Watch Dogs: Legion Source Code Allegedly Hacked / Stolen

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“This could open the game to problems such as hacking, cheating, or modding; something that Ubisoft definitely doesn't want to deal with at this point. It could also potentially lead to the game’s encryption being broken if hackers are resourceful enough. In a statement to Rock Paper Shotgun, Ubisoft simply said “We are aware of the group’s claim and are currently investigating a potential data security incident.””

https://hothardware.com/news/watch-dogs-legion-hack-and-leaked
 

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I feel bad the people who put in months of effort on this had their IP stolen, but a) I don't play multiplayer (largely due to cheats that would ultimately happen anyways) and b) I enjoy mods. If it's a hack that could compromise account security, that's more serious.
 

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I feel bad the people who put in months of effort on this had their IP stolen, but a) I don't play multiplayer (largely due to cheats that would ultimately happen anyways) and b) I enjoy mods. If it's a hack that could compromise account security, that's more serious.
I care less about their months of effort if they really did code this games scripts with a drag/drop editor. At that point its not effort and its insulting with the full priced title aspect.

Honestly since its ubisoft I'd actually expect this theft to benefit the consumers rather than hurt them. While exploits may happen access to this also exposes all the dirty secrets buried in the code such as call homes and if it scans your hardware beyond social acceptance.
 

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I care less about their months of effort if they really did code this games scripts with a drag/drop editor. At that point its not effort and its insulting with the full priced title aspect.
This is kind of a ridiculous take.

I guess every game published on Unreal Engine 4 isn't worth full price.
 

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I feel bad the people who put in months of effort on this had their IP stolen, but a) I don't play multiplayer (largely due to cheats that would ultimately happen anyways) and b) I enjoy mods. If it's a hack that could compromise account security, that's more serious.
The people that made it had their IP stolen? I thought that's UbiSoft's IP now?
 

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If games wasn't filled with microtransactions and call home with user's data, and require a constant online connection to play single player game this wouldn't be a problem would it?
So I have zero sympathy for their problems. OMG, the pleb might get the ability to mod the game, we can't have that!
 

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If games wasn't filled with microtransactions and call home with user's data, and require a constant online connection to play single player game this wouldn't be a problem would it?
So I have zero sympathy for their problems. OMG, the pleb might get the ability to mod the game, we can't have that!

Talking about calling home, Larian Studios has analytical software to track who/what choices players make for their game characters in Baldur's Gate 3. Just insane.

https://archive.vn/kTaMW
 

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If games wasn't filled with microtransactions and call home with user's data, and require a constant online connection to play single player game this wouldn't be a problem would it?
So I have zero sympathy for their problems. OMG, the pleb might get the ability to mod the game, we can't have that!
Not sure I get why microtransactions is relevant here, regardless of the game design of all those options it seem to me that it could still be a major issues.

There is a reason that even ID Software wait a while to release code, having a game that run as well as Doom/Wolf has competitive value.

If a China/Russian company use Watch Dogs code to release a nearly identical game and sales it $9.99, I could imagine that to be bothering. Code for software development company tend to be well guarded for many reason, not just to hide data fishing or having a monopoly to sell mods.
 

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Another poblem is that it's probably littered with external code that shouldn't legally be in the open. It's more than just Ubisoft code on the open, potentially.

id and Epic take care to avoid this case, obviously. I remember seeing Tim Sweeney say somewhere they'd like to release the source to the old engine versions but it'd need to be stripped and cleaned of certain things before it would be possible.

They were presumably very careful from the start with UE4.
 

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This isn't a new, exciting, or interesting concept and tons of games do it.

Obviously and I should have stated it more clearly. They're tracking the individual character trait choices down to the minutiae of skin tones and openly talking about it.
 

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Not sure I get why microtransactions is relevant here, regardless of the game design of all those options it seem to me that it could still be a major issues.
Because they can't sell cosmetic items if the game is moddable, can they?
There is a reason that even ID Software wait a while to release code, having a game that run as well as Doom/Wolf has competitive value.
No reputable western company would work from stolen source code, they have much more to loose if found out, than any minuscule gains they might have on the insight.
If a China/Russian company use Watch Dogs code to release a nearly identical game and sales it $9.99, I could imagine that to be bothering. Code for software development company tend to be well guarded for many reason, not just to hide data fishing or having a monopoly to sell mods.
Even if a chinese company would do a knock off it would not be distributable outside of china. We'd be all better off if they abandoned the chinese market entirely instead of changing games to be in line with their censors.

Frankly right to repair legislation should also include the right to mod, and right to cheat (strictly single player) in games.
 

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Obviously and I should have stated it more clearly. They're tracking the individual character trait choices down to the minutiae of skin tones and openly talking about it.
Why should I give a shit about this? It's telemetry for what people are picking in their game.
 

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Why should I give a shit about this? It's telemetry for what people are picking in their game.
Read post #20. I don't want what skin tone I choose, or gender I choose, or how I play the game analyzed. If I choose a dark skinned female avatar and get her beat the living shit out of when I play I don't want game devs assuming I am a misogynistic racist.
 

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From the linked article

"Baldur’s Gate 3 Devs “Sorely Disappointed” That “Most Popular” Character Creation Option Is A White Human Male"

Hey assholes I want to play someone that looks like ME! Didn't you add all those customization options so people can match their appearance? SURPRISE most gamers are white human males.
 

