What would get you to switch to linux from windows?

AltTabbins said:
"Have you tried running it with wine?"
"Didn't work? Oh it's super easy, just run this (insert small novel here) in terminal!"
"Oh I know what that error is, you are just missing repositoties, run (insert medium novel here) and you are good to go".
"Still not working? You are running Debian right? Oh, Ubuntu? Uninstall it and install Arch"
"Did you redo the steps I mentioned before and it's still not working? What gpu do you have? Shit, you should have said you have an AMD card, that changes everything. Go buy an Nvidia card, AMD drivers are shit on Linux".
"That's so cool that you bought an Nvidia card! Welcome to the Linux gaming elite. Those idiots who use Windows are practically asking for headaches, Linux is so easy"
"Ok rerun all of those commands again. Did it work? Yes? Hells yeah bro. Now that we finally got steam installed, let's get the drivers installed".
"Yeah those games don't work in Linux"
"Have you tried running it with wine?"

I'll just stick with windows and use good practices to secure my machine.
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You also forgot the fact that depending on the drivers you need to use for your Linux distro for various functions of the GPU, you may not be able to install steam at all...
 
NoOther said:
You also forgot the fact that depending on the drivers you need to use for your Linux distro for various functions of the GPU, you may not be able to install steam at all...
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Pffffffff. Filthy casual. It's super easy to fix. If you took a tiny bit of time to actually learn the terminal this wouldn't be an issue. All you have to do is copy and paste this: (insert tiny command here that is the size of the entirety of the Harry Potter books). I just don't get why you would want to use Windows with this kind of granularity available in Linux. Masochists.
 
I must be strange because I use windows, linux, and VMWare at home... right tools for the right jobs...

I even have cygwin on my windows box for the stuff I don't want to do in powershell...
 
B00nie said:
Enjoy you being spied by your owner, Microsoft. Enjoy running antiviruses and still getting owned by malware and viruses. Enjoy using your computer having to worry at each step, with anything you do, that you may be a target of an attack. Not just an attack but, you know, the kind that will actually work! Enjoy using your credit card online or doing banking with a computer that runs an OS that's the number one target of an attack on this planet. Sounds like fun! If you're a masochist.
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The same lame arguments against Windows. Firstly, very few new (post XP) Windows installs have malware, less than .01% according to Microsoft Security Reports. Those that are, are mostly caused by people who would be helpess in Linux. If you can't avoid downloading and clicking Porn.exe, you are not going to be able to do squat in Linux. Additionally, once Linux hypothetically gets more market share it will be targeted by attackers just as much as Windows. I suspect people like you don't actually understand computers and think Linux has some magical security that Windows lacks, about the only thing separating them is that Linux users get their apps from repositories instead of web sites and Linux's microscopic desktop market share, but MS is aiming to address the software distribution bit with the Windows store. Maybe if Linux users had some arguments in favor of Linux that weren't from the 90s people would take Linux more seriously.

As far as me switching, I don't play many games but I do enjoy them when I do, so I'd have to see just about all triple-A games having a functional supported Linux port first.
 
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The virus / malware argument is stupid anyways. I've been using Windows since 3.1 and I got maybe 3 infections my entire life, all of which were during the Napster / Kazaa / DC++ days of my teenage stupidity. I haven't had one in at least over a decade. Also like devil said, the people that are dumb enough to go to compromised sites unprotected or click dumbass spam email links are the type that wouldn't know how to get past the admin login screen in Linux.
 
HeavensCloud said:
The virus / malware argument is stupid anyways. I've been using Windows since 3.1 and I got maybe 3 infections my entire life, all of which were during the Napster / Kazaa / DC++ days of my teenage stupidity. I haven't had one in at least over a decade. Also like devil said, the people that are dumb enough to go to compromised sites unprotected or click dumbass spam email links are the type that wouldn't know how to get past the admin login screen in Linux.
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Even though I love Linux I can't disagree. Gone is the days of drive by silent infection that could hose everything. UAC changed a lot of that as did the lack of admin rights for default users. Of course that doesn't stop people from being morons and just clicking Yes to the UAC window but you can't fix stupid.


What made me jump 100% to Linux after dual-booting for the last few years? Windows 10.
 
