no, unless you’re foolish enough to believe random you tubers claiming an influx of supply coming in November, December, and January.All that makes sense.
Speaking of availability, is there any general consensus/info from NVIDIA or AMD on when the newer cards will be readily available?
People shit on the 2080ti all the time, but always forget it came out in fall of 2018. Sure, at the time it wasn't a massive upgrade over the 1080ti, but it was still 40% faster, not to mention the DLSS/RT support.GPUs have had awful pricing for years and over inflated. I understand a $1200 2080ti is now matched with a $500 3070. It LOOKS like good value so i see the demand. Sadly i feel like they are still bad price and performance. There should be no reason in 2020 why 4k isn't being crushed by gpus and this is not the case. Nvidia still is limiting VRAM too much as an example and will shorten useful life of the cards.
I want to upgrade but glad they are OOS so I can wait for the TI cards to release. Also waiting till around 2022 to upgrade my 4790k when pcie5/ddr5 become standard.
IMO, this is an easy button boogy man explanation for the shortage. Serious mining farms aren't even using GPU's anymore.Well, I imagine if NVidia sold $175 million of 30 series GPUs to cryptominers, that could make cards more difficult to get. Ya think???
Whatever the reason, I'm resigned to keeping my 8 year old 660 Ti (but I'm not a gamer) until next February or March at the earliest. I don't want to be sucker-punched into buying at some of the ridiculous prices I see on fleabay or amazon.IMO, this is an easy button boogy man explanation for the shortage. Serious mining farms aren't even using GPU's anymore.
The simple explanation is that a very small number of people haven't been upgrading their GPU's over the past 3-4 years. Now that there are games that have finally made a huge swath of GPU's obsolete, people across the board at every price point are finally upgrading. Couple that with COVID and everyone being locked up? Yeah.
Almost every non-Hard person I know is still sitting on GPU's from like 4-5 years ago, and they are all finally upgrading. It makes sense too, because most people are still running 1080p HDTV/Displays, and a 4-6 year old GPU was largely running common AAA titles just fine at that resolution up until now.
Maybe so.... I tried mining for a while in 2017 before the bottom fell out.IMO, this is an easy button boogy man explanation for the shortage. Serious mining farms aren't even using GPU's anymore.
You forgot a few more hangman tidbits:This is a multi-faceted issue.
On the Nvidia side, Turing was such a poor value; worst gen on gen performance increase yet highest prices and a shift in chips (anyone remember the 2070 having the 106 yet being the most expensive 70 class card?) that a lot of people on Pascal and even some Maxwell folks skipped it. On AMD's side, they didn't have anything for the high end for RDNA and many were waiting for Big Navi.
Then COVID happened and supply chains are borked. Lack of commercial flights too load cargo on necessitating expensive courier shipping to meet dates or else ship shipping which takes forever.
Then there is fab. And 7nm allocation at TSMC is split between PS5/XBOX SOCs, Zen 3, RDNA2, and others products. Not sure how Samsung 8nm is doing for Nvidia.
And people have been locked up at home all year and are looking to build.
Yeah you are absolutely right, forgot to mention the mining thing.You forgot a few more hangman tidbits:
- Nvidia selling directly GPU's to mining AIBs (maybe really just China market AIBs, government data center???)
- Lost at sea, there you go, going from China to Japan, wonder how many XBox/PS5s/CPUs/GPUs gone?
Most people are like that these days, a direct effect of our technological interconnectedness. I see it most often in my young students - most of them don't think things through to envision bigger gains with a bit of patience. That said, being bothered by this situation is entirely voluntary: play the games you have for a few months, upgrade in the spring, and you'll never feel the annoyance. As you said, it's all about knowing to be patient and waiting for things to happen.All of the aforementioned reasons plus on very important one not mentioned. American impatience. We are a notoriously impatient country. We want our products now and do not want to wait months for it. Call us the super spoiled first world nation.
There is a complication with that. The group of guys (8 people) that I’m the “pc” guy for, are all running something from nehalems to ivy bridge, with vid cards ranging from 670s to 1080s. The nehalem in particular are showing their age - I OC’d all of them initially to 3.66ghz s as that could be done at a reasonable voltage, but even at that config none of them are stable anymore. These guys have essentially played out everything they have, and they see a narrow window where they can buy new systems and actually game on them before the vaccines are distributed and things start opening up and they don’t have time to game anymore.play the games you have for a few months, upgrade in the spring, and you'll never feel the annoyance. As you said, it's all about knowing to be patient and waiting for things to happen.
