Wanted: Hundreds of Entrepreneurs to Start Businesses Delivering Amazon Packages

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I kinda feel that if it was cost effective, they'd just do it themselves, like they did with their planes and trucks.

They're trying to sell that high risk low reward on the people looking to make a change in their life.




My dad runs his own trucking company and he mentioned how many small business truckers he's seen quit this year, all citing the new ELD system.

You see the prior system of manual logs was easily manipulated, but costs were kept down because of it. Drivers could drive way above their hourly allotments and make more money. Now, the ELDs prevent circumvention, they're tied directly to the truck and will report any time allotment violation. If you're 30min from home and run out of hours? You have to stop or get a violation.

The system essentially made trucking more expensive as drivers have to drive less, so they need more per load to make any money. On top of that, the running clock encourages them to cut corners (speed, hurry, etc.), to try and get as much distance in their time allotment as possible.
Do couriers face the same restrictions? Unless I'm missing something Amazon is talking about last-mile delivery - I could see someone setting up their company as a courier service to handle that. I'm not an expert, but from what I can tell HOS restrictions only apply to "commercial" vehicles - and any vehicle with a GVWR of 10,000 pounds or less doesn't require a CDL.
 

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Up to 40 delivery vehicles aka, making sure no ethical review can come back and say they were illegally/unethically enforcing companies under 50 employees to get rid of healthcare costs.


Umm. Are you under the impression that companies with 50 or more employees are required to pay for their employees healthcare?

If you are, you are mistaken. They go shopping for health insurance providers with plans that hopefully offer reasonable discounts on coverage that the employees can then choose to take advantage of, but don't have to if they have a better alternative. My company doesn't pay for my health care although I am sure there are costs associated with those packages that they get for their employees.

I'm a retiree and so I just rely on Tricare, I pay a little under $700 a year for my wife and I. The government pays the rest minus my copays and such. And for that, the US Military maintains a reasonable chance that if they yank me back to Active Duty status that I might not be a total physical wreck at the time. Furthermore, my "retirement" pay, what they used to call retention pay, gives them the right to pull me back to begin with. The started calling it retirement pay because they wanted to shortcut the soldier's ability to take the full deductions for contributing to their IRAs, by calling it retirement pay they treat it as a pension and under those rules their is a reduced amount that you can claim a deduction for, ergo, soldier pays more in taxes because he can't claim as much of a deduction for his IRA contributions.

And 40 vehicles doesn't equate to 40 employees. Takes more than 40 trucks and 40 drivers to make a delivery business run. Doesn't anyone else receive deliveries at 7PM, on Saturdays, even on Mondays? What I am saying is that I would think it would require shift work, more than one driver may drive the same truck in a day, one makes the early run, another makes the late run. The driver probably does someone like 10 hour or 6 hour shifts, and they rotate around to cover the delivery schedules. What it means is that 40 trucks probably requires about 50+ employees to keep the trucks on the roads. Then you have the guys receiving packages and lining them up for the trucks to pickup, and you are your own business, you need HR, and management. Probably a total of another 10 or more employees minimum.
 

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Name checks out.

Ahh, very observant of you? I mean, it's not like it's actually a fairly simple AI algorithm that I had fun playing with during my first Masters programming class or anything ('name' slightly changed of course). But sure. This has relevance ...but I'm glad it checks out - was worried about it, wheu! Thanks!
 

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It doesn't say $300K gross, it says $300K in profit, that's above operating costs, not including operating costs.

There's a term called gross profit which is also sometimes called gross just as gross income is also sometimes called gross. Considering the ad used the term profit, it should be reasonable to understand that I was talking about gross profit rather than gross income. $300K likely wouldn't come close to covering the fuel, oil, and tire costs for 40 vans/trucks operating 12+ hours a day 6-7 days a week, let alone all the many, many other costs of running this sort of business.

A max of $300K for the owner of what seems like a mid-Seven if not eight-figure in financed startup costs is not what I would call an easy, low-risk, high-reward scenario.
 

