What is your preferred output configuration on high-end cards?

[chithanh]

I hope someone from AMD (Warsam71?) takes note of this poll.

A [thread=1866862]number[/thread] [post=1041687967]of[/post] [post=1041690144]posts[/post] [post=1041690331]here[/post] have questioned AMD's decision to launch the R9 Fury X with a 3 DP + 1 HDMI output configuration.
This configuration is rather new, but AMD seems very convinced of it. AMD VP Roy Taylor has even defended the lack of DVI on Twitter.

Since the introduction of Eyefinity, AMD cards used different configurations:

• The 5000 series reference cards introduced 2 DL-DVI + 1 HDMI + 1 DP
• One card from the series, the 5870 Eyefinity 6, had 6 mDP (6870 and 7870 cards were also available in this configuration)
• The 6000 series introduced 1 DL-DVI + 1 SL-DVI + 1 HDMI + 2 mDP
• The 6990, 7990 and R9 295X2 had 1 DL-DVI + 5 mDP
• With the R9 2xx series, AMD reverted back to 2 DL-DVI + 1 HDMI + 1 DP
• Sapphire's R9 390 Nitro has 1 DL-DVI + 1 HDMI + 3 DP
• The R9 Fury X has 1 HDMI + 3 DP

Note that due to physical limitations, only 6 outputs are possible on AMD cards (DL-DVI counts as two outputs). Also Fiji is limited to HDMI 1.4, so no HDMI 2.0 is possible with the current chips unless a Sapphire FleX style card comes with onboard DP->HDMI converter chip. As the FleX cards have been significantly more expensive than the non-FleX ones, cost is probably one of the reasons for AMD not doing this.

 

[TaintedSquirrel]

All of the AMD reps disappeared into the ether with Fury X's failed launch.
We managed to get a reply from the XFX rep regarding their warranty but that's about it.

 

[Cool Vibrations]

Other: 4+ DP

The other outputs are useless for me and obsolete. In fact, I think DP is the only output that can push 4k/120+Hz

 

[magoo]

I think NVidia has it about right.
One DL-DVI,one HDMI and three DP.

I didn't mind the E6 5000 series AMD I had, it had all mini-DP, BUT Sapphire also included every kind of adapter you could imagine.

 

[Osjur]

6 mDP and single slot cards with EK blocks pretty please

 

[Armenius]

I think NVidia has it about right.
One DL-DVI,one HDMI and three DP.

I didn't mind the E6 5000 series AMD I had, it had all mini-DP, BUT Sapphire also included every kind of adapter you could imagine.

Agreed, although I think the only way DVI will finally go the way of the dinosaur is if the output hardware stops supporting it. They could get rid of the DL-DVI for two more full size DP. An HDMI output is good to have if you want to plug in your big-ass TV, especially since no other manufacturer but Panasonic is including DP. Active adapters are not a solution on a display type that already has a lot of input lag.

 

[DracoNB]

What about 2 DL-DVI + rest Display Port?

 

[wra18th]

2 DP + 1 HDMI

 

[suiken_2mieu]

Well, I want 6 miniDP, but having 5 and another input would be okay as well.

I got into 5x1P setups and that setup requires a fairly specific output configuration.

It also spurred me on to making and updating a thread (at [H] and WSGF) about card that natively supported 5 and 6 outputs all at once.

 

[Lorien]

Fuck your short memory

Leading PC Companies Move to All Digital Display Technology, Phasing out Analog


SANTA CLARA, Calif., Dec. 8, 2010 – AMD, Dell, Intel Corporation, Lenovo, Samsung Electronics LCD Business and LG Display today announced intentions to accelerate adoption of scalable and lower power digital interfaces such as DisplayPort and High-Definition Multimedia Interface® (HDMI) into the PC.

Intel and AMD expect that analog display outputs such as Video Graphics Array (VGA) and the low voltage differential signaling technology (LVDS) panel interface would no longer be supported in their product lines by 2015. HDMI has increasingly been included in new PCs for easy connection to consumer electronics devices. DisplayPort is expected to become the single PC digital display output for embedded flat panels, PC monitors and projectors.

DisplayPort and HDMI allow for slimmer laptop designs, and support higher resolutions with deeper color than VGA – a technology which is more than 20 years old. Additionally, as laptops get smaller and their embedded flat panel resolutions increase for more immersive experiences, the power advantages, bi-directional communications and design efficiency benefits of DisplayPort make it a superior choice over LVDS, the previous standard for LCD panel inputs.

Intel plans to end support of LVDS in 2013 and VGA in 2015 in its PC client processors and chipsets.

“Modern digital display interfaces like DisplayPort and HDMI enhance the consumer visual PC experience by immersing them with higher resolutions and deeper colors -- all at lower power -- to enhance battery life for laptops,” said Eric Mentzer, Intel’s vice president of Strategy, Planning and Operations for the Visual and Parallel Computing Group. “By moving to these new interfaces, Intel is able to focus investment on new innovations to enhance the PC experience rather than having to solve challenges of supporting legacy analog interfaces on our latest silicon process technology and products.”

