Easy fix is to put in a 300 second time for the software to continue looping. Voila... heat generated!See the attachment. Cinebench R20 does not run long enough to have the heat build up.
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Easy fix is to put in a 300 second time for the software to continue looping. Voila... heat generated!See the attachment. Cinebench R20 does not run long enough to have the heat build up.
I am in the same boat as I am effectively air cooling my TR 1950x with the Thermalright Silver Arrow TR4. I'm thinking about upgrading to the 3950x or TR 3960x. Air cooling gives me peace of mind and once installed with a good TIM application, I forget about it. I've heard that a custom water loop is a headache, needing to replace the liquid periodically and I've heard a lot of stories about leaks at some point. Apparently a custom loop gives superior cpu cooling but with costs. I have the Phanteks Enthoo Pro case with several Noctua NF-A14 Chromax 140mm fans running. Air flow is excellent with this case but loud as hell with the fans running at 2800 rpm.
If I was going to go the custom cooling route I would absolutely do it the [H] way and spend the money on a good kit but the issue for me is the headache/reliability issue and leaking. I think the air coolers need to be improved for the new processors that have higher TDPs.I felt the same way as you about air cooling vs. water cooling. I actually water cooled about 10 years ago and got rid of my kit after 6 months when the original pump started making weird noises. I got it replaced under warranty and then sold it all off. However, I recently dropped a boatload of cash and am in the process of finishing construction of my loop. The [H] way. Good luck with your decision. You can enter the custom loop arena somewhat affordably with one of those EK kits. EK Classic RGB Kits
If I was going to go the custom cooling route I would absolutely do it the [H] way and spend the money on a good kit but the issue for me is the headache/reliability issue and leaking. I think the air coolers need to be improved for the new processors that have higher TDPs.
I have a Phanteks Enthoo Pro case and wondering if I can easily build and fit a custom loop in here. I only need to cool the cpu and not a gpu. I am gun shy about this because I want to do it right and not sure where to turn for a step by step. I take it you are very experienced with building and running these?If you build it correctly, custom loops are very reliable.
Sweet build!! After an initial install of this, how long has your loops run reliably without leaks or failed pumps and what kind of maintenance is involved in one of these?Yes. I've been using water cooling hardware and building systems with it for about 15 years now. I currently run a custom loop setup in my personal machine. It's a shitty photo, but you get the idea.
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Sweet build!! After an initial install of this, how long has your loops run reliably without leaks or failed pumps and what kind of maintenance is involved in one of these?
were you not eh least bit tempted to use soft tube to the cpu and gpu blocks for maintenance issues? I love what you have but wonder if mixing it up makes sense some times? edit...Never mind i just read you post above lolYes. I've been using water cooling hardware and building systems with it for about 15 years now. I currently run a custom loop setup in my personal machine. It's a shitty photo, but you get the idea.
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were you not eh least bit tempted to use soft tube to the cpu and gpu blocks for maintenance issues? I love what you have but wonder if mixing it up makes sense some times? edit...Never mind i just read you post above lol
no i guess if your used to draining it out and refilling it then its a mute point. I guess its not really such a bad thing swapping out the coolant every so often anyway?I had thought about using soft tubing for things like going to the pump where you can't see it but opted not to. I never considered soft tubing between the CPU and GPU or anything like that. Maintenance isn't as hard as you'd imagine.
I need to think about this. If I don't change motherboards or processors, how often should the loop be drained and the hardware changed and why? What hardware do people switch out, waterblocks, fittings? The other thing I'm wondering is if there is a leak, what happens to the components (motherboard, memory, etc?). Leaking coolant has to cause some kind of damage to the components. Also, it seems like constant careful inspection of one of these setups is necessary.I've rarely ever had leaks and all of the ones I had, were on the test bench due to simply not paying attention and checking my fittings every once in awhile. The loops in my own systems have run for months on end without issue but that's as long as I've ever gone without having to drain the loop and change hardware out. I change my hardware out much more often than most people. I'm not the kind of guy to leave a loop untouched for years on end with or without maintenance. My loops get drained, blocks get replaced etc. all the time because I'm always changing things. I built my current loop back in April and since then, I've added a GPU block and then switched motherboards, CPU's, and waterblocks out.
The only leaks I've seen outside of the test bench were during initial leak testing during the build. Even then, I've only run into one or two leaks in all the time I've been building systems. If you take your time, and ensure everything fits properly, you shouldn't have leaks unless something's defective. On that note, I've run into a couple of defective fittings here and there, but its extremely rare.