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There's a term called gross profit which is also sometimes called gross just as gross income is also sometimes called gross. A max of $300K for the owner of what seems like a mid-Seven if not eight-figure in financed startup costs is not what I would call an easy, low-risk, high-reward scenario.
Gross profit is the profit a company makes after deducting the costs associated with making and selling its products, or the costs associated with providing its services. Gross profit will appear on a company's income statement, and can be calculated with this formula: Gross profit = Revenue - Cost of Goods Sold.

Gross Profit is just Profit, same same. It is not equivalent to the company's Gross Income which is the total of all revenues received.
 

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Gross Profit meet Net Profit, generally a much smaller number than gross.

The article didn't specify which kind of profit so you can guess if you want to, I will go on the assumption that Amazon is telling you that a decently run business could turn a $300K Profit meaning money in your pocket.

If you and others want to see this as a nefarious move to sucker young entrepreneurs into carrying their delivery costs and eventually failing and fucking up Amazon's delivery mechanisms and ruining a big part of what has made them a great company, that's up to you.

I on the other hand tend to look at the distinct possibility that the big delivery outfits have been taking advantage of Amazon's needs to the point that it's become an opportunity to foster competition.
 

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I think that 300k can easily be wiped by an increase in gas alone.
Amazon does their own deliveries, why don't they expand it?. Oh yeah, they want to do this for a while and ruin a bunch of people as a business practice... Like already mentioned, if they see money, they would expand and dry you up no problem either.
 

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on the other hand this does seem like a great way for Amazon to avoid much of the scant remaining labor laws while parasitically capturing and profiting from the delivery side of internet retail instead of paying FedEx, UPS, and the USPS.
I quickly came to the realization when Prime became worth it to me that I don't want UPS and Fedex to deliver my packages. These two companies are meant for businesses, not consumers. They are not supposed to be delivering a lightning cable weighing 1oz packaged in a small envelope to my house. I have no doubt that is the reason why for the first time this year, I have two packages delayed by two days at two different times. The reason listed was UPS couldn't make it to my house even though the packages were on the truck for delivery.

I have always thought USPS should be doing the deliveries and assumed that they would benefit greatly from all the online retailing businesses. I was wrong. So the best solution is 3rd party startup delivering services. It would do a lot to relieve UPS and Fedex from being overwhelmed.
 

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If amazon thought they could save money over the usps or fedex by buying vehicles and paying the drivers themselves, they would have already done it. If you think about it, the real screwing comes in as you are essentially tied to the company, but not an employee and arent covered by any labor laws. And in essence you are an amazon employee no matter how many vans or drivers you decide to run because unlike say UPS or fedex your exclusively tied to amazon and your stuck with whatever they decide to give you for pay and/or deliveries. Hence the vans and trucks with the giant "prime" logos on them, the amazon supplied uniforms, etc. Unlike a private contractor your not going to be able to negotiate your rate, its going to be set for you and if you dont like it, tough. After all the horror stories about how this company treats its actual employees are you really going to trust Bezos and company to treat these "contractors" any better?
 

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Im not saying the world is even close to fair right now. The rules in the US have been messed up for a while and are seriously going in the wrong direction back to the 1600s. I'm sure one of the next SCOTUS rulings will likely bring back indentured servants.

But when your business cant support health insurance for your workers, it HAS to come at expense of the employee and tax payer, eventually. It's not magic. You cant have your own version of what happens. You will need health services at some point. It's not right that we are in such an environment. No politician works for American and Americans anymore, just their donors. Just how it is.

"Everyone" had slaves back in the day, just how it was. But it really wasnt, was it. There were plenty of people that didnt see other humans as trash. I always wonder what happened to all the folks that though owning slaves was OK. I mean, even up to 70/80s it royally sucked to be black in most of the US. Whatever happened to those folks from the 70s when it became "out of fashion" to treat blacks as n-----s. What happened to all the people from the 90s/2000s that called and believed gays to be f------s. Nothing. They are all still there.

