Who's planning to buy 5700(?) GPU

I am due for a new build, and for video work. The VII is currently faster than the 2080ti in the work I do and cheaper. But I don't want to shell out for old tech. :/

Maybe they will have replaced it by the time Rome or Z2 TR's drop...

I am ready to build some next gen pcie4 all nvme raid uber mutlicore sweetness, but where are my GPUs?
 
idiomatic said:
I am due for a new build, and for video work. The VII is currently faster than the 2080ti in the work I do and cheaper. But I don't want to shell out for old tech. :/

Maybe they will have replaced it by the time Rome or Z2 TR's drop...

I am ready to build some next gen pcie4 all nvme raid uber mutlicore sweetness, but where are my GPUs?
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Well there selling them as new in the professional market and it is on 7nm so old tech , maybe not ;)
 
Ehhh I'll buy a new card in another Gen or two. The 1080 still holds its own
 
I'm interested for friends and a new secondary rig as I've sold my other rig off due to hard times. But as always I'll wait for reviews although this time I'll be a little unsure as I've got no Kyle Bennett helping me out. No offense to him I'll just miss it.
 
Navi 10 is looking better than i expected, but i think i'm going to wait for Big Navi or Arcturus or whatever with hardware DXR acceleration. if they have a cheaper one that's like 5700XT - Rx VII perf but with RT hardware that would be fine for me & i'd keep my Vega for rendering & compute but myself i won't buy yet without good DXR support.
 
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Navi 10 is looking better than i expected, but i think i'm going to wait for Big Navi or Arcturus or whatever with hardware DXR acceleration. if they have a cheaper one that's like 5700XT - Rx VII perf but with RT hardware that would be fine for me & i'd keep my Vega for rendering & compute but myself i won't buy yet without good DXR support.
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That would be around 2022 maybe then you would get some performance but the DXR feature is pretty relative on its own , Nvidia made Quake 2 a game couple of decades old with a lot less surfaces or complex surfaces and they did ray trace it real time.
Think of that number of years less surface less triangles less ray tracing needed for a game that old , you think that any hardware any time soon will offer something that comes close to doing this with the current titles we are playing now ?

Regardless of vendor I would not expect anything ground breaking in the next 5 years on DXR beside check mark on the box ...
 
Watching this launch for sure. I May pick one up after the launch reviews and if drivers seem descent. Problem is it’s performance I already have at home so it would be a pure indulgence. Not like that’s ever stopped me in the past :D
 
If its an upgrade to my 1070 then I'm on board I'm currently on 1070 SLI but giving away one to my nephew for a new pc I'm building for him. Just waiting on the reviews for the 5700 XT
 
Anyone know what time specifically these go on sale?

Want to see if I have to wake up early tomorrow to grab one, I know how they always sell out.
 
why does amd show so little gain over every new node? amd was great before but, they hardly show any improvement. so why buy.
 
demondrops said:
why does amd show so little gain over every new node? amd was great before but, they hardly show any improvement. so why buy.
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While all the data isn't in, what we have seen leaked so far, shows very large improvements in perf/watt for Navi, and significant improvements in perf/transistor as well. Though that is some mix of process and new design.

AMD's biggest improvement in a LONG time.
 
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That would be around 2022 maybe then you would get some performance but the DXR feature is pretty relative on its own , Nvidia made Quake 2 a game couple of decades old with a lot less surfaces or complex surfaces and they did ray trace it real time.
Think of that number of years less surface less triangles less ray tracing needed for a game that old , you think that any hardware any time soon will offer something that comes close to doing this with the current titles we are playing now ?

