Which RTX 4090 card are you planning or consider to get?

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I've only seen 1 card that was in stock on launch day. After that they have been out of stock.
I was able to snag a Gigabyte 4090 Windforce from Newegg on launch day. There were several more than that, but at the time, that was the only one that would fit my case, so I got it.

Of course, since then, I've changed my case and PSU. It's rather ironic, honestly.
 

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I think I've decided to get one from Microcenter and buy their 3 year extended warranty. I've never bought a card this expensive so an extra 3 years coverage would be a nice peace of mind.
 

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So what baffles me is, why the hell did MSI gimp the Suprim X cards to only 520W?!?!? If anything, they are perfectly designed for the 600W most cards are unlocked for. If there is an unlocked vBIOS for those MSI cards, I'd snag one in a heartbeat.
Probably because there is not much difference in performance pushing it to 600W from what I read. Going from 520 to 600w probably doesn't show much benefit.
 

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I was able to snag a Gigabyte 4090 Windforce from Newegg on launch day. There were several more than that, but at the time, that was the only one that would fit my case, so I got it.

Of course, since then, I've changed my case and PSU. It's rather ironic, honestly.
I am looking for a Founders. If do get one of those. I'll put a water block on it.
 

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I bought an MSI Suprim X 4090 but I can't use it.

I'm experiencing a boot loop issue on my Asus Z690 Extreme board.

There are a lot of other users with my same problem on other forums...

so disappointed.
 

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I bought an MSI Suprim X 4090 but I can't use it.

I'm experiencing a boot loop issue on my Asus Z690 Extreme board.

There are a lot of other users with my same problem on other forums...

so disappointed.
The card I want lol. I will make anyone's problem mine at full cost lmao. But best wishes to you, you get it figured out.
 
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Probably because there is not much difference in performance pushing it to 600W from what I read. Going from 520 to 600w probably doesn't show much benefit.
I mean, I get that, I would never game at that setting. But for an enthusiast card at least give people the option to push it for benchmarking purposes. It's a Suprim X, not a Gaming Trio....
 

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I mean, I get that, I would never game at that setting. But for an enthusiast card at least give people the option to push it for benchmarking purposes. It's a Suprim X, not a Gaming Trio....

This is probably why. I think after a certain point its diminishing returns.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition/41.html (MSI seems to be better regardless of lower power limit)

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-founders-edition/42.html (only 4.5% increase with 12% increase in clock with more power on FE)
 

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looks like nvidia just wants to offload 3090ti direct right now. Probably why they are doing the redemption thing for select people who might already have ampere in their system. Best Buy dropped them again today lmao. Probably doing a lot of offloading. 4090 FE might get more direct drops after they are done with 3090ti FEs.
 

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Using a 4090 at 1080p or even 1440p can result in actual worse performance than the 3090 in some rare cases and that's with the fastest CPUs out there. Nvidia has an absolutely piss poor hardware scheduler. You can even end up in cases where a mid-range AMD GPU matches or beats a top of the line Nvidia GPU if your CPU is inadequate.
 

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Using a 4090 at 1080p or even 1440p can result in actual worse performance than the 3090 in some rare cases and that's with the fastest CPUs out there. Nvidia has an absolutely piss poor hardware scheduler. You can even end up in cases where a mid-range AMD GPU matches or beats a top of the line Nvidia GPU if your CPU is inadequate.
Not piss poor at all. AD102 has nearly 20k cores to feed. You have to have hardware to route data in order to get there. This is part of the reason such a high core part might be slower at lower resolutions; the data still has to travel the same distance and go through the same number of stages in order to get to its destination. If the cores are not able to be properly fed, it will be, naturally, slower than a chip will less cores and a less complex scheduler.
 

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Not piss poor at all. AD102 has nearly 20k cores to feed. You have to have hardware to route data in order to get there. This is part of the reason such a high core part might be slower at lower resolutions; the data still has to travel the same distance and go through the same number of stages in order to get to its destination. If the cores are not able to be properly fed, it will be, naturally, slower than a chip will less cores and a less complex scheduler.
Maybe actually read a little bit closer to what I said? It is most certainly a very poor scheduler when your competition doesn't have that issue and can match or beat it with a much slower card. This has been an issue now on the last three architectures from Nvidia. Not only that but their last three generations of higher core counts have unbelievably bad scaling compared to the two previous architectures before that even at higher resolutions. The difference between a 3090 TI and a plain 3080 was laughable considering the difference in specs.
 

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So might have scored gaming X trio from Antonline. Had little over $50 premium. Let’s see if I got in. I saw notification on Twitter but was late and it was already out. Then I went on website again 10 mins later saw the gamin X in stock.

Let’s see if it all goes through and don’t get an apology email. But they are not on website at all now. May be I got in on few drops they did.

I do still wanted founders for clean looks for my build or the suprem X . If I score that one from Best Buy I’ll hook up someone here for at cost.
 
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Maybe actually read a little bit closer to what I said? It is most certainly a very poor scheduler when your competition doesn't have that issue and can match or beat it with a much slower card. This has been an issue now on the last three architectures from Nvidia. Not only that but their last three generations of higher core counts have unbelievably bad scaling compared to the two previous architectures before that even at higher resolutions. The difference between a 3090 TI and a plain 3080 was laughable considering the difference in specs.
Must we do this every time?

Nvidia has a ton more RT and AI hardware to route to than AMD and a wider memory bus. AD102 is far more complex than anything AMD currently has on the market. They are not the same.

Complexity adds latency.
 
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Must we do this every time?

Nvidia has a ton more RT and AI hardware to route to than AMD and a wider memory bus. AD102 is far more complex than anything AMD currently has on the market. They are not the same.

