Quoted for the comedywhere did this crap come from...the 3850 was bs and now the 3950 again junk.
Read the experts above.
And just so he doesnt hop into a bigger rant: https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-3950x
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Quoted for the comedywhere did this crap come from...the 3850 was bs and now the 3950 again junk.
Read the experts above.
I've never seen a comment age badly this fast.where did this crap come from...the 3850 was bs and now the 3950 again junk.
Read the experts above.
where did this crap come from...the 3850 was bs and now the 3950 again junk.
Read the experts above.
Quoted for the comedy
And just so he doesnt hop into a bigger rant: https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-3950x
I've never seen a comment age badly this fast.
Yes, scary accurate if you remove the marketing names and prices (which are 2 things that changes more often than a baby's diaper.)So we got the full expected lineup from the leak minus some of the graphics parts. He had big time caveats on pricing and clocks because there was no way to have final details that far ahead or know what market conditions would be. Honestly, given just how far ahead those leaks were I don't know how they could have been much more accurate.
Yes, scary accurate if you remove the marketing names and prices (which are 2 things that changes more often than a baby's diaper.)
Considering the leak was from December 2018... pwoah!
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The fake "leaks" said the the 12 core part would turbo 5.0 GHz and 16 core part would turbo to 5.1 GHz.
Then there are the Zen 2 APUs which aren't even't supposed to show up until next year, and the Zen+ APUs that are missing.
The only reason the fake "leaks" seems close in your chart is that you only cherry-picked things that are close and disregarded everything else.
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Imagine I got 20% on a exam and only cherry-picked the problems that I got right to say that I did great!
That's exactly what you are doing.
Exactly. The leaks said 5.1GHz turbo, 16 cores, 15% IPC improvement, at 105w TDP. All of that combined was too good to be true.
Cool part, I honestly do not see use for it in any of my setups. Unless it supports ecc and can run on the ASRock X470D4U.
As for taking away from TR, I do not really see that either. They both may be 16 cores parts, but they are designed for completely different uses. Well... I see it may take some sales from TR, and that would be the overkill 16 core gamer who believes he needs all of that power.
Threadripper still has way more memory bandwidth and more PCIe lanes. That's of value to people who need it for workstation applications.
That's not true. It's an upgrade if the IPC improvement claims are true. A 15% upgrade and boost clocks up to 4.6GHz would put Zen 2 in a pretty good spot. Especially with 8c/16t and 12c/12t parts on the high end. Node shrinks aren't magic. As I said, when your improving processors, you can generally go for higher clocks, or higher IPC, but generally not both. AMD did manage both from what we've seen thus far. AMD managed to not only improve IPC by 15% (which is huge) but increase boost clocks fairly significantly. They did this while keeping a 105w TDP and increasing core counts. All that's damn near too good to be true as it is. Wanting 5.0GHz and all that just isn't realistic.
I wouldn't hold out hopes of achieving 5.0GHz through overclocking either. Like I said, you'll probably see 100-200MHz and load all cores if your lucky. Your TDP will go through the roof, but that's probably the best you can hope for.
The embargo date is 7/7/19. Its unlikely you will see anything before then. AMD tends to sample chips only a week or two out from the embargo date. Reviewers don't have their hands on them yet. I'm working with motherboard vendors to get X570 samples which aren't available yet and won't be for at least a couple weeks or more. Reviewers aren't often left with much time ahead of launches to work with the hardware.
German overclocker Der8bauer has X570 motherboards and 3000 chips in hand he gave a glance on his site yesterday in a video.
Well Der8bauer works for one of the big manufacturers.I'm actually surprised anyone would have them this early, but that's a very good sign.
Well Der8bauer works for one of the big manufacturers.
It is just not you that does not know what the word speculation means
We have this kind of conversation with every knew major product release. Speculation is great provided everyone is aware that it's speculation. We like to talk about this stuff, otherwise we wouldn't be here. Great! It's only a problem when people get emotionally attached to a certain result, and come to expect a certain outcome as opposed to discussing the possibility of a certain outcome.
I dislike both the notion that speculation is bad because it sets expectations (it doesn't, unless someone is being dumb), but also dislike the notion that it's anything more than what it is. Rumors/leaks... these are speculation ONLY. Never take them too seriously!
These companies spend a lot of time going through every possible iteration of product lineups, so I'm sure a 3850X was a possibility that was simply passed over for xyz reasons.
Well it isn't there anymore. I'd assume those would be under NDA so he probably got in trouble.German overclocker Der8bauer has X570 motherboards and 3000 chips in hand he gave a glance on his site yesterday in a video.