Regardless of vendor I would not expect anything ground breaking in the next 5 years on DXR beside check mark on the box ...
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i'm definitely going to want a new GPU next year, waiting till 2022 is too long. Even if next years $400 Radeon can only manage 1080p60 High with DXR effects that's good enough for me. I understand wanting to wait for the tech to be fully mature but personally I'll take "fair to middling" sooner over "very good" much later. to each their own ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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i'm definitely going to want a new GPU next year, waiting till 2022 is too long. Even if next years $400 Radeon can only manage 1080p60 High with DXR effects that's good enough for me. I understand wanting to wait for the tech to be fully mature but personally I'll take "fair to middling" sooner over "very good" much later. to each their own ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Yeah but if you put the DXR in a space where it is used (game developers) they have to sell cards when the best cards support DXR cost the most money and the lesser cards support less DXR (however you want to put this, less effects , less objects) the near future will exist only using common denominator features which make sure that every card can use it instead of the best card only.

This is not the way forward for any technology because you end up in the same revolving door, devs want to support the feature but the feature is segmented so the effects/power from the high end card won't end up being used and the least impressive feature which all cards support end up being used.

That is a problem regardless of the graphics feature, since the market leader Nvidia made up this problem it is for them to solve it, because even if _any_ radeon card support DXR in whichever fashion the same problem remains ......

And even if AMD would give away a free DXR capable card with every box of detergent the market still prolly cling to the green thing anyway in the end the support and the segmentation is important in this story ...
 
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Yeah but if you put the DXR in a space where it is used (game developers) they have to sell cards when the best cards support DXR cost the most money and the lesser cards support less DXR (however you want to put this, less effects , less objects) the near future will exist only using common denominator features which make sure that every card can use it instead of the best card only.

This is not the way forward for any technology because you end up in the same revolving door, devs want to support the feature but the feature is segmented so the effects/power from the high end card won't end up being used and the least impressive feature which all cards support end up being used.

That is a problem regardless of the graphics feature, since the market leader Nvidia made up this problem it is for them to solve it, because even if _any_ radeon card support DXR in whichever fashion the same problem remains ......

And even if AMD would give away a free DXR capable card with every box of detergent the market still prolly cling to the green thing anyway in the end the support and the segmentation is important in this story ...
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WTF are you trying you say?

DXR is a directx standard. If both AMD and Nvidia cards have the capabilities to use it, that's great for us and developers. DXR isn't segmented no matter how much you try to paint it that way.

Will the less powerful cards be able to turn it all the way up? Nope, but, that's been the case for every card since the beginning of GPUs. AA, shadows, etc. the less powerful the card the more you have to turn down the features.

DXR has shown that it is scalable, working from cards ranging from the 2060 to the 2080Ti.
 
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WTF are you trying you say?
DXR is a directx standard. If both AMD and Nvidia cards have the capabilities to use it, that's great for us and developers. DXR isn't segmented no matter how much you try to paint it that way.
Will the less powerful cards be able to turn it all the way up? Nope, but, that's been the case for every card since the beginning of GPUs. AA, shadows, etc. the less powerful the card the more you have to turn down the features.
DXR has shown that it is scalable, working from cards ranging from the 2060 to the 2080Ti.
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The RTX 2080TI does function better then the RTX 2060. No matter what you are doing this will reflect in how effects are getting used.

You can't run the same effects at the same intensity without crippling the bottom line.

This means that developers are not going to find it easy to work with how it is now. For instance Tessellation did not have these problems and that impacts how things are rendered as well.

And to compound the problem is that these features using DXR then only apply to less people thus getting less of a market share interested in your game features.
If you have to drop down to 1080P from 1440p on high end cards then you expect that people in the lower segment drop down to 720p to be able to get a decent frame rate and stil a game that you enjoy. What game developer will see this as a benefit for their game?

If you segment ray tracing performance you are going to kill it it is as simple as that uniform performance across the PC platform is needed for it to function in the grandiose style people claim it will change gaming if not you run around chasing your own tail and whatever happens it will never gain traction...
 
Pieter3dnow said:
The RTX 2080TI does function better then the RTX 2060. No matter what you are doing this will reflect in how effects are getting used.

You can't run the same effects at the same intensity without crippling the bottom line.

