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Vista

And listeneing to what what you read, rather than actually testing it yourself, will leave you disappointed.

Once you go Vista, you wont go back..:D
 
I think this pretty much sums up everything you need to know before even reading the article:

I will NEVER upgrade to Vista now. Absolutely, positively, NEVER, not even if Microsoft "fixes" this or calls it a bug. I don't care. It should never have been possible in the first place. This is the end of the line.
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So, even if this isn't an issue in the future, this guy's bias will prevent him from using Vista, which equates to that article losing any and all credibility.

SpeedRunner said:
What the hell is that guy talking about? I've had no problems at all installing software and I procrastinated a full 30 days before I activated my Vista.
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Ditto. I would be interested to see what software is causing Vista to do this (if any at all- you notice the guy didn't provide a single detail...)
 
I dunno... I'm considering it...

jordan12 said:
And listeneing to what what you read, rather than actually testing it yourself, will leave you disappointed.

Once you go Vista, you wont go back..:D
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i actually did try vista during one of the betas and it magicly installed a few files to my other hard drive (that i was about to install linux to) and with out those files vista didnt work. i tried doing repair and it said it didnt know how (i'm not kidding).

looking thru this OS section, i see loads of topics about one problem or another. other than the increased appearance i see no gain in vista. decrease in performance and functionality make a "new" OS useless IMO

not trying to rant, but i'm tired of microsofts monopoly, i'm an engineering student and wish i could run an alternate OS (like linux) but dont know of one that runs the programs i need cause they are written for windows.
 
Would he feel the same way if this happend in Linux or Mac OS10?

To remove any prejudice he would have to be an equal opportunity OS hater....
which does not seem to be the case :eek:

Thats his loss I'm enjoying it :D
 
Take a look at all the other threads he started here: http://techrepublic.com.com/5268-11518-0.html?id=4548903&filter=1

You cannot look at that and honestly tell me he has no bias :cool:

Zero-day RPC flaw in Microsoft DNS
Vista gets bashed for a single vulnerability
ALWAYS use an AMD CPU when you build your PCs *** UPDATED ***
The LEAVING WINDOWS Project
Now it's final. I will NEVER upgrade to Vista.
Highly critical Office 2007 vulnerability

Looks like he is all about doom.
 
The issue happens under XP as well. I remember one instance where I merely upgraded my video card drivers and upon reboot I got the message that I needed to reactivate. When I called Microsoft they told me this sometimes happens but wouldn't give me an explanation.
 
64dragon said:
i actually did try vista during one of the betas and it magicly installed a few files to my other hard drive (that i was about to install linux to) and with out those files vista didnt work. i tried doing repair and it said it didnt know how (i'm not kidding).
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That's called a bootmanger, and yeah, not sure why it does that if alternate drives are installed. Still, you're basing your info off of a beta and someone else's opinion?


looking thru this OS section, i see loads of topics about one problem or another. other than the increased appearance i see no gain in vista. decrease in performance and functionality make a "new" OS useless IMO
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New OS, what'd ya expect? Most topics, regarding Vista, are from people who would have similar if not worse issues installing linux; or they are hardware/software compatibility issues. With a few decent complaints thrown in as well. But as I've stated before, NO OS is Perfect.

You want proprietary, hand-held, Os installs. Get a Mac.

not trying to rant, but i'm tired of microsofts monopoly, i'm an engineering student and wish i could run an alternate OS (like linux) but dont know of one that runs the programs i need cause they are written for windows.
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As a engineering student, how is it you find Microsoft at fault for other companies development decisions?


Face it, the mainstream market will continue to use Windows based products for a while to come ( I know someone's gonna jump on me for this) and for that reason major development will cater to Windows first. It works. And, furthermore, it makes companies money; which is why most businesses are in business.
 
dot_Zen said:
You want proprietary, hand-held, Os installs. Get a Mac.

As a engineering student, how is it you find Microsoft at fault for other companies development decisions?
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just a random statement, i've yet to meet someone that knows how to use/get thru a mac OS.

i wish there could be a non microsoft windows, windows. i wish another company could make an OS that could run windows based programs. i tried linux for a lil but since it doesnt run the programs i need i dont end up using it
 
64dragon said:
just a random statement, i've yet to meet someone that knows how to use/get thru a mac OS.

i wish there could be a non microsoft windows, windows. i wish another company could make an OS that could run windows based programs. i tried linux for a lil but since it doesnt run the programs i need i dont end up using it
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You should try Vista. The reports you see are pretty much the minority from what I understand. There's a poll in this forum - over 75% of [H] users who tried Vista converted to it full-time.

And those that didn't generally had issues with video card or sound card drivers... but even those are getting pretty darn good lately.

Vista really is a revolutionary OS IMO. Superfetch ftw :) read more (i.e., if you went back 3 years and asked me if I thought that Microsoft's next OS using 2GB of memory with no apps open was a good thing, I woulda said no way! That's a BAD thing... and I would be taking that statement back today ;))
 
It bowls down to this. Many do not like it because :

1. Their system is so old, wanted the Aero thingy for god only knows why, and could not get it to work. Failed to read the system requirements first, or did, but could not figure out what the requirements really mean. I've read so many threads from Dell forum that do not even know what model number, how memory or what video card they even have on their own system, and tried to install Vista on a 4/5 year old system.