Good possibility that there will still be a Matisse refresh:
https://www.techpowerup.com/267523/...en-7-3850x-and-3750x-processors?cp=2#comments
Although Zen 3 is not too far behind, a higher clocked Zen 2 or 'Zen 2+' could keep potential buyers from drifting their eyes toward Comet Lake.
I saw that. Looks like these are going to be called the 3600XT, 3800XT, and 3900XT. I guess it comes down to how much more headroom they have and the price. Hopefully not vaporware like the 9900KS.
I saw that. Looks like these are going to be called the 3600XT, 3800XT, and 3900XT. I guess it comes down to how much more headroom they have and the price. Hopefully not vaporware like the 9900KS.
Did you even look at benchmarks? They were a pretty jump in performance from zen+ to zen2, especially in things that were sensitive to latency (like games).Unfounded yes, but that's what they needed to actually be an upgrade from zen+. The best description of zen 2 is, it's not slower. The twelve core is pretty cool too for people who can load 24 threads, but with the node shrink I was really hoping.
5ghz seems to be the silicon stone wall. I bet zen2 will oc up there with proper cooling.
Did you even look at benchmarks? They were a pretty jump in performance from zen+ to zen2, especially in things that were sensitive to latency (like games).
Geometric mean of 1540 benchmarks:
3700x is 34.6% faster than 1700x, and 21.8% faster than 2700x. I feel a 20% increase in performance on average is pretty good considering what we've been seeing. It's not slower is what I called the the 6700k to 7700k release.
That said, the 3850x (probably going to be released as the 3800xt) will probably be a slightly higher clocked 3800x for the same $ or slightly cheaper.
cough that post is from june 2019 and zen 2 launched a month later cough ..
i meant the post he quoted, lolI'm sure there was some sort of placeholder and then they edited it after Zen2 launched. I mean the Data shouldn't be that much different anyway.
Yeah, but hey, just goes to show people will speak as if it's fact before they see any benchmarks.i meant the post he quoted, lol
Did you even look at benchmarks? They were a pretty jump in performance from zen+ to zen2, especially in things that were sensitive to latency (like games).
Geometric mean of 1540 benchmarks:
3700x is 34.6% faster than 1700x, and 21.8% faster than 2700x. I feel a 20% increase in performance on average is pretty good considering what we've been seeing. It's not slower is what I called the the 6700k to 7700k release.
That said, the 3850x (probably going to be released as the 3800xt) will probably be a slightly higher clocked 3800x for the same $ or slightly cheaper.
I’m down to price shift rather than push the boundaries.
I’d like to see a $105 2700AF I can pair with a top quality $125 B550 board.
But the best we're going to see is 5% clock sped improvement, just like Zen+
Everyone here knows that the real meat is in Zen 3, and this is just to satisfy demand NOW.
Since Zen 3 is coming from the same process node, it would be mind-boggling if the new core didn't at eat match th e frequency pf the refresh!
Also, it wouldn't be 'mind boggling' if Zen 3 Cpus didn't match Zen 2+ frequencies. Architecture plays as much of a role in clock speeds as does lithography node.
Same goes for Rocket Lake. I would be VERY surprised if any Willow Cove CPUs hit 5.3 ghz turbos.
Sorry dude, this is going to be the simplest IPC increase ever: they're just combining the two 4-core CCXs into one 8-core chip! And the most likely 5% addition is double the side of L3 cache again!
If you think that SPEEDING UP that slow inter-core interface is going to slow down your maximum clock speeds, I have a bridge to sell you! AMD iskeepping thing s simple for Zen 3, They're saving the massive chnages for Zen 4 on DDR45.
Then I will buy your proverbial bridge:
https://www.igorslab.de/en/new-deta...us-have-appeared-the-image-is-getting-denser/
It's looking like RKL will have a similiar slowdown.
https://www.techpowerup.com/267526/intel-rocket-lake-cpu-appears-with-6-cores-and-12-threads
So while both Willow lake and Vermeer may offer 15-20% IPC improvements, real-world performance increases may be much lower.
In both cases, 6 months is a long time to wait for a potentially 5-10% performance boost.
From that link Vermeer is seeing 4.6 ghz boost on A0 silicon. It should be faster by the time it sees A1 release. That will make it faster-clocked than the 3950X
I don't care about the shit that is Rocket Lake, as it's obvious rushed backport of Tiger Lake. one has a stable process node, while the other one obviously does not!
PRETENDING THAT ONE OF THESE BEING AN OBVIOUS FAILURE AUTOMATICALLY MEAN PROBLEMS FOR THE AMD CORE IS CALLED FALSE EQUIVALENCY. Look it up, genius!
Because AMD is obviously going to suddenly start having issues on a process node + small arcitecctursal tweak they've already been shipping in massive quantities for twelve months?