Timing is My fault. I didn’t really start getting requests for systems until late July / august. At that point, I generally advised people to wait for the 30X0 series, and given the general release date of Zen 3 said October world be a good time to buy, unless they really wanted to buy right away. Had a couple guys actually buy case, power supply, ram, nvme ssd Early and then sit tight for release of the new stuff. ... not my best recommendation ever.Good point, although if Bryce been waiting to buy since March... they’ve picked the worst possible moment to go ahead with a purchase. May actually as well not buy until next spring.
Ah, don’t beat yourself about it, you’re trying to help people get nice PCs - I understand the sentiment, I’ve been doing the same with family and friends for years - but that doesn’t mean you can foresee giant shifts in market trends. Now in hindsight it seems pretty obvious, but looking at the past is always conveniently informed. They’ll get their parts in time. FYI they can check the EVGA website for GPUs and they’ll essentially be put in a waiting list to buy one, instead of playing the hunt for cards going one everywhere else. I’m tempted to register for a 3060 Ti, but want to see what the 3060 and AMD’s equivalent will offer...not my best recommendation ever.
I did register for a 3060 Ti on the EVGA website. Can't hurt, may even help. I just hope I don't miss their notification before the "window" expires. Thing is, I thought I would get either an Nvidia model or the EVGA model, based on features, price, and recommendations.Ah, don’t beat yourself about it, you’re trying to help people get nice PCs - I understand the sentiment, I’ve been doing the same with family and friends for years - but that doesn’t mean you can foresee giant shifts in market trends. Now in hindsight it seems pretty obvious, but looking at the past is always conveniently informed. They’ll get their parts in time. FYI they can check the EVGA website for GPUs and they’ll essentially be put in a waiting list to buy one, instead of playing the hunt for cards going one everywhere else. I’m tempted to register for a 3060 Ti, but want to see what the 3060 and AMD’s equivalent will offer...
Certainly a good idea! I’m so tempted, but would rather only spend $300 on a GPU. And hey, if you can constantly refresh a website, you can check your email 3 times a day, the window is a healthy 8 hours before they release your spot in the queue!I did register for a 3060 Ti on the EVGA website. Can't hurt, may even help. I just hope I don't miss their notification before the "window" expires.
As long as they don't send out their notification at like, 1.30 am.Certainly a good idea! I’m so tempted, but would rather only spend $300 on a GPU. And hey, if you can constantly refresh a website, you can check your email 3 times a day, the window is a healthy 8 hours before they release your spot in the queue!
COVID largely. It isn't just video cards. Game consoles, both the new ones and the switch, iPhones, basically any sort of new consumer electronics toy, people want it and want it bad and there is short supply. There are three major subfactors in that:It's nuts that these new cards are in such short supply. It's making me not even consider a new build. I'll just wait until whenever in 2021 that this supply issue isn't so acute. I know a game like Cyberpunk is making folks want to upgrade ASAP but hell that game will be a bug-filled mess for the better part of 2021 I will wager...so, without wanting to come off like a troll, what is fueling this sense of urgency for the impossible-to-find new cards from both AMD and NVIDIA? Like, folks waiting in long lines, etc. Don't get me wrong...I am really looking forward to gaming in 4K but it seems like you pay a hefty price - both in cash and in time and in troubleshooting/headaches (like with the LG CX48) - to join that club. So why not wait it out until said cards are available and the overall situation has stabilized?
I am not dunking on anyone and I know this is after all [H] but the supply>demand reality is nuts right now.
Old cards have surged in value for some reason too
Bought a 1080ti last year around this time for 390
People in my area now asking no less than 550
Trend continues with pretty much everything
Only thing I've caught here and there were of course these damned rx570s and 580s. With mining making a comeback that might not last long either
The perfomance is irrelevant. Features are irrelevant. Nvidia just stopped ripping off their loyal customers and had to come back down to earth with pricing because AMD was going to be competitive. Nvidia sees the pressure AMD is putting on Intel and wanted to fire the first shot, because Intel lost 3 years due to complacency and AMD outpaced them on every front.To give credit where credit is due, these new cards also are pretty fantastic. They are extremely fast and feature-rich--all of them. Combine that with a somewhat underwhelming prior generation and the holiday season, and it's not surprising there is demand.