This means that developers are not going to find it easy to work with how it is now. For instance Tessellation did not have these problems and that impacts how things are rendered as well.

And to compound the problem is that these features using DXR then only apply to less people thus getting less of a market share interested in your game features.
If you have to drop down to 1080P from 1440p on high end cards then you expect that people in the lower segment drop down to 720p to be able to get a decent frame rate and stil a game that you enjoy. What game developer will see this as a benefit for their game?

If you segment ray tracing performance you are going to kill it it is as simple as that uniform performance across the PC platform is needed for it to function in the grandiose style people claim it will change gaming if not you run around chasing your own tail and whatever happens it will never gain traction...
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LOL asked you to clarify what you are talking about, and this post makes less sense than the last one. Tessellation had the exact same issue in the beginning, only high end cards could run it at all, but, every card had access to it and could run it if they wanted to.

Same with DXR, it won't be in developers interest to push it until all cards from AMD and Nvidia have access to it. Once both companies make it available for every card, then developers can just develop. With both companies using it, it will be in their best interest to push out hardware that can boost performance.
 
Damn, the temp and noise factor for AMD coolers hasn't gone away. Why can't they get it right?

Not to mention release driver issues once again. They keep shooting themselves in the feet.

I'm getting this from the TPU review BTW.
 
DooKey said:
Damn, the temp and noise factor for AMD coolers hasn't gone away. Why can't they get it right?

Not to mention release driver issues once again. They keep shooting themselves in the feet.

I'm getting this from the TPU review BTW.
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The driver issues seem specific to tech power up. Apart from the overclocking, that seems to be broken at the moment.

But, AMD have been very quick with driver updates lately, and they have already a driver out that's supposed to fix the overclocking issues, just didn't reach the reviewers in time.

They are decent performers though, and the custom cards should be excellent.

All in all a pretty good launch for AMD.
 
reaper12 said:
The driver issues seem specific to tech power up. Apart from the overclocking, that seems to be broken at the moment.

But, AMD have been very quick with driver updates lately, and they have already a driver out that's supposed to fix the overclocking issues, just didn't reach the reviewers in time.

They are decent performers though, and the custom cards should be excellent.

All in all a pretty good launch for AMD.
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Yeah, it's a decent launch. We'll have to see how they sell compared to the Super's over the coming months.
 
I grabbed a 50th AV card..The wonderful thing is dealing with AMD's slow FEDEX shipping from MN to OR...Also got a 3700x to go with it (if i keep it)...
 
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Yeah, it's a decent launch. We'll have to see how they sell compared to the Super's over the coming months.
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I can answer that for you now, the Super cards are going to outsell them 10-1!! :) Yeah, I am joking, but, only kind of. The Navi cards are decent, but, there is no compelling reason for anyone who has a Nvidia card to switch. The 2060 Super isn't too much slower, is quieter, uses less power and has Ray Tracing. Ray Tracing might not be a factor for many people right now, but, if deciding between 2 cards at the same price, might as well have it as not.
 
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I can answer that for you now, the Super cards are going to outsell them 10-1!! :) Yeah, I am joking, but, only kind of. The Navi cards are decent, but, there is no compelling reason for anyone who has a Nvidia card to switch. The 2060 Super isn't too much slower, is quieter, uses less power and has Ray Tracing. Ray Tracing might not be a factor for many people right now, but, if deciding between 2 cards at the same price, might as well have it as not.
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Also the advantage that NVidia has partners with AIB designs while AMD will only have blower cards for a while.
 
I'm going to say if you are looking at the 2060 super and don't care about raytracing then getting the 5700xt is the better buy. I will say if you are looking at a platform change microcenter has a crazy sale that almost made me build an amd system.
 
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damn i had my expectations pretty low on this one and ended up buying a vega 56 when i saw the original price AMD mentioned for the 5700XT, 100% regretting it now.. should of just waited.. :(
 
I am gonna wait for "Big Navi" for my next card in a year, but the 5700XT does sound like a nice card for my Intel 5960x system that serves as my backup system to replace my R7-260x.
 
ccityinstaller said:
Has anyone heard anything about GPU blocks?