I don't know why progress has not only halted, but regressed across the world. China has an emperor for life. Russia too. US and democracy are in its last death gasps with Trump. And he wasnt the first, it was GW Bush and old republicans that literally threw out the US Constitution.

Guess everyone got complacent...

Dont like it? Leave.
 

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If you get a chance, talk to your local UPS driver(s). You'll find that it's definitely not rainbows and sunshine. I've got a fairly good rapport with my local guy and some of the shit they make those guys do... It's no wonder some of them just toss packages and boxes like they don't care anymore.

Also, small businesses have never been about competing on scale. They compete on specialization and expertise. Neither of which would be present in the delivery industry. This is just Amazon trying to get deliveries done cheaper than what UPS/FedEx are willing to do it for. And you can bet that if they aren't willing to do it for what Amazon's asking, a small company flat-out won't be able to do it. $300k/yr "profit" (that's probably gross profit, not net) isn't jack shit if you're running a fleet of 40 vehicles (which would probably equal upwards of 60 employees).

They want to start same day service without any additional expense.
 

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Im not saying the world is even close to fair right now. The rules in the US have been messed up for a while and are seriously going in the wrong direction back to the 1600s. I'm sure one of the next SCOTUS rulings will likely bring back indentured servants.

But when your business cant support health insurance for your workers, it HAS to come at expense of the employee and tax payer, eventually. It's not magic. You cant have your own version of what happens. You will need health services at some point. It's not right that we are in such an environment. No politician works for American and Americans anymore, just their donors. Just how it is.

"Everyone" had slaves back in the day, just how it was. But it really wasnt, was it. There were plenty of people that didnt see other humans as trash. I always wonder what happened to all the folks that though owning slaves was OK. I mean, even up to 70/80s it royally sucked to be black in most of the US. Whatever happened to those folks from the 70s when it became "out of fashion" to treat blacks as n-----s. What happened to all the people from the 90s/2000s that called and believed gays to be f------s. Nothing. They are all still there.

I don't know why progress has not only halted, but regressed across the world. China has an emperor for life. Russia too. US and democracy are in its last death gasps with Trump. And he wasnt the first, it was GW Bush and old republicans that literally threw out the US Constitution.

Guess everyone got complacent...

I'd just like to say:
1. Democrats owned slaves. Republicans freed them.
2. It still sucks to be black in much of America.
3. The recent SCOTUS rulings followed the law. If you don't like the policy change the law. We do not want judges setting policy. We want lawmakers setting policy.
 

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Could they at least invest in some signs or vehicle toppers like the pizza guys have? Someone is going to get shot sooner or later pulling up to suburban houses in a tinted out hooptie on Sundays.
 

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If amazon thought they could save money over the usps or fedex by buying vehicles and paying the drivers themselves, they would have already done it. If you think about it, the real screwing comes in as you are essentially tied to the company, but not an employee and arent covered by any labor laws. And in essence you are an amazon employee no matter how many vans or drivers you decide to run because unlike say UPS or fedex your exclusively tied to amazon and your stuck with whatever they decide to give you for pay and/or deliveries. Hence the vans and trucks with the giant "prime" logos on them, the amazon supplied uniforms, etc. Unlike a private contractor your not going to be able to negotiate your rate, its going to be set for you and if you dont like it, tough. After all the horror stories about how this company treats its actual employees are you really going to trust Bezos and company to treat these "contractors" any better?
But they are doing it... Meaning its bullshit about anyone making money. Or if they do, its only while Amazon itself expands and elbows you out anyway. If doing deliveries in house with their scale doesn't bring them the savings they want, can't imagine how a mismatch of hundreds of fleets running at supposed awesome profits would.... Something gotta give, and i doubt its Amazon.
 

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This is from their brochure:
Successful owners can expect:
STARTUP COSTS AS LOW AS $10K
$1M–4.5M ANNUAL REVENUE POTENTIAL
$75K–300K ANNUAL PROFIT POTENTIAL
*Figures are projections for owners operating with 20 to 40 vans.

Doing one million to 4.5m in business and your margin is 300K??
Better find a different business.
 