HeavensCloud said:
The virus / malware argument is stupid anyways. I've been using Windows since 3.1 and I got maybe 3 infections my entire life, all of which were during the Napster / Kazaa / DC++ days of my teenage stupidity. I haven't had one in at least over a decade. Also like devil said, the people that are dumb enough to go to compromised sites unprotected or click dumbass spam email links are the type that wouldn't know how to get past the admin login screen in Linux.
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It's not stupid. There is no way that you can argue that Windows isn't swamped with malware and virus issues in comparison to Linux, you just cannot argue that point as it's untrue!

And I'm not claiming it's an issue because of necessarily less security under Windows, it's an issue because of the forced popularity of Windows - Although bear in mind that considering the data centre/server/supercomputer market Linux is actually the more popular OS globally - However attacks on those machines seem rare for some obscure reason.

Good job on using safe computer usage habits and remaining, as far as you know, infection free - However you just cannot claim that issues with malicious software isn't a massive problem on the Windows platform in comparison to Linux or even OSX.
 
BulletDust said:
Good job on using safe computer usage habits and remaining, as far as you know, infection free - However you just cannot claim that issues with malicious software isn't a massive problem on the Windows platform in comparison to Linux or even OSX.
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Well, that's like saying there are fewer instances of cancer on mars. It doesn't necessarily mean its a better place to live.
 
KazeoHin said:
Well, that's like saying there are fewer instances of cancer on mars. It doesn't necessarily mean its a better place to live.
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That comparison makes no sense whatsoever..?

FACT: Windows suffers from malicious software attacks exponentially in direct comparison to Linux. It's that simple, you can't argue that point.
 
BulletDust said:
That comparison makes no sense whatsoever..?

FACT: Windows suffers from malicious software attacks exponentially in direct comparison to Linux. It's that simple, you can't argue that point.
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And once again, FACT: Mars has fewer human deaths in direct comparison to Earth. It's that simple, you can't argue that point.




















HINT HINT I'M SUBTLY DIGGING AT THE FACT THAT LINUX HAS NO USERS TO TARGET FOR MALICIOUS CODE HINT HINT IF LINUX HAD THE USERBASE WINDOWS DID IT WOULD HAVE JUST AS MANY VIRUSES HINT HINT I DID THAT BY DIRECTLY IMITATING YOUR ARGUMENT THEREFORE SHOWING THAT YET ANOTHER PARALLEL CAN BE DRAWN FROM MY COMPARISON HINT HINT.
 
Right, so you're un-nessecarily reiterating what I already stated....
 
BulletDust said:
Right, so you're un-nessecarily reiterating what I already stated....
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Yes, which makes it an un-fact. It has no baring on a Linux-versus-Windows discussion. If Linux missionaries WERE successful in converting the hoards of Windows users over to their favourite distro, the viruses would come with them. In FACT, if you count Android as a Linux distro, there are tonnes of viruses and malware for Linux causing more and more loss each year. Linux isn't any more secure.
 
KazeoHin said:
Yes, which makes it an un-fact. It has no baring on a Linux-versus-Windows discussion. If Linux missionaries WERE successful in converting the hoards of Windows users over to their favourite distro, the viruses would come with them. In FACT, if you count Android as a Linux distro, there are tonnes of viruses and malware for Linux causing more and more loss each year. Linux isn't any more secure.
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Where did I claim that Linux was more secure?!
 
BulletDust said:
Where did I claim that Linux was more secure?!
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right about...

BulletDust said:
...However you just cannot claim that issues with malicious software isn't a massive problem on the Windows platform in comparison to Linux or even OSX.
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...there...

BulletDust said:
FACT: Windows suffers from malicious software attacks exponentially in direct comparison to Linux. It's that simple, you can't argue that point.
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...and there.

And not just you. Every Linux user I've had discussions with use it as a selling point and crazy advantage to the point its taboo to even disagree with it.

Oh, and before you want to fallback on the 'fewer viruses does not mean more secure', argument, then yes. You never stated the opposite. But you did however seem to react on the hostile side when I made the same statement only framed in a way that devalues Linux, which puts your above quotes in a different context.
 
Yeah....

...And nowhere there did I once claim that the issue was due to less security on behalf of the Windows operating system.

You're reading into things a little too much. Did you see this quote?

BulletDust said:
And I'm not claiming it's an issue because of necessarily less security under Windows, it's an issue because of the forced popularity of Windows - Although bear in mind that considering the data centre/server/supercomputer market Linux is actually the more popular OS globally - However attacks on those machines seem rare for some obscure reason.
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BulletDust said:
Yeah....