AMD plans to begin phasing out legacy interfaces, starting with the removal of native LVDS output from most products in 2013. The company also plans to remove native VGA output starting in 2013, with expansion to all AMD products by 2015. This would mean DVI-I support will be eliminated in the same timeframe.

“Displays and display standards are rapidly evolving, with new features such as multi-display support, stereoscopic 3-D, higher resolutions and increased color depth quickly moving from early adopter and niche usage to mainstream application,” said Eric Demers, AMD’s chief technology officer, Graphics Division. “Legacy interfaces such as VGA, DVI and LVDS have not kept pace, and newer standards such as DisplayPort and HDMI clearly provide the best connectivity options moving forward. In our opinion, DisplayPort 1.2 is the future interface for PC monitors, along with HDMI 1.4a for TV connectivity.”

While the large installed base of existing VGA monitors and projectors will likely keep VGA on PC back panels beyond 2015, leading PC makers are in strong support of this transition. The DisplayPort connector interface provides backwards and forwards compatibility by supporting VGA and DVI output via certified adapters, while also providing new capabilities such as single connector multi-monitor support.

Moving to the latest digital standards like DisplayPort enables customers to preserve backwards compatibility with installed equipment while taking full advantage of the latest advances in display capabilities, configuration options, and features,” said Liam Quinn, chief technology officer, Dell Business Client.

“We live in a digital-rich world and display technology must keep up with the explosion of digital content,” said George He, chief technology officer, Lenovo. “By transitioning to digital display technologies like Display Port and HDMI customers can not only enjoy a better computing experience, they get more of what’s important to them in a laptop: more mobility, simplified design with fewer connectors, and longer battery life.“

Leading display panel manufacturers such as Samsung Electronics LCD Business and LG Display also are in strong support of this transition.

Samsung Electronics LCD Business is already supporting this transition with embedded DisplayPort notebook panels, which we have been shipping since March of this year,” said Seung-Hwan Moon, vice president of engineering, LCD Business, Samsung Electronics.

“LG Display is fully prepared for this future transition. We already have different sizes of LCD panels with eDP out in the market to fulfill various needs of customers.“ said Michael Kim, vice president of IT Product Planning Department at LG Display.

The strong value proposition of scalable and low power digital display interfaces for PC users coupled with industry innovation around these interfaces should accelerate overall adoption of the newer display technologies for PCs.

Learn to swim
See you down in Arizona Bay

P.S: The funniest thing about all this is how Nvidia forum shills and fanboys would bend over backwards talking about G-Sync being the best thing since sliced bread and they have somehow forgotten that IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO USE WITHOUT DISPLAYPORT. But because Freesync obliterated their marketing gimmick they change their tune to arguing that they want DVI/HDMI lol

Nvidia shills are really turning into the biggest kinds of hypocrites lately

 

[rive22]

6 mDP and single slot cards with EK blocks pretty please

Yes

 

[kasakka]

I think AMD jumped off the DVI boat a bit too early as there are still many DVI displays in use. Dual link DVI is the biggest issue as the DP -> dual link DVI adapters are very expensive and seem to work erratically. So anyone with an older 2560x1600 display or one of those Korean overclockable ones are left out with AMD's latest cards. A single dual link DVI would've fit the card just fine.

If you ask me we wouldn't have anything but Displayport. But unfortunately due to TVs we still need HDMI.

 

[rive22]

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BI3YEQO?psc=1

 

[ccityinstaller]

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BI3YEQO?psc=1

Really? You posted a link to an adapter that is only Single link, not dual...From the specs..

Supports video resolutions up to 1920x1200 / 1080P (Full HD)

 

[rive22]

Really? You posted a link to an adapter that is only Single link, not dual...From the specs..

It's worth noting the res yes, but use your eyeballs, it's dual link.

Anyway, the point is that they are cheap, whichever ones you choose, and they work.

 

[HeavensCloud]

I like having DVI, but if a card I wanted didn't have it I would man up and deal with it/work around it.

 

[Relayer]

All of the AMD reps disappeared into the ether with Fury X's failed launch.
We managed to get a reply from the XFX rep regarding their warranty but that's about it.

First reply is threadcrap.

I think NVidia has it about right.
One DL-DVI,one HDMI and three DP.

I didn't mind the E6 5000 series AMD I had, it had all mini-DP, BUT Sapphire also included every kind of adapter you could imagine.

3rd reply has to tout nVidia as having it right.

Fuck your short memory

Leading PC Companies Move to All Digital Display Technology, Phasing out Analog


SANTA CLARA, Calif., Dec. 8, 2010 – AMD, Dell, Intel Corporation, Lenovo, Samsung Electronics LCD Business and LG Display today announced intentions to accelerate adoption of scalable and lower power digital interfaces such as DisplayPort and High-Definition Multimedia Interface® (HDMI) into the PC.

Intel and AMD expect that analog display outputs such as Video Graphics Array (VGA) and the low voltage differential signaling technology (LVDS) panel interface would no longer be supported in their product lines by 2015. HDMI has increasingly been included in new PCs for easy connection to consumer electronics devices. DisplayPort is expected to become the single PC digital display output for embedded flat panels, PC monitors and projectors.

