Watch AMD's CES Keynote Here

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  1. trick_m0nkey

    trick_m0nkey Moderator Staff Member

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    I think Zen 2 is exciting. There's clearly a lot of potential there, and we just saw the tip of the iceberg.

    Vega 2 is a little less exciting, but it does give you the opportunity to get off of the nVidia platform. It's more of a "side-grade" from a 1080Ti, and would let you to properly use Freesync monitors with proper driver support.

    Also fuck RTX, that shit is useless right now anyways.
     
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  2. TheOne&OnlyZeke

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    So I've a 1080ti. Would there be any point in looking at the Vega 7
    I'll guarantee I'll have no interest in the bundle games, so maybe if they could sell for 100 dollars get the card for 600... Maybe
     
  3. illli

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    Honestly I figured it would be April at the earliest (last year AMD launched their new cpu in April). So for me it is not too much longer than that previous thought that I had.
     
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    Zen 2 is certainly more exciting. Cant wait.
     
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  6. exlink

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    Very meh keynote.

    Radeon VII looked great up until the price was released. It looks to basically be a 1080 Ti from 2 years ago at the same launch price. Missed opportunity for AMD there.

    3rd Gen Ryzen looks interesting, but too little information given out during the "preview".
     
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  7. Dayaks

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    That’s basically how I felt. Hard pass on Vega 2 but I’ll be getting me a Zen 2 especially since it just plops into my current board.
     
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  8. sirmonkey1985

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    probably not unless there's some overclock headroom but even at a 1080ti there's not really a compelling reason to upgrade even on the nvidia side either.
     
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  9. Pieter3dnow

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    Yeah I agree this is how it is. I am not to fussed that it is going to take them a little longer producing those Zen 2 chiplets in the end that is only better since it will take a while to get better binned silicon and not going bother with the 8 core Ryzen 3000 (hoping that the frequency for the 12 core is better).
     
  10. oopspowsurprise

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    Ryzen 5 (mid range) beat Intel i9 9900K (high end) in that benchmark...
     
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    so...zen 2...really possible to have a 16/32 model?
     

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  12. trick_m0nkey

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    I think it's worth considering if you want to use any Freesync monitor on the market right now. They are much cheaper than their Gsync counterparts. Also worth noting that nVidia's driver support currently isn't optimal at all for their non-Gsync monitor announcement.
     
  13. Gatecrasher3000

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    I wanted to build a new rig in May, but I guess we get just the tip for a little while longer.
     
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    So I may just have to push back my new system build by a few months...... Was going to snag a 2700x and a 2080 some time around March... But with this I can probably push back an extra 2-3 months to see what the new stuff has to offer, or at least see what nVidia does to counter this.
     
  15. sirmonkey1985

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    sure, and if you think about it, it opens the door for a lot of interesting stuff with APU's being able to do 8 core/16 thread + ryzen 7nm gpu but probably won't see that til mid 2020.
     
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    am i missing something here? she said ryzen 3 + radeon 7 was getting about 120fps in Forza @ 1080p. all the benchmarks im seeing shows the vega 64 getting that same performance @ 1080p right now.
     
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    Some thoughts. It shows how far ahead nvidia still is with graphics that even though they are not on 7nm yet, their chips are still at or outstripping amd graphics parts.

    I am really interested in knowing what the die size is for radeon 7.

    For Turing:

    2080 - 545mm
    2080ti - 754mm

    The 2080 ti is HUGE. And because extra space was devoted to those tenser and rtx raytracing cores performance is how much extra on average? 20-25%


    This is where it gets more interesting. In some dx11 titles and dx12 titles vega 7 was running neck and neck with the 2080, but in that VULKAN title it was 25% faster.

    This could mean that in vulkan titles, the vega 7 is basically a 2080ti, for 699. Not bad. Will be interesting to see the new doom game numbers.
     
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    Yeah that was not the best case they could make for their product :)
     
  19. trick_m0nkey

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    16 GB of vRAM and 7nm could also mean that there's a lot of performance to squeeze out of Vega 2 with water cooling (and 3rd party vendors), assuming they don't have the same kind of power issues Vega 1 had.
     
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  20. sirmonkey1985

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    forza Horizon 4 was a terrible choice but it's also one of the better ported console games from the xbox. the game runs on 7 cores and once you enable extreme textures and i think there's one other extreme option performance goes into the shitter really quickly.. tried it with my 1070@1080p, 120+fps all ultra, set those two to extreme and boom 70fps even though my gpu load never changed. game looked effing beautiful with it on though.
     
  21. mbelue

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    The same, costs the same.
     
