | GPU & Displays | OC3D News

Samsung are going to release two 144Hz 3440x1440 monitors in 2016, pushing beyond the limitations of DisplayPort 1.2 and offering a high refresh rates at a higher resolution than ever before.

These ultrawide monitors will be available in 30" and 35" forms and will be releasing in Q3 and Q2 of this year respectively, launching at around the same time as the next generation of GPUs, which will be using DisplayPort 1.3, which can support such a high resolution at such a high framerate, at least on the AMD side that has confirmed DP 1.3 support.

Uh oh....
TFTCentral - High Refresh Rate Panels and Displays - A Road-map and Round-up

Article Change Log - Update 20/10/16

  • Updated status of 34" IPS Ultra-wide panel with 3440 x 1440 res @ 144Hz. Planned production delayed from Q1 to Q3 2017.

  • Added new detail of planned 37.5" IPS panels with 3840 x 2160 @ 144Hz

  • Correction to panel part numbers for 24.5" TN Film panels at 240Hz

  • Updated mass production dates for 240Hz TN Film panels. 24.5" now in mass production from Oct, and 27" from Nov 2016.

  • Updated mass production date for 27" 240Hz TN Film panels, Oct/Nov 2016. Panel part numbers also updated

  • Update to 35" 3440 x 1440 VA panels from AUO. 100Hz versions mass production delayed from June/July to Sept 2016. 200Hz version no longer listed (now 100Hz).

  • Update panel part for AUO 31.5" VA panel with 2560 x 1440 @ 144Hz. Mass production expectation of January 2017.

TFT Central

So it looks like some 2560 x 1440 144hz VA but not 3440 x 1440 since they are still stuck on dp 1.2 for some reason.

edit: " The LTM340YP03 offers a 3440 x 1440 resolution and a 100Hz native refresh rate. It looks like that VA panel will first appear in the Samsung CF791 display although a firm release date is not yet known. no word on Samsung pushing these 3440 x 1440 beyond 100Hz yet from what we’ve seen, although we expect at some point they will develop a 144Hz version to rival what LG.Display are doing with their IPS panels in this space, but probably not until 2017."

Added new detail of planned 37.5" IPS panels with 3840 x 2160 @ 144Hz

Update panel part for AUO 31.5" VA panel with 2560 x 1440 @ 144Hz. Mass production expectation of January 2017.


 
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