DisplayPort and HDMI allow for slimmer laptop designs, and support higher resolutions with deeper color than VGA – a technology which is more than 20 years old. Additionally, as laptops get smaller and their embedded flat panel resolutions increase for more immersive experiences, the power advantages, bi-directional communications and design efficiency benefits of DisplayPort make it a superior choice over LVDS, the previous standard for LCD panel inputs.

Intel plans to end support of LVDS in 2013 and VGA in 2015 in its PC client processors and chipsets.

“Modern digital display interfaces like DisplayPort and HDMI enhance the consumer visual PC experience by immersing them with higher resolutions and deeper colors -- all at lower power -- to enhance battery life for laptops,” said Eric Mentzer, Intel’s vice president of Strategy, Planning and Operations for the Visual and Parallel Computing Group. “By moving to these new interfaces, Intel is able to focus investment on new innovations to enhance the PC experience rather than having to solve challenges of supporting legacy analog interfaces on our latest silicon process technology and products.”

AMD plans to begin phasing out legacy interfaces, starting with the removal of native LVDS output from most products in 2013. The company also plans to remove native VGA output starting in 2013, with expansion to all AMD products by 2015. This would mean DVI-I support will be eliminated in the same timeframe.

“Displays and display standards are rapidly evolving, with new features such as multi-display support, stereoscopic 3-D, higher resolutions and increased color depth quickly moving from early adopter and niche usage to mainstream application,” said Eric Demers, AMD’s chief technology officer, Graphics Division. “Legacy interfaces such as VGA, DVI and LVDS have not kept pace, and newer standards such as DisplayPort and HDMI clearly provide the best connectivity options moving forward. In our opinion, DisplayPort 1.2 is the future interface for PC monitors, along with HDMI 1.4a for TV connectivity.”

While the large installed base of existing VGA monitors and projectors will likely keep VGA on PC back panels beyond 2015, leading PC makers are in strong support of this transition. The DisplayPort connector interface provides backwards and forwards compatibility by supporting VGA and DVI output via certified adapters, while also providing new capabilities such as single connector multi-monitor support.

Moving to the latest digital standards like DisplayPort enables customers to preserve backwards compatibility with installed equipment while taking full advantage of the latest advances in display capabilities, configuration options, and features,” said Liam Quinn, chief technology officer, Dell Business Client.

“We live in a digital-rich world and display technology must keep up with the explosion of digital content,” said George He, chief technology officer, Lenovo. “By transitioning to digital display technologies like Display Port and HDMI customers can not only enjoy a better computing experience, they get more of what’s important to them in a laptop: more mobility, simplified design with fewer connectors, and longer battery life.“

Leading display panel manufacturers such as Samsung Electronics LCD Business and LG Display also are in strong support of this transition.

Samsung Electronics LCD Business is already supporting this transition with embedded DisplayPort notebook panels, which we have been shipping since March of this year,” said Seung-Hwan Moon, vice president of engineering, LCD Business, Samsung Electronics.

“LG Display is fully prepared for this future transition. We already have different sizes of LCD panels with eDP out in the market to fulfill various needs of customers.“ said Michael Kim, vice president of IT Product Planning Department at LG Display.

The strong value proposition of scalable and low power digital display interfaces for PC users coupled with industry innovation around these interfaces should accelerate overall adoption of the newer display technologies for PCs.

Learn to swim
See you down in Arizona Bay

P.S: The funniest thing about all this is how Nvidia forum shills and fanboys would bend over backwards talking about G-Sync being the best thing since sliced bread and they have somehow forgotten that IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO USE WITHOUT DISPLAYPORT. But because Freesync obliterated their marketing gimmick they change their tune to arguing that they want DVI/HDMI lol

Nvidia shills are really turning into the biggest kinds of hypocrites lately

Sums it up.

 

[Zepher]

I think AMD jumped off the DVI boat a bit too early as there are still many DVI displays in use. Dual link DVI is the biggest issue as the DP -> dual link DVI adapters are very expensive and seem to work erratically. So anyone with an older 2560x1600 display or one of those Korean overclockable ones are left out with AMD's latest cards. A single dual link DVI would've fit the card just fine.

If you ask me we wouldn't have anything but Displayport. But unfortunately due to TVs we still need HDMI.

We have HDMI on the cards not due to TV's, but due to the fact that all new monitors have HDMI while a lot less have DP.
8 years ago we had a pair of 24" monitors, 1920x1200, HDMI was the only digital input on them, which I thought was odd.
6 years ago it was hard to find any inexpensive monitor with DP, it seemed only the higher end monitors had DP.
HP came out with one 23" model that had DP and was pretty cheap, $250, but I got in on the $125 deal they had in 2010. It was the HP 2310e was all digital, DVI, HDMI, and DP. Has no analog input.

 

[N4CR]

DL-DVI
1 HDMI (I don't use it but good to have)
3 DP

mDP is a little flimsy, much prefer full size.