  22. oopspowsurprise

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    Where there is Radeon 7, there is also Radeon 5 and Radeon 3? and maybe Radeon 9?
     
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  23. mbelue

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    Triple fan cooler and long. Thats 300+watt or exceptionally sensitive to heat.

    Vega is just their new Bulldozer. Really is no helping its performance.

    Maybe Navi will be their new Zen.
     
  24. JosiahBradley

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    Have you been to nVidia.com. The 2080 is 100$ more and on newegg it's even more expensive.
     
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  25. Zarathustra[H]

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    If final silicon holds up to the expectations set today and if I can make the relatively limited number of PCIe lanes in Ryzen work for me, I'm buying one on launch. If not, I'm waiting for 7nm Threadripper.

    I want to be able to have two NVMe drives at 4x lanes each, 16x lanes to my GPU, at least one 10Gbit Ethernet and one Gigabit Ethernet port, and it would also be nice to be able to keep my old Creative Titanium HD (I don't NEED it, I use an external DAC via optical cable, and could just use th eon board port, but I like keeping the high quality RCA in's the Titanim HD has for recording.)

    This is tough to do on a current Ryzen, but maybe with PCIe4 more bandwidth will be available to the chipset, allowing motherboard makers to add more PCIe slots?

    If they could "downmix" a couple of Gen 4 lanes from the CPU to a boatload of Gen2 lanes (for older cards) available in slots, I would be ecstatic!
     
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    and it is essentially the vega 56 version of vega 20
     
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    No. It's a play on Roman numerals.
    Vega 2 = VII = 7.
     
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    How is AdoredTV doing, score-wise with his predictions?
     
  31. Sikkyu

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    AMD just gifted intel 6 months
     
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    Yeah as soon as they posted the price I was curious if Nvida was ready to drop prices. Looks like they were.
     
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    The biggest gift was to Nvidia, no competition on either price or performance. They showed their cards and looks like they were bluffing.
     
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  34. Sikkyu

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    nothing lower range and vega2 looks a big card, but if can compete with 2080/2080ti then it would be a partial win.

    no reason to upgrade from the 64 though.
     
  35. Derangel

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    That's not a price drop. Those are cards sitting at the 2080 MSRP.
     
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    No one is dropping a cent until an actual product is on the shelf.
     
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  37. mbelue

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    Then Radeon 7 price is that much more boneheaded.
     
  38. dragonstongue

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    I think going that "chiplet" style design separating the cpu from the IO stuff, AMD could open up their own extra market...why the fk would they not.

    That is, be able to deball the IO or the core chip from the interposer (whatever you want to call that base pad)
    then you would be able to keep the "socket" up to date while also being able to update the cores if needed, this can promote AM4 and sockets to come truly can be the first evolving socket, chiplet are probably one of the best ways to make such happen.hell, why not make the "chip" be a modern version of a cartridge style where the board comes with the base socket and IO attached and you "slot in" the chip you will use completing the socket, slap on the provided cooler etc.

    Either way at the very least it ensures even tighter control on security, enhancments, firmware etc by decoupling them from each other....I shudder to think memory pricing when DDR5 comes out, DDR4 was "supposedly" much cheaper than 3 to produce, but, most of the memory makers have slowed production down to keep pricing up, DDR5 could allow 4x as much yield at higher speeds etc but this would not matter much if the makers charge 2-3x current pricing, not overly liking the higher CL on DDR5 (from what I have seen)

    That is neither here nor there however, pci-e 4.0 might be quite interesting, not that GPU need the extra speed BUT that is not saying something comes that truly can leverage it like NMVE drives or whatever, here is hoping the new boards are going to pay even closer attention to port placement, connectivity, smart placement of fan headers and so forth, and for the love of god, lets make sure they have enogh features such as Bclck external generator, a solid enough VRM for the mobo, nothing worse than the board cooking itself because they cheap out on heatsink/style etc
     
  39. Usual_suspect

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    I’d take a Vega VII over a 2080 any day now. Considering I’ve used nothing but Nvidia for the longest time up until recently, they burned their bridges with their high pricing, and failure rates. Plus Freesync support, the potential to squeeze more performance from 7nm, along with more VRAM.

    I think even with a $700 price tag it might make Nvidia a little uncomfortable considering the only step up they have from that costs roughly 50% more for less than 50% gain in performance. Also, if they come out with a cheaper variant that competes with the 2070 at a few hundred less I think it’ll bring competition back to the market.
     
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  40. sirmonkey1985

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    no they killed the R5 R7 etc branding after they tried it with the radeon 300 series, it didn't end up working the way they wanted it too.

    but i'm really hoping they re-think the radeon 7 shit and go with radeon vega II.
     
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