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Im not saying the world is even close to fair right now. The rules in the US have been messed up for a while and are seriously going in the wrong direction back to the 1600s. I'm sure one of the next SCOTUS rulings will likely bring back indentured servants.

But when your business cant support health insurance for your workers, it HAS to come at expense of the employee and tax payer, eventually. It's not magic. You cant have your own version of what happens. You will need health services at some point. It's not right that we are in such an environment. No politician works for American and Americans anymore, just their donors. Just how it is.

"Everyone" had slaves back in the day, just how it was. But it really wasnt, was it. There were plenty of people that didnt see other humans as trash. I always wonder what happened to all the folks that though owning slaves was OK. I mean, even up to 70/80s it royally sucked to be black in most of the US. Whatever happened to those folks from the 70s when it became "out of fashion" to treat blacks as n-----s. What happened to all the people from the 90s/2000s that called and believed gays to be f------s. Nothing. They are all still there.

I don't know why progress has not only halted, but regressed across the world. China has an emperor for life. Russia too. US and democracy are in its last death gasps with Trump. And he wasnt the first, it was GW Bush and old republicans that literally threw out the US Constitution.

Guess everyone got complacent...

You have a serious case of TDS, I suggest you go see your doctor as soon as possible to get treated.

As for where those people went who use to own slaves, they are the people who now hire illegals at low wages.

These are also the people who are mad at Trump/Republicans because they don't want their slaves taken away again (just like that first Republican President Lincoln did)

 

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I'd just like to say:
1. Democrats owned slaves. Republicans freed them.
Those labels have zero relevance today since they flipped along the way. Lincoln today would be called an "America-hating, whiny libtard socialist librul libtard commie that wants to take yer slaves" by today's Republican standards. And Trump would call him "Crooked Abe" that "wants crime" because he's "weak on slaves".
 
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If amazon thought they could save money over the usps or fedex by buying vehicles and paying the drivers themselves, they would have already done it. If you think about it, the real screwing comes in as you are essentially tied to the company, but not an employee and arent covered by any labor laws. And in essence you are an amazon employee no matter how many vans or drivers you decide to run because unlike say UPS or fedex your exclusively tied to amazon and your stuck with whatever they decide to give you for pay and/or deliveries. Hence the vans and trucks with the giant "prime" logos on them, the amazon supplied uniforms, etc. Unlike a private contractor your not going to be able to negotiate your rate, its going to be set for you and if you dont like it, tough. After all the horror stories about how this company treats its actual employees are you really going to trust Bezos and company to treat these "contractors" any better?


This is not true. You would certainly not be an Amazon Employee, and why do you think that by starting your own business you would be restricted to delivering only for Amazon?

You make some huge assumptions but unless you are seeing service agreements, etc, then you are just pulling shit out of your ass.
 

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Those labels have zero relevance today since they flipped along the way. Lincoln today would be called an "America-hating, whiny libtard socialist librul libtard commie that wants to take yer slaves" by today's Republican standards. And Trump would call him "Crooked Abe" that "wants crime" because he's "weak on slaves".

Just... lol.
 

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Those labels have zero relevance today since they flipped along the way. Lincoln today would be called an "America-hating, whiny libtard socialist librul libtard commie that wants to take yer slaves" by today's Republican standards. And Trump would call him "Crooked Abe" that "wants crime" because he's "weak on slaves".

He hangs a portrait of Andrew Jackson prominently in the white house. Same party as James Buchanan and opposed to Lincoln (though it splintered to hell in 1860).

Strom Thurmond switched from D to R in 1964. Thad Cochran and Trent Lott of Mississippi switched from D to R in 1967 and 1972.
 