...And nowhere there did I once claim that the issue was due to less security on behalf of the Windows operating system.

You're reading into things a little too much. Did you see this quote?
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I did see that, however I did not remember the author (you). I apologise if my assumptions were too off-base.
 
yeongil said:
Am I the only one who likes the command line? When I was a kid, our family's first Intel-based PC had a 486DX2-66 running DOS + Windows, and I was okay using the command line from that point on. Even now, with my laptop running Ubuntu 16.04, I will still fire up a terminal to do things, even though I could just click on icons to do the same thing. I must be weird... :wacky:
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No, personally I love the command line. When I used to use drafting programs, I always would prefer AutoCAD because of its command line. It's also why I mainly like to use Linux for most work related stuff. However, when I am at home and I just want to play some games, surf some stuff or watch some videos, I just want something that is easy to use. I was using a Linux box for all my surfing/chat/etc and a windows box for my gaming, but some of the software I used was not being updated on Linux and I had some new programs I wanted to use that were not released for Linux so I switched that system to win10 and it works great. I still have some Linux systems at home though, I tend to use those for my various projects.
 
BulletDust said:
It's not stupid. There is no way that you can argue that Windows isn't swamped with malware and virus issues in comparison to Linux, you just cannot argue that point as it's untrue!

And I'm not claiming it's an issue because of necessarily less security under Windows, it's an issue because of the forced popularity of Windows - Although bear in mind that considering the data centre/server/supercomputer market Linux is actually the more popular OS globally - However attacks on those machines seem rare for some obscure reason.
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Some obscure reason? Let's not wrack our brains here, but maybe because you don't have teenage boys surfing porn on them, or soccer moms clicking spam email links on them etc.

Good job on using safe computer usage habits and remaining, as far as you know, infection free - However you just cannot claim that issues with malicious software isn't a massive problem on the Windows platform in comparison to Linux or even OSX.
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But what we can claim is that malware infestations are a function of market share, so everyone switching to Linux is not going to fix the problem.
 
devil22 said:
The same lame arguments against Windows. Firstly, very few new (post XP) Windows installs have malware, less than .01% according to Microsoft Security Reports. Those that are, are mostly caused by people who would be helpess in Linux. If you can't avoid downloading and clicking Porn.exe, you are not going to be able to do squat in Linux. Additionally, once Linux hypothetically gets more market share it will be targeted by attackers just as much as Windows. I suspect people like you don't actually understand computers and think Linux has some magical security that Windows lacks, about the only thing separating them is that Linux users get their apps from repositories instead of web sites and Linux's microscopic desktop market share, but MS is aiming to address the software distribution bit with the Windows store. Maybe if Linux users had some arguments in favor of Linux that weren't from the 90s people would take Linux more seriously.

As far as me switching, I don't play many games but I do enjoy them when I do, so I'd have to see just about all triple-A games having a functional supported Linux port first.
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Oh yes, that's why my parents and parents in law got infected about every 2 weeks as long as they were running windows 7 and 8. If you believe MS marketing lies, it's not worthwhile to even discuss it further.
 
Anyone claiming they're scared of MS watching what they're doing is forgetting how much information is already tracked by Apple/Google/Banks/Public records/etc. I have an android. I use Chrome. Google knows what I look at, when I look at it, where I looked at it, where I likely spent money based on how long I was at a location, was I speeding last night on the drive home... Hell, Amazon probably knows almost as much about me based on my Kindle choices, Prime music and movies, and that long list of things I ordered last week.

Interchangeability. Anything I do on Linux must seamlessly transfer back to Windows. It doesn't matter if I make the 100% swap to Linux if the work I do there isn't easily and accurately picked up by a colleague on a Windows box. This is why Word is nearly impossible to replace. Sure, LibreOffice does well for itself, but that 65 page manual sure as heck didn't look the same when opened in Word.

GUI. I don't care enough to learn the depths of everything I do on a computer. Using most programs shouldn't require figuring out the command structure, reading the manual for config options, etc.. Hell, even on my Windows machine, I probably can't remember half of the stuff I did to tweak it month ago when I installed Win10. Trying to refind an exe or a check box in a menu can be enough of a hassle. Trying to figure out which file, which command, which flags need to be run in a CLI would be brutal. CLI is powerful and has its uses, but a GUI is point-click-done, even if you don't have a good idea of how it all works.
 
