rudy
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So the deathstar makes a comeback.
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Enterprise SSD.... Intel & Samsung seem to do the best so far
Micropolis 9GB SCSI... So long as THAT never happens again, I'll never complain about hard drive reliability.
Intel isn't bad at all, they develop new ideas but always wait for competitors to implement first. Samsung on the other hand has a huge grip here, there's the competition and then there is Samsung sitting on their own level. We need something to drive these 850s down!
Actually, WD sold the Chinese part of their Hitachi purchase to Toshiba. HGST 3.5" drives come from the Hitachi Thailand factory that WD got as part of the deal; that factory was retooled after the flooding, and what is coming out of there since then is the really reliable stuff we're seeing now.
zero2dash and Dekoth-E-, the Deathstar moniker doesn't apply to HGST. It's a high-quality WD subsidiary now.
I administrate both EMC & NetApp SAN Storage at work... For FastCache/SSD & FlashCache/SSD respectively, they use either HGST SSD (EMC) and Intel SSD (NetApp).
I have seen Samsung SSD in everything from Dell/HP server OS mirrors to Corporate Dell/HP Desktops (same with Intel actually), but never in SAN storage arrays.
I think there is enough competition to bring SSD prices down... they are already pretty low as it is imo.
zero2dash and Dekoth-E-, the Deathstar moniker doesn't apply to HGST. It's a high-quality WD subsidiary now.
Roughly 7-8 years ago, had a Seagate fail. OCZ SSD failed as well after 10 months.
Since then, several Seagates, Western Digitals, Samsungs & a Crucial SSD are all still running and have been rock solid.
Due to the Deathstar nonsense back in the day, I'll never purchase anything Hitachi.
Yes, WD was terrible at this time. Seagates have always been around 5-20% at our shops until recent times but WD then was >50% failure rate. They always serviced us quickly but it still cost money...Betaboy1983 said:I've had nothing but problems with WD in the 90's and thought I'd never buy one again. Well, there was a good deal on a 512 gig in... 2001 if I remember and, of course it failed pissing me off something fierce.
i've had frequent issues with WD drives, but never any with seagate (it's now the same company anyway i think?). i know it's vice versa for a lot of people... just my experience. like everything MSI was complete garbage in my case, badly manufactured, broken, buggy bios... others love MSI. i have no idea, must be bad luck.
WD sold the 3.5in part of their Hitachi purchase to Toshiba.
Very true and well said imo, but at this point stats (and even specs) don't mean much.. e.g. MTBFs are usually determined by marketing hype and/or voodoo. The drives regardless of manufacturer fall into just two categories, cheap crap for home use (all drives with <5 yr. warranty) and not cheap crap for business use (5> yr. warranty). WD definitely wins in that first category ime, Seagate not only wins but R&D wise is several years ahead of everyone else in the second. Their 10+ year-old server drives are still technically superior in many respects to current drives from other mfrs.The plural of anecdote is not data.
Am I the only one who didn't have any broken Seagate HDDs but a broken WD HDD?
Actually, WD sold the Chinese part of their Hitachi purchase to Toshiba. HGST 3.5" drives come from the Hitachi Thailand factory that WD got as part of the deal; that factory was retooled after the flooding, and what is coming out of there since then is the really reliable stuff we're seeing now.
zero2dash and Dekoth-E-, the Deathstar moniker doesn't apply to HGST. It's a high-quality WD subsidiary now.
The old 40GB drive that I had in it finally wore out earlier this year. It took 11 years of near constant use to finally do that..
I used to be on the fence between Seagate and WD. But ever since Seagate bought Maxtor, their quality seems to be dropping. I am all WD now.
I remember thinking of hard drives like this way back in the day (these are only a few familiar brands for each category):
LOW END
Matsushita, Wang, Teac, Mitsubishi, JVC, Fuji
MID-RANGE
Maxtor, Connor, Quantum, Samsung, Hitachi, Fujitsu
HIGH-END
Seagate, Western Digital, IBM, Toshiba
And today, the list looks like this:
LOW END
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MID-RANGE
Western Digital, Toshiba, Seagate
HIGH-END
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The "Deathstar" nonsense is just as overblown as the Seagate Barracuda tick of death nonsense. That happened a very long time ago, and hasn't really returned. Though, 7200.x drives are still pretty unreliable "in my experience". I still have two "Deathstar" 120GXP 60GB disks in a Coppermine box that was retired after years of abuse, that I'd bet still work if I yanked it out of the garage and threw a CMOS battery in.
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4. When a drive fails, RMA it, but never put the "refurbished" replacement back into your array -- give it to a family member or put it in a non-mission critical system and use it until it dies. Warranty is mostly irrelevant with drives, because once it dies, you CANNOT trust the replacement. Make the hard drive manufacturer send you a prepaid shipping label, too. (as this failure in warranty period just upped the drive TCO)
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