Complexity adds latency.
This did not start with this generation of card and was clearly a problem on the previous generation and on the generation before to some extent. As some reviewers noted this comes down to hardware scheduler doing a poor job. AMD doesn't have the same issue so if you want to blame it on the fact that Nvidia has more stuff in their chip then go ahead if you think that's the reason. From the user standpoint the hardware scheduler cannot keep up with the GPU even with the latest CPUs and completely shits itself at lower resolutions. If you don't have a top-of-the-line CPU then it's even worse. So whether you believe it's the hardware scheduler or not, the bottom line is NVIDIA needs to fix this issue.
 

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So might have scored gaming X trio from Antonline. Had little over $50 premium. Let’s see if I got in. I saw notification on Twitter but was late and it was already out. Then I went on website again 10 mins later saw the gamin X in stock.

Let’s see if it all goes through and don’t get an apology email. But they are not on website at all now. May be I got in on few drops they did.

I do still wanted founders for clean looks for my build or the suprem X . If I score that one from Best Buy I’ll hook up someone here for at cost.
I passed on that despite having opportunity both times, no rush to replace the 3090 and would rather see if my tuf 4090 BH pre-order goes anywhere. I see snailbot is on Twitter with their shenanigans again 🤣

I just don't see this being sustainable given macros fwiw, it's not 2020 with crypto+covid not to mention helicopter money allowing (kid you not) high-school janitors to pay 3k for a 3090 fee.

100% Nvidia wanted this to happen, just look at how AMD pulled off the Zen 4 launch without a hitch (Zen 3 was almost as bad as Ampere during first few months).
 

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Well, it was *suppose* to come Wednesday... but I picked it up from Best Buy as soon as I saw that email :eek:) -- I ran quake champions at 4k 200%, which is 16k resolution I believe, was about 60-80 fps, so maybe I'll just stick to 100%

Had to pull one fan so it would fit, still running my 800w PSU for now, just threw it in there quick ;o) My Noctua fan isn't in either, need to find some case screws as my previous radiator for GPU was on the exhaust fan
 

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I passed on that despite having opportunity both times, no rush to replace the 3090 and would rather see if my tuf 4090 BH pre-order goes anywhere. I see snailbot is on Twitter with their shenanigans again 🤣

I just don't see this being sustainable given macros fwiw, it's not 2020 with crypto+covid not to mention helicopter money allowing (kid you not) high-school janitors to pay 3k for a 3090 fee.

100% Nvidia wanted this to happen, just look at how AMD pulled off the Zen 4 launch without a hitch (Zen 3 was almost as bad as Ampere during first few months).

Damn now that is one account twitter should ban to be honest lmao. Scalping can go to hell.

I didn't really like the look of the tough version. I loved the ASUS 670e for my white theme. Was going for more cleaner look, wanted suprim x for brushed metal but o well. Really have had good luck with MSI and Gigabyte warranties in the past if I wanted to replace the card in warranty. I wish there was a white version of the founders edition lmao. But all black looks clean to with white so still wouldn't mind that if I get a hold of one.
 

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100% Nvidia wanted this to happen, just look at how AMD pulled off the Zen 4 launch without a hitch (Zen 3 was almost as bad as Ampere during first few months).

Zen4 and 4090 launches not really comparable though, nor Zen3. Easy to go off without a hitch when demand was low for Zen4 (see Microcenter having to bundle free DDR5 sticks not even a week after launch). Zen4 is godtier, but GPU's are the new CPU's.
 
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Thought stock was plentiful. Wtf happened?
My card should arrive today. Will post nudes then comparing to the monstrosity that was 3090 Ti.
 

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I really want a founders card, but I can't be bothered to jump through so many hoops to get one so I guess I will just not bother.
 

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Never quite understood the appeal of a founders card. Noisy mofos.

TUF is so quiet. Much better than my EVGA 3090 Ti even.
 

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Well, it was *suppose* to come Wednesday... but I picked it up from Best Buy as soon as I saw that email :eek:) -- I ran quake champions at 4k 200%, which is 16k resolution I believe, was about 60-80 fps, so maybe I'll just stick to 100%

Had to pull one fan so it would fit, still running my 800w PSU for now, just threw it in there quick ;o) My Noctua fan isn't in either, need to find some case screws as my previous radiator for GPU was on the exhaust fan
200% scaling is 5430x3054 (16.6 MP vs. 8.3 MP).
 

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Never quite understood the appeal of a founders card. Noisy mofos.

There is an interesting rumor that Nvidia binned chips for the FE. Jayztwocent reports his FE clocks higher on the memory than his Strix, which carries a $400 premium. Definitely something to consider, unless the rumor is complete BS.
 

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sad to se the FE cards bidding close to 3k on ebay lol. You can't even win with nvidia sending people redemption links, they even selling those. Like if you don't want it people let it go to next person lmao.
 
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sad to se the FE cards bidding close to 3k on ebay lol. You can't even win with nvidia sending people redemption links, they even selling those. Like if you don't want it people let it go to next person lmao.
Just people with 0 patience and money to waste.
 

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The greatness of the FE this gen is why EVGA exited. So it's no surprise that it's in high demand. Couple that with the fact that it is the most economical price wise and more importantly - sizing wise. It fits more cases.
 

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The greatness of the FE this gen is why EVGA exited. So it's no surprise that it's in high demand. Couple that with the fact that it is the most economical price wise and more importantly - sizing wise. It fits more cases.
Yep.
 

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Never quite understood the appeal of a founders card. Noisy mofos.

TUF is so quiet. Much better than my EVGA 3090 Ti even.
You clearly are not into water cooling. Those like me who are, prefer the founders cards because there typically is much wider availability of water blocks for them. And with WC, no need to worry about noisy fans.
 
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