I need one if I am going to keep my AV editon.
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shot in the dark, but probably not till the end of summer or whenever custom AIB parts start showing up. IIRC Vega and Radeon VII didn't have blocks available for a couple months after launch
 
ccityinstaller said:
I grabbed a 50th AV card..The wonderful thing is dealing with AMD's slow FEDEX shipping from MN to OR...Also got a 3700x to go with it (if i keep it)...
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3900X & 5700 XT 50AE here, AMD "notified me" about the CPUs & GPUs being available for sale almost one hour AFTER I pulled the trigger...

Now I wait for ASUS to release the Crosshair VIII Impact mDTX board & G.Skill to release their Trident Z Neo RAM, "designed for Zen 2"...

The Cobra said:
I am gonna wait for "Big Navi" for my next card in a year, but the 5700XT does sound like a nice card for my Intel 5960x system that serves as my backup system to replace my R7-260x.
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I also want Navi 20, maybe a Zen 2 Threadripper build sometime next year...?!?

ccityinstaller said:
Has anyone heard anything about GPU blocks?

I need one if I am going to keep my AV editon.
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Not the usual suspects, but maybe there will be an offering from the new Corsair Hydro line...?

There is also a Morpheus II heat sink & a pair of Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM fans...

But that creates a four-slot beast...!
 
Boil said:
3900X & 5700 XT 50AE here, AMD "notified me" about the CPUs & GPUs being available for sale almost one hour AFTER I pulled the trigger...

Now I wait for ASUS to release the Crosshair VIII Impact mDTX board & G.Skill to release their Trident Z Neo RAM, "designed for Zen 2"...



I also want Navi 20, maybe a Zen 2 Threadripper build sometime next year...?!?



Not the usual suspects, but maybe there will be an offering from the new Corsair Hydro line...?

There is also a Morpheus II heat sink & a pair of Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM fans...

But that creates a four-slot beast...!
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I am gonna wait on a CPU. My 1950x has served me really nicely since I got it when it was first released in Aug of 2018. Hopefully a 64/128 chip that is rumored I can pick up used in 2021, lol.
 
I would say the 5700 XT are still on the table for me after i have been going over reviews, but i have just been forced to buy a new phone, so GFX acquisition are pushed back further.
BUT ! Thats not a bad idea, cuz while i am going to go the H2O path on the GFX too, then i will not get a card with the blower cooler cuz i will have to use that for a while.
Also it seem like AMD are still doing the rather poor launch drivers, so waiting mean those will mature too, and probably wrangle a little more out of the cards.

So eager for someone to put the XT under water, and be able to OC the hell out of it,,,, and then see the numbers.
 
Oldmodder said:
I would say the 5700 XT are still on the table for me after i have been going over reviews, but i have just been forced to buy a new phone, so GFX acquisition are pushed back further.
BUT ! Thats not a bad idea, cuz while i am going to go the H2O path on the GFX too, then i will not get a card with the blower cooler cuz i will have to use that for a while.
Also it seem like AMD are still doing the rather poor launch drivers, so waiting mean those will mature too, and probably wrangle a little more out of the cards.

So eager for someone to put the XT under water, and be able to OC the hell out of it,,,, and then see the numbers.
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About drivers: https://forums.thefpsreview.com/thr...nd-2060-super-video-card-review.468/post-2310
 
Yeah this is of course depending on title, as far as i can see ( over x time ) you can see gains from 1 % and a bit into the 2 digit % improvement.
But a average lift of just 5 % will also make the 5700 even more tempting,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, of course the other part also make new drivers, so in a head 2 head it probably matter little.

BUT ! i do think the drivers for the NV cards are way longer down the driver line that AMD are, so AMD probably stand to make larger gains in pending drivers than NV will with their cards.
 
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