I’ve run the same loop in the same case since 2012 with my “spare WC parts” in my media center pc. Loop consists of a black ice extreme 120 radiator (purchased in 2002), a black ice 120x2 pro radiator (purchased on sale around 2004) a d5 pump, a swift tech apogee block, and a swiftech bay Rez.I need to think about this. If I don't change motherboards or processors, how often should the loop be drained and the hardware changed and why? What hardware do people switch out, waterblocks, fittings? The other thing I'm wondering is if there is a leak, what happens to the components (motherboard, memory, etc?). Leaking coolant has to cause some kind of damage to the components. Also, it seems like constant careful inspection of one of these setups is necessary.
This is encouraging but I am pretty confident that I can effectively cool both the 3950X or TR 3960X with air cooling at stock speeds even stress tested P95. I'm not sure the real advantage of overclocking these processors, meaning performance margin gained vs. extra heat. If I decide to go custom cooling loop I will do it very carefully and reach out to experts on this forum for help as it seems like there are a lot of very experienced gurus who have been building and running custom cooling rigs for years. One thing I am trying to wrap my hands around is the max. safe temp to run these AMD processors at for hours and days on end without damaging the CPU.I’ve run the same loop in the same case since 2012 with my “spare WC parts” in my media center pc. Loop consists of a black ice extreme 120 radiator (purchased in 2002), a black ice 120x2 pro radiator (purchased on sale around 2004) a d5 pump, a swift tech apogee block, and a swiftech bay Rez.
the system started out with a AMD A10-5800k, and got upgraded to A10-7850K in 2015. I’ve cleaned the block once (during the system upgrade), and I blow out the dust and top off the water every year. I could likely do the cleaning every other year but I know I would forget which year I last cleaned it.
no leaks and no pump problems for the duration of the build.
edit to say, since Day one, the PC has been tucked to the side of the TV and I only look it over annually when I blowout the dust / dog hair from my golden retriever.
The last time I had a leak is when my home made res started to leak on my old athlon TBird. Don’t even know how long it was leaking, just noticed when the pump made noise sucking air. MB was wet (an old ASUS nforce mb) but never had a problem.
I couldn't find any data regarding TDP. I'm wondering if this is going to out perform the Thermalright Silver Arrow rated at 320 TDP. Have you seen this? http://thermalright.com/product/silver-arrow-ib-e-extreme/Check out the ice giant prosiphon. I just preordered 2 of these bad boys for my 3900x and 8700k. Cant wait! Estimated timeframe june/july atm.
dam good question as that is the first new tech type cooler we have soon in ages...hopefully the FPS guys get one to play with soon https://www.icegiantcooling.com/I couldn't find any data regarding TDP. I'm wondering if this is going to out perform the Thermalright Silver Arrow rated at 320 TDP. Have you seen this? http://thermalright.com/product/silver-arrow-ib-e-extreme/
I couldn't find any data regarding TDP. I'm wondering if this is going to out perform the Thermalright Silver Arrow rated at 320 TDP. Have you seen this? http://thermalright.com/product/silver-arrow-ib-e-extreme/
I need to think about this. If I don't change motherboards or processors, how often should the loop be drained and the hardware changed and why? What hardware do people switch out, waterblocks, fittings? The other thing I'm wondering is if there is a leak, what happens to the components (motherboard, memory, etc?). Leaking coolant has to cause some kind of damage to the components. Also, it seems like constant careful inspection of one of these setups is necessary.
Its odd how many people come in here to an air cooling suggestion thread and suggest AIO's.
I think most of the people recommending water either have not experienced many, if any, failures or....love spending hours on a custom loop with draining and cleaning.
In a few months I will post here with my comparison of a 360 AIO and Pro Siphon on my 3900x with CCX overclocking.
What voltage are you using for the 4.1GHz overclock which I assume is stable? Also, what settings and results are you getting with a single instance of Handbrake running? (Encoding settings, resolution, length of video/movie, avg. FPS)NH-D15 with stock fans (Meshify C case with 2x Noctua NF-A14 iPPC-2000 intake and another as exhaust) gives pretty good results. I get 4.1GHz all cores 100% load (usually running two Handbrake transcodes simultaneously), ~4.3GHz in gaming and occasionally see a 4.625GHz single core turbo according to HWinfo64 (haven't seen the mythical 4.7 yet). Idle temp of 31C and max load temp of 78C. I know I could drive this down further by replacing the low RPM fans included with the NH-D15 with better ones but haven't really found the need to do it. Also could probably undervolt to help but just running everything at stock basically with my XMP profile for 3600 CAS 16 loaded.
I think the only air coolers I would really consider are NH-D15, Zalman CNPS20X, Deepcool Assassin III, and BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro4.
What voltage are you using for the 4.1GHz overclock which I assume is stable? Also, what settings and results are you getting with a single instance of Handbrake running? (Encoding settings, resolution, length of video/movie, avg. FPS)
I'm pretty close minded when it comes to issues like this. I don't believe that it's really a viable, technically sound product if you can't cool it adequately with air cooling. It's basically akin to admitting that they can't really hit the clockspeeds they're advertising.