HeavensCloud said:
The virus / malware argument is stupid anyways. I've been using Windows since 3.1 and I got maybe 3 infections my entire life, all of which were during the Napster / Kazaa / DC++ days of my teenage stupidity. I haven't had one in at least over a decade. Also like devil said, the people that are dumb enough to go to compromised sites unprotected or click dumbass spam email links are the type that wouldn't know how to get past the admin login screen in Linux.
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'unprotected' loool I laughed so hard reading that. I haven't met even a single windows user who hasn't got infected at least once. I've seen malware and viruses running even on corporate laptops that were so locked down that the user couldn't even modify his desktop icons.
 
KazeoHin said:
And once again, FACT: Mars has fewer human deaths in direct comparison to Earth. It's that simple, you can't argue that point.




















HINT HINT I'M SUBTLY DIGGING AT THE FACT THAT LINUX HAS NO USERS TO TARGET FOR MALICIOUS CODE HINT HINT IF LINUX HAD THE USERBASE WINDOWS DID IT WOULD HAVE JUST AS MANY VIRUSES HINT HINT I DID THAT BY DIRECTLY IMITATING YOUR ARGUMENT THEREFORE SHOWING THAT YET ANOTHER PARALLEL CAN BE DRAWN FROM MY COMPARISON HINT HINT.
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If cows had wings they would fly!
 
B00nie said:
Oh yes, that's why my parents and parents in law got infected about every 2 weeks as long as they were running windows 7 and 8. If you believe MS marketing lies, it's not worthwhile to even discuss it further.
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Yea it's not like Linux users would say anything to convert people to the linux cult. Frankly I'll take MS' word over those guys. Anyway, it doesn't address the point that Linux only has less malware because 1. it is mostly used for single function systems like servers without noobs surfing and clicking everything, and 2. it's desktop market share is so low bad guys don't care to attack it, same way a bank in Antarctica that doesn't get robbed is probably not because it is more 'secure'.
 
devil22 said:
Yea it's not like Linux users would say anything to convert people to the linux cult. Frankly I'll take MS' word over those guys. Anyway, it doesn't address the point that Linux only has less malware because 1. it is mostly used for single function systems like servers without noobs surfing and clicking everything, and 2. it's desktop market share is so low bad guys don't care to attack it, same way a bank in Antarctica that doesn't get robbed is probably not because it is more 'secure'.
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It doesn't matter. The fact is one way or another, it's 100% safer as time stands. I haven't had to fix their computers for YEARS now where it used to be a common occurrence.
 
B00nie said:
It doesn't matter. The fact is one way or another, it's 100% safer as time stands. I haven't had to fix their computers for YEARS now where it used to be a common occurrence.
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Logic fail, seriously. Linux is safe as long as everyone doesn't switch, but Linux advocates claim everyone should switch because it's safer. If you can't understand the flaw there you should take a college logic class.
 
devil22 said:
Logic fail, seriously. Linux is safe as long as everyone doesn't switch, but Linux advocates claim everyone should switch because it's safer. If you can't understand the flaw there you should take a college logic class.
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There are millions of linux users already and the majority of worlds web servers run on linux. You're the one failing here.
 
B00nie said:
'unprotected' loool I laughed so hard reading that. I haven't met even a single windows user who hasn't got infected at least once. I've seen malware and viruses running even on corporate laptops that were so locked down that the user couldn't even modify his desktop icons.
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Funny, I have seen more hacks into Linux systems in the last year than I have seen infections on Windows machines. I also cannot remember the last time I got malware on my Windows systems.
 
HeavensCloud said:
That doesn't mean you need to absolutely insult people that have a hard time with coding and command lines.
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Coding is nothing like a command line. Any command that you need help with generally has a --help option to supply said guidance. Or, hell, a simple Google search for man + command generally tells you all you need to know.
 
B00nie said:
There are millions of linux users already and the majority of worlds web servers run on linux. You're the one failing here.
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There are over a billion Windows users, and web servers don't have people clicking and downloading stuff. Will be happy to repeat it 5 more times to you.
 
B00nie said:
'unprotected' loool I laughed so hard reading that. I haven't met even a single windows user who hasn't got infected at least once. I've seen malware and viruses running even on corporate laptops that were so locked down that the user couldn't even modify his desktop icons.
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In 23 years of using Windows I got infected once due to my own stupidity...

On Windows 95...

During my first forays into the internet.