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From the linked article

"Baldur’s Gate 3 Devs “Sorely Disappointed” That “Most Popular” Character Creation Option Is A White Human Male"

Hey assholes I want to play someone that looks like ME! Didn't you add all those customization options so people can match their appearance? SURPRISE most gamers are white human males.
It's a tongue in cheek post that people are skewing white bread in their fantasy game.

Who gives a fuck. Hopefully some data crucher there had a tear roll down their cheek as they saw my bearded lesbian Tiefling.
 
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It's a tongue in cheek post that people are skewing white bread in their fantasy game.

Who gives a fuck, it's nothing personal.
First of all they made it tongue in cheek for plausible deniability. Famous quote "Many a Truth is Said in Jest"

But let's assume I am reading to much into their "jest" the damage is already done. From the article
"Though Larian Studios’ statement was mostly tongue-in-cheek, some media outlets subsequently used their findings to argue for further diversity and criticized the player base’s character creation decisions."
Their data gives ammunition to the PC police.
 

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lets get back on point: Who even paid money to play this low-rent GTA for the *third* time!? I mean if you live in London...*maybe*......but otherwise.....why? :)
 

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From the linked article

"Baldur’s Gate 3 Devs “Sorely Disappointed” That “Most Popular” Character Creation Option Is A White Human Male"

Hey assholes I want to play someone that looks like ME! Didn't you add all those customization options so people can match their appearance? SURPRISE most gamers are white human males.
That's a misconception that everyone wants to play as a character that looks like them. I certainly don't and I assume at least some others don't either.
 

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Why should I give a shit about this? It's telemetry for what people are picking in their game.
It's fine as long as it's just telemetry and individual choices cannot be tied to individual users. It's a slippery slope. First it's hey a-hole why are you making a white male character, next it's "We saw what you did in the game, and we reported you to the police for a hate crime"
 

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That's a misconception that everyone wants to play as a character that looks like them. I certainly don't and I assume at least some others don't either.
If it is a misconception then why is White Human Male the top choice? Lot of female orcs roleplaying?
 

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First of all they made it tongue in cheek for plausible deniability. Famous quote "Many a Truth is Said in Jest"

But let's assume I am reading to much into their "jest" the damage is already done. From the article
"Though Larian Studios’ statement was mostly tongue-in-cheek, some media outlets subsequently used their findings to argue for further diversity and criticized the player base’s character creation decisions."
Their data gives ammunition to the PC police.
This is hilariously ridiculous and again, who gives a shit.

Play whatever the fuck you want, that's why the options are there. It's D&D.

It's fine as long as it's just telemetry and individual choices cannot be tied to individual users. It's a slippery slope. First it's hey a-hole why are you making a white male character, next it's "We saw what you did in the game, and we reported you to the police for a hate crime"
What kind of Minority Report shit are you envisioning?

The police would be backlogged for millennia as they deal with the deluge of cases where some kid made a swastika out of decals massaged into the shape of dicks.
 

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What kind of Minority Report shit are you envisioning?

The police would be backlogged for millennia as they deal with the deluge of cases where some kid made a swastika out of decals massaged into the shape of dicks.
You must not be very up to date on what the UK police has been "investigating" these days.
 

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If it is a misconception then why is White Human Male the top choice? Lot of female orcs roleplaying?
You should think a little longer on that, because you just debunked yourself with that statement. If everyone wants to play as themselves why would there even be a female orc choice? And FYI I did play Oblivion as an orc female among other characters.
 

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This is hilariously ridiculous and again, who gives a shit.

Play whatever the fuck you want, that's why the options are there. It's D&D.


What kind of Minority Report shit are you envisioning?

The police would be backlogged for millennia as they deal with the deluge of cases where some kid made a swastika out of decals massaged into the shape of dicks.
"Proposals to prosecute individuals for hate crimes based on what they discuss in their own homes need to be more widely debated, free speech organisations have said."
 

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You should think a little longer on that, because you just debunked yourself with that statement. If everyone wants to play as themselves why would there even be a female orc choice? And FYI I did play Oblivion as an orc female among other characters.
Where did I say everyone? It must be a lot, that is what the data shows.
 

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Because they can't sell cosmetic items if the game is moddable, can they?
You are probably right about that, caring about moddable part is just because of the micro transaction world. Not sure I ever bought anything in my life in a game like that, so I do not have that reflex.

No reputable western company would work from stolen source code, they have much more to loose if found out, than any minuscule gains they might have on the insight.
Maybe not reputable (but employee looking at it why not) but I did work on product that was base by stolen code in the past in my life (i.e. employees quit and start a new company bringing the code with them) in a western company, I am not sure if I was on the side that stole it or if it was the other way around.

A bit like a group of employee shift company together to a competitor it is often breaking contractual close for a reason, this is a version of that, imagine every game developer having access to wolfenstein 3D code a month before the game released, how much of a nice advantage to learn from it could have been. Now a company can admit to themselve that there is 0 innovation or anything of interest in the complete code stack they paid millions over ten of millions to create over decade (could as well just put everything in open github and save in security), but that an hard pill to swallow.
 

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Talking about calling home, Larian Studios has analytical software to track who/what choices players make for their game characters in Baldur's Gate 3. Just insane.

https://archive.vn/kTaMW
It was a fully disclosed part of the pre launch access. And it’s needed there are so many dialogues and so many ways to break them, including for a time saving between one part and a second part. I’m not sure they could be implementing the fixes as fast as they have been with out the tracking.
 
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