What is so special about Macbooks?

ZodaEX

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So after getting comsically fucked by Valve ((they shot me a pop up for my steam deck, then allowed the charge to go through, then told me I couldn't get my steam deck because I was late, then all of a sudden I had a steam decks worth of steam bucks instead of my card refunded, que much swearing cursing, asking them to kill my steam account (stupid I know but oh well) which they did not do, and four days later after all this someone finally emailed me)) we just pulled the trigger and got the MBP 14 with an upgraded proc 32gb 1tb.

I know apple jerks people around as well and I'm not making much of a statement to valve but christ what a bunch of idiotic assholes.

You can still buy the deck with those Steambucks. All my friends are going crazy over theirs.
 
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You can still buy the deck with those Steambucks. All my friends are going crazy over theirs.

And yet no. It was to be a thing to use at work and the experience was so fucking horrible that after having been failed by valve on each past hardware issue I'm just done. I don't need this.
 
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Egads. I don't think Valve was being malicious, but that's not exactly inspiring confidence in the company's approach to hardware sales. Apple is a bastion of consistency and fairness in comparison to what you went through.

I suspect your MacBook Pro experience will be much better. Goodness knows I'd trip over myself to get one with those specs.

See, and that's the thing. I don't ask much, I just ask not the stupid. The MBP is great so far. Went to the store which is a few blocks from here, took it home, turned it on and after getting in we have appointment to learn all about it at the store. While that's still odd ass in "way too much info but oh well" it's not 'we took 700 bucks, won't give your your shit, so here is 700 in funny money" level insanity. Who does that?
 

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Have you tried Universal Control between the two?
Works well. Nice new feature, but I don't foresee using it much. If I keep the Air my iPad will be my primary media consumption device.
 

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Got my new M2 MacBook Air 16GB/1TB today. Feels strange using it after over a year with my M1 iPad Pro 12.9" and magic keyboard. I keep reaching for the Air's screen to touch an icon or scroll through a website. Had no idea how acclimated I became with the iPad's touch screen. Same with the iPad’s Face ID vs. Touch ID on the Air. Face ID easily wins that battle. If I made the decision today, I'd return the Air and stick with my iPad + magic keyboard setup. Gotta give it at least a week, though. Never thought I'd be so comfortable with a tablet.

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Well, after 2 days my M2 Air is on its way back to Apple. I didn't need a week of use to know it had to be returned. All it took was a text from the director at my agency that they offer remote workers who've been with the company longer than 5 years a $2500 equipment allowance. I had no idea. They couldn't simply reimburse me because any job-related purchases need to go through them. Process takes 30-45 days, but I can live with that! :) (y)
 

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We recently hired a person who uses a Macbook Pro. And has been using Apple products since the late '90s. So we purchased a Macbook Pro for him for business use back in February. $$$$. Supposed to arrive this month, but we got a notice that it's on backorder till June. Why are Macbooks so much more expensive than Windows-based laptops with the same or similar specs. What is so special about them? Do they accel in certain uses? Plus, so much harder to ac
We recently hired a person who uses a Macbook Pro. And has been using Apple products since the late '90s. So we purchased a Macbook Pro for him for business use back in February. $$$$. Supposed to arrive this month, but we got a notice that it's on backorder till June. Why are Macbooks so much more expensive than Windows-based laptops with the same or similar specs. What is so special about them? Do they accel in certain uses? Plus, so much harder to acquire?
For me it’s the touch pad. Until 2010 I wouldn’t use a laptop without a mouse because the touch pads were trash. The IBM nub wasn’t terrible, but only Mac had a decent way to control your UI with a touch pad. The multi finger gestures in combination with keyboard shortcuts are great. Plus I like to have a Unix style terminal. Also I like how it works with my phone. Airdrop is great, as well as clipboard working between Mac/iPhone. The construction is also pretty good. Also the displays are fantastic, great color quality. Battery life is amazing with M1. Basically, if you’re not a gamer or otherwise someone with specific hardware needs, I don’t understand why you’d want anything other than a Mac. I suppose if you work closely with a lot of Microsoft tech it’s nice to have Windows, but I don’t.
 

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We recently hired a person who uses a Macbook Pro. And has been using Apple products since the late '90s. So we purchased a Macbook Pro for him for business use back in February. $$$$. Supposed to arrive this month, but we got a notice that it's on backorder till June. Why are Macbooks so much more expensive than Windows-based laptops with the same or similar specs. What is so special about them? Do they accel in certain uses? Plus, so much harder to acquire?

So what's "special" about macbooks. First I'll give the genuine praise. Their track pad is the best. Period. The implementation physically as well as the integration into the OS with gestures and things like palm rejection is second to none. They also do sleep/standby when you close the lid very, very well. The PC side of things is absolute trash by comparison. They don't succumb to install bloat as bad as windows based PCs do over time, although windows seems to be improving on that front. With the M1 and M2, the performance per watt is excellent.

Then there's the "good, but" stuff. Their screens are never bad, and when they introduce a new screen technology, it's usually as good or better than the bleeding edge in PC laptops, and become ubiquitous to their lineup pretty rapidly. Then there's build quality. The materials and execution of the materials is top notch. The fit and finish will be good. But do not confuse good physical design and fit and finish with good engineering choices. There's also, historically, a bunch of "good but" feature where OSX introduced it first, or did it better for a while, but that stops being the case over time. One example of that is 4k displays and UI/font scaling in apps. Apple was very, very solid from day one, but windows has caught up.

There's a shit ton of bad stuff though, and increasingly I'm hardware choices that should be of concern to enterprise deployments that are rarely considered prior to permitting them to be purchased. Their reputation for longevity is really not deserved.

Years ago, I remember hearing that Macs excelled as a CGI/CGA workstation. Do they still have an edge over PC?

They held no particular edge in 2D digital art at any point in time other than color management is better integrated into the OS, and in built font management was better. That has gotten worse, and now if you need font management you go 3rd party on OSX same as windows. Most of the platform's reputation was and is inertia from design places that keep buying apple with no real justification. The degree of magical thinking and unsubstantiated beliefs around platforms in that area is staggering. For 3D stuff, they were ass by comparison and still are. Bitching powerful discreet GPUs are still a killer app there. The one place they have genuinely, finally, earned any kind of deserved reputation is in video editing. The acceleration built into the M1 and M2 SOC is genuinely good, and when actually utilized brings a level of performance in a mobile platform that nobody else matches as of yet.
 

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I've used Windows, Linux and Apple computers for software engineering work, and I find that Macbooks and MacOS are just a bit better to use for the types of work I do (some linuxy terminal stuff plus a lot of browser and Adobe Creative Suite). The only way to run Linuxy stuff in Windows is via WSL which is a nightmare, or a virtual machine, which is another can of worms. So for my specific use-case MacOS is way better. I game on consoles.

I think for the vast majority of people, Apple's shit is way overpriced and inferior to competition in a lot of ways.
 
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