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No, I actually value the sacrifices, the blood and sweat of the men and women who made America what it is. McCain did it for America, not that cowardly Trump. Why don't you go live in Russia, China or the middle east, wherever you think is so great. The U.S. Constitution is the best thing ever, except i'm not a b---- thumper, i believe in progress and the real world. It is not set in stone, it is not perfect.
I'd just like to say:
1. Democrats owned slaves. Republicans freed them.
2. It still sucks to be black in much of America.
3. The recent SCOTUS rulings followed the law. If you don't like the policy change the law. We do not want judges setting policy. We want lawmakers setting policy.
The are three co-equal branches of government. They ARE supposed to be a valid check on a legislative branch. Slavery was the law of the land.... The only folks that know anything about this country are the immigrants that have to actually study and pass an exam. Work for it. Instead of entitled to it. Did nothing to earn it.

You have a serious case of TDS, I suggest you go see your doctor as soon as possible to get treated.

As for where those people went who use to own slaves, they are the people who now hire illegals at low wages.

These are also the people who are mad at Trump/Republicans because they don't want their slaves taken away again (just like that first Republican President Lincoln did)
Bullshit, the entire thing could be solved today if they enforced E-Verify(and had an actual plan for folks already here instead of jail/throw out everyone).

Trump only cares about one thing, himself. That was made super clear when China gave his daughter a few trinkets and beads and Trump welcomed ZTE with open arms. I was for Trump because i was against what Hillary would bring, a continuation of everything that's wrong. But Trump has shown time and again how morally corrupt he and most Republicans(and Democrats) are. They are spending money left and right for their friends with no concern about the deficit... The height of hypocrisy. Showing their true colors.

Back to OT, like other clear headed folks have said, if Amazon can't do it with their scale, money and tech prowess, how is a mom and pop shop supposed to? This is purely a play to game the system using the corrupt rules that destroy what America is about and at the expense of tax payers. This is at best a monopolistic ploy to weaken UPS and Fedex.

If you cant pay fair/livable salary, than that job should not exist. That's Democracy, that's what the blood and sweat of all the immigrants who created America was for. They sacrificed for the a better future. So things would be better for their children.

I do totally agree with all of you with one point. Can you blame Amazon, Walmart,... Its the taxpayer, the citizen, the voter who put these rules in place.
 

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Bullshit, the entire thing could be solved today if they enforced E-Verify(and had an actual plan for folks already here instead of jail/throw out everyone).

Actually, I agree with you on E-Verify. They could even make it voluntary.
If a company checks it employees with E-verify, then they have no liability if someone turns out to be illegal, as long as they fire the person as soon as they find out.
However, if they don't use E-Verify, and they hire someone illegal, they should face massive fines and possibly jail time.


I was for Trump because i was against what Hillary would bring, a continuation of everything that's wrong.

Same with me, but I now have a better view of Trump because I think he's doing a lot of good for the average working person in this country.

If you cant pay fair/livable salary, than that job should not exist. That's Democracy, that's what the blood and sweat of all the immigrants who created America was for. They sacrificed for the a better future. So things would be better for their children.

If the job doesn't pay a livable salary, then nobody should take the job.
Used to be these low paying jobs (fast food, Pizza delivery, retail) where filled by high school and college kids. They where meant as a starting point, to get some job experience.
Now we have people who think they should be able to raise a family working one of these minimum wage jobs, and high school kids think they are too good for these jobs.

If you are not qualified for anything more than flipping burgers, you need to get some training/education so you can find a better job.
 

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No, I actually value the sacrifices, the blood and sweat of the men and women who made America what it is. McCain did it for America, not that cowardly Trump. Why don't you go live in Russia, China or the middle east, wherever you think is so great. The U.S. Constitution is the best thing ever, except i'm not a b---- thumper, i believe in progress and the real world. It is not set in stone, it is not perfect.

The are three co-equal branches of government. They ARE supposed to be a valid check on a legislative branch. Slavery was the law of the land.... The only folks that know anything about this country are the immigrants that have to actually study and pass an exam. Work for it. Instead of entitled to it. Did nothing to earn it.


Bullshit, the entire thing could be solved today if they enforced E-Verify(and had an actual plan for folks already here instead of jail/throw out everyone).