Most malware infections are going to be the fault of the user regardless of the operating system being used.
 
devil22 said:
Logic fail, seriously. Linux is safe as long as everyone doesn't switch, but Linux advocates claim everyone should switch because it's safer. If you can't understand the flaw there you should take a college logic class.
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Personally, I know I never claimed that all Windows users should switch to Linux, for this exact reason.

I correct the individuals that incorrectly exaggerate generalisations about Linux, of which there is plenty in the two Linux threads in question, and I highlight that switching from Windows to Linux is entirely possible - But never have I stated that all Windows users should switch to Linux.
 
BulletDust said:
Personally, I know I never claimed that all Windows users should switch to Linux, for this exact reason.

I correct the individuals that incorrectly exaggerate generalisations about Linux, of which there is plenty in the two Linux threads in question, and I highlight that switching from Windows to Linux is entirely possible - But never have I stated that all Windows users should switch to Linux.
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Most Linux advocates do want that, and it seems weird to me, how many users should switch to linux then? If it's any non-trivial number, the result will be the same. And I can appreciate there are generalizations about Linux that aren't true, but to me it seems Linux is built on a mountain of BS. Just hordes of people who believe Windows "doesn't has teh security modelz!" and "iz full of teh blue screenz" and other unix chauvinist starter kit crap and what not..
 
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devil22 said:
Most Linux advocates do want that, and it seems weird to me, how many users should switch to linux then? If it's any non-trivial number, the result will be the same. And I can appreciate there are generalizations about Linux that aren't true, but to me it seems Linux is built on a mountain of BS. Just hordes of people who believe Windows "doesn't has teh security modelz!" and "iz full of teh blue screenz" and other unix chauvinist starter kit crap and what not..
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I think there's a group of users that would just like to see software developers such as Adobe wake up and start developing for Linux, and realistically speaking, the only way that's going to happen is if Linux adoption grows - Although I can't help but get the impression that Apple and Microsoft have deals under the table with Adobe to limit development of their software to the two proprietary platforms, as 2% of PC users that we know of (logic dictates actual adoption is most likely higher than 2%) is an untapped market.

Personally, I'm quite content with where Linux is at at the moment. I've got games, something unheard of only a couple of years ago, I've got decent Nvidia drivers and I've got a software application for everything I want to do on a PC.

I find Windows cluttered and untidy with an inconsistent UI these days, basically the OS is too intrusive. Even OSX and the soon to come macOS is leaps and bounds ahead of Windows in this regard.
 
NoOther said:
Funny, I have seen more hacks into Linux systems in the last year than I have seen infections on Windows machines. I also cannot remember the last time I got malware that I know of on my Windows systems.
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There, fixed that for you. If you installed Windows10 it came with built in malware. Ta-dang!
 
devil22 said:
Most Linux advocates do want that, and it seems weird to me, how many users should switch to linux then? If it's any non-trivial number, the result will be the same. And I can appreciate there are generalizations about Linux that aren't true, but to me it seems Linux is built on a mountain of BS. Just hordes of people who believe Windows "doesn't has teh security modelz!" and "iz full of teh blue screenz" and other unix chauvinist starter kit crap and what not..
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There's a non-trivial number of Mac users and it's still relatively unhurt despite having huge security holes.
 
Armenius said:
In 23 years of using Windows I got infected once due to my own stupidity...

On Windows 95...

During my first forays into the internet.

Most malware infections are going to be the fault of the user regardless of the operating system being used.
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That's so not true. Back in the days there used to be multiple 'fly by' infections where it was enough to accidentally click a link and view a website and you got infected. Just not so long ago there were malware embedded in jpeg headers and displayed in advertisements on regular 'harmless' web sites. If you read e-mail locally and you're attacked, outlook will kindly preview the mail for you to make sure the payload gets run and you get infected.

Not to mention the software source model of windows that attracts people to download and run executables from the wild and untrusted sources. Without forgetting the very flawed 'protections' that make running Windows in limited user mode a pain - and on the other hand UAC pop-ups that get triggered constantly for trivial reasons just to teach the end user to accept the prompt when ever it happens - without thinking twice.

The USB implementation is STILL critically flawed and a direct route to infect any Windows machine. It's simply not safe to use a USB stick twice if you use it on another computer. And in some cases the infection came new out of the box :)
 
B00nie said:
There, fixed that for you. If you installed Windows10 it came with built in malware. Ta-dang!
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Actually it didn't. It came pre-installed with what you consider to be malware. That isn't the same thing at all. There is no official malware in Windows 10.
 
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