Trump only cares about one thing, himself. That was made super clear when China gave his daughter a few trinkets and beads and Trump welcomed ZTE with open arms. I was for Trump because i was against what Hillary would bring, a continuation of everything that's wrong. But Trump has shown time and again how morally corrupt he and most Republicans(and Democrats) are. They are spending money left and right for their friends with no concern about the deficit... The height of hypocrisy. Showing their true colors.

Back to OT, like other clear headed folks have said, if Amazon can't do it with their scale, money and tech prowess, how is a mom and pop shop supposed to? This is purely a play to game the system using the corrupt rules that destroy what America is about and at the expense of tax payers. This is at best a monopolistic ploy to weaken UPS and Fedex.

If you cant pay fair/livable salary, than that job should not exist. That's Democracy, that's what the blood and sweat of all the immigrants who created America was for. They sacrificed for the a better future. So things would be better for their children.

I do totally agree with all of you with one point. Can you blame Amazon, Walmart,... Its the taxpayer, the citizen, the voter who put these rules in place.


So I have a little agreement going on with you, and I have some disagreement as well.

First, I agree about sacrifices, I didn't have to sacrifice so greatly, others gave everything they had to give. But I don't see Trump as a coward, I see him as an imperfect tool that is doing a great job of correcting some bad moves our country has made. Your comment about who knows what about our country is a little off and while it's true that some immigrants are way ahead of some native citizens, it only goes so far. My wife took the test you speak of, she passed it, still remembers some of it. But it doesn't mean that it changed her fundamental values in anyway, she knows the words but the spirit behind them, not so much. That said her spirit isn't that bad to begin with so I think she earns a by.

We also agree that much of what we have is the fault of the voter. We all are gifted with the power to change our lot in this world and most of us waste it.

As for pay, we disagree. I believe in what the minimum wage has always been in the past, and it has never been "a living wage". Minimum wage jobs are the bottom rung and if you want to make it in this world then you have to climb. I don't think we need to set the bar so low that anyone who steps on and stops is good to go.

I believe people need to face failure, to face the pit of fucking doom. I don't believe that everyone just deserves to make it. I think that thinking encourages people to do only enough to get by. Because frankly, that is just what most people do, just enough to get by. The world needs a little dog eat dog because it's human nature that makes it necessary.

So we differ. If we both vote who knows, maybe we both vote the same way on many things but for different reasons. Because we see things differently. But it's not really important that we vote the same way or that the best person for President is elected. Much more important is that you and I, and all those other people out there who are US Citizens, show up, and caste their ballots.
 

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Meh, it's like the pilot and migrant farm picker problem. It's a shortage due to the pay/work balance/equation. Shift the balance, and the shortage goes away. That being said, it WILL make everything more expensive, and probably have some other, unintended consequences... TANSTAAFL.

There was an article in the WSJ I believe talking about the same thing. Construction companies in Chicago or something, that couldn't take on any more business because they couldn't hire workers.

But then in the same article, the same company who said they needed workers so bad because they now couldn't grow, simultaneously said they can't pay more to try to attract more workers and win more business, because then his competitors would take his business. It's like wait a second, something doesn't compute here; you're supposedly leaving work on the table because no one can do it, but you're not willing to pay more?
 

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Elected representatives from one major political party are already beginning calls for the abolishment of immigration and customs enforcement! Amazon should have no problems filling their ranks of low wage foot soldiers in the near future. There is a LOT of cheap labor out there to exploit still! Just need to wait out this Trump guy, he's a minor speed bump on the road to the NWO.
 

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Elected representatives from one major political party are already beginning calls for the abolishment of immigration and customs enforcement! Amazon should have no problems filling their ranks of low wage foot soldiers in the near future. There is a LOT of cheap labor out there to exploit still! Just need to wait out this Trump guy, he's a minor speed bump on the road to the NWO.


Yea ICE ain't going anywhere. It's just political grandstanding.
 

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This is not true. You would certainly not be an Amazon Employee, and why do you think that by starting your own business you would be restricted to delivering only for Amazon?

You make some huge assumptions but unless you are seeing service agreements, etc, then you are just pulling shit out of your ass.

Your drivers will have to use an Amazon leased and labeled van, your "employees" are going to have amazon labeled uniforms. They also are going to be supposedly helping with finance, fueling and insurance costs as well as business training. Do you honestly believe they arent going to tie you strictly to them with exclusivity agreements? You really believe they will allow you to deliver products from a competitor with their name on the van?
 

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300k profit for operating 40 vehicles is fucking terrible
THIS.

My BIL is an owner/operator and clears 80K+ net. With 1 truck. And not going door to door.

Granted an employee would cut into that, but you could easily clear 25K+ net per truck with an employee and less BS. A 50 truck business should be over 1.5 mil per year net.
 

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Sounds like a pyramid scheme....

More like trickle-up economics. They let the lesser-well off small businesses run at a loss and go bankrupt while they book profits.

$300k is a garbage margin on 40 trucks and what, 60 employees? And that's the best case scenario that they're presenting in order to sell this, so you know that even that low number has to be based on some very rosy assumptions.
 

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Are they looking for the Uber business model here... dump all the headaches on the delivery guys and profit?
 

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Those labels have zero relevance today since they flipped along the way. Lincoln today would be called an "America-hating, whiny libtard socialist librul libtard commie that wants to take yer slaves" by today's Republican standards. And Trump would call him "Crooked Abe" that "wants crime" because he's "weak on slaves".

No. What you think is true is not true. It is not even close to true. I was making a joke, and because you literally cannot sense humor you tried to make a political point. Also, Abe was a white supremacist.

"“I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races … I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.” - Abraham Lincoln.
 

KenRico

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There is Uber Eats where the driver grabs an order and brings it..Amazon should pursue that ..Uber drop offs

Fedex and UPS would never promise a unsustainable bid that loses money like USPS ..

Amazon is hoping for 3rd party to drive the rate cheaper like Cheesecake Factory in hiring 3rd party to clean the restaurant ..

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lcpiper

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Your drivers will have to use an Amazon leased and labeled van, your "employees" are going to have amazon labeled uniforms. They also are going to be supposedly helping with finance, fueling and insurance costs as well as business training. Do you honestly believe they arent going to tie you strictly to them with exclusivity agreements? You really believe they will allow you to deliver products from a competitor with their name on the van?

Let's test your English reading comprehension skills;

What do the following sentences mean;

.............and discounts on a suite of assets and services, including vehicle leases and comprehensive insurance.
You have discounts available, but does it say that you must use them?

To help keep startup costs as low as $10,000, entrepreneurs will also have access to a variety of exclusively negotiated discounts on important resources they’ll need to operate a delivery business. The deals are available on Amazon-branded vehicles customized for delivery, branded uniforms, fuel, comprehensive insurance coverage, and more.
So I'll have access, if I choose to avail myself of it, but must I use it? The article doesn't say.

Of course, if you are a Vet, they'll front you the est $10,000 startup costs.
The company is committing $1 million towards funding startup costs for military veterans, offering $10,000 reimbursements for qualified candidates to build their own businesses.

Through the program , Amazon said it can cost as little as $10,000 for someone to start the delivery business. They don't have to lease the Amazon blue vans, but if they do, those vehicles can only be used to deliver Amazon packages, the company said.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/...elivery-vans-to-hit-the-streets/507-568451533

“I had prior experience running my own business but not in logistics,” said Olaoluwa Abimbola, one of Amazon’s beta participants in the new offering. “I was driving for Amazon Flex when I learned about the opportunity to start my own delivery company. Backed by Amazon’s resources and logistics experience, and its encouragement to ‘learn while I earn,’ this opportunity was a no-brainer. In just five months, I have hired more than 40 employees, and it’s encouraging to know that any driven individual can use Amazon’s support and the Delivery Service Partner community to build a successful, thriving business.”
I did say earlier that it would take more than 40 employees to keep 40 delivery trucks moving.

I'm thinking you didn't go so far as to read the agreements or research the program beyond the assumptions you have made based on this article because it took me all of about 3 minutes to easily find holes in them.
 
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