2. Noobies can't even figure out how to format, much less install a fresh copy of Vista instead trying an upgrade that would solve many of the issues.

3. Failed to download, and burn to a cd all the necessary hardware drivers first, or for that matter....Ever, and this is why they are having issues. Not to mention they are probably using old software as well, and can't figure that one out either

4. And being a new OS, the, where is everything at, takes time to learn, and many do not have the patience.

I have Vista on a new system, new hardware, and other attached hardware, I have the Vista drivers for them. Not even one issue thus far. For goodness sakes. If I can install Vista, just about anyone can. But human nature come into play and some are just too darn stubborn, or stupid. And those that are, should not be allowed to have a computer
 
All you people basing your opinions off of some other guy's extremely biased and poorly articulated rant come off as intentionally ignorant.

When I was a kid I used to listen to this Raffi song. It was about this kid called Bruno and everyone ganged up and called him a dweeb. "Don't play with Bruno! Bruno is a dweeb!" Okay, so he wasn't the most popular guy around, but then the kid who actually did decide to play with him found that Bruno was a really cool kid.

So search inside your hearts. Windows Vista is just like that poor little Bruno kid. Everyone loves to hate him, but deep down inside he's a really sweet guy with a lot to offer.
 
Zinn said:
All you people basing your opinions off of some other guy's extremely biased and poorly articulated rant come off as intentionally ignorant.

When I was a kid I used to listen to this Raffi song. It was about this kid called Bruno and everyone ganged up and called him a dweeb. "Don't play with Bruno! Bruno is a dweeb!" Okay, so he wasn't the most popular guy around, but then the kid who actually did decide to play with him found that Bruno was a really cool kid.

So search inside your hearts. Windows Vista is just like that poor little Bruno kid. Everyone loves to hate him, but deep down inside he's a really sweet guy with a lot to offer.
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LOL this post belongs on craigslists "Best Of..." page.
 
64dragon said:
just a random statement, i've yet to meet someone that knows how to use/get thru a mac OS.

i wish there could be a non microsoft windows, windows. i wish another company could make an OS that could run windows based programs. i tried linux for a lil but since it doesnt run the programs i need i dont end up using it
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReactOS Would be it, still very much experimental though. Or perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E/OS. Either one uses a lot of Wine code.
 
calebb said:
You should try Vista. The reports you see are pretty much the minority from what I understand. There's a poll in this forum - over 75% of [H] users who tried Vista converted to it full-time.
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Well I was one of the few that was very weary about installing Windows Vista last month.. Now that I have it up and going, I will NEVER go back to Windows XP.. And yes, there are a few issues here and there.. But once you get it installed, tweaked and add your personal individual touches, it's been nothing but stellar..

Since its new, I still have to wait on overclocking my 8800 cards.. No driver (yet) for my HP 2600n printer.. But those are things that I am willing to accept at the moment. It may not be for everyone, but it's definately the choice for me.
 
zacdl said:
Don't expect it to take off, though. If it gains any sort of popularity, Microsoft would sue them into the ground for obvious reasons.
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that is the point i was tryin to make but i lost track

hyper, thanks for the links, i'll take a look

i'd consider trying vista but theres no legal way i could test a non beta copy cause i dont have several hundred dollars to waste on somethin i may not like (not tryin to get into discussion about the legal stuff). this would be my first summer off from college so i'd kinda have time to play with it outside of what ever job i can get
 
64dragon said:
that is the point i was tryin to make but i lost track

hyper, thanks for the links, i'll take a look

i'd consider trying vista but theres no legal way i could test a non beta copy cause i dont have several hundred dollars to waste on somethin i may not like (not tryin to get into discussion about the legal stuff). this would be my first summer off from college so i'd kinda have time to play with it outside of what ever job i can get
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You can install it without a CD-Key and use it for 30 days - and the trial can be rearmed twice which gives you a 90 day trial :) Vista home Premium can be found at CompUSA (if you have a store nearby that's closing) for 60% off right now too!
 
.... uh... so click "register". you paid for it, right? seems like an open/closed case to me.

personally (and im anti-microsoft myself) i think vista is the best one theyve ever put out. microsoft has taught us for [how many years now] that its ok to run your pc as [root]. spyware and viruses are so rampant becuase of this giant oversight. im just sorry that they put a switch in there somewhere so you can turn off the "you are comming to a sad realization, allow|deny?", becuase you know 99% of hte population will. myself, i left it on, even tho i know what the hell im doing.

bottom line is, i think the guy who wrote that tread is beling a little demanding on MS. so what if he wont buy their OS now. do you think the $400 they wont get from him will hurt their bottom line one bit? and even more realistically, since if he *did* pirate vista, it actually means they will not quote|unquote lose that $400 to an actual paying customer.

to that author... i would say "get used to it... 99% chance this is the way all MS products are going to work from now on... so i hope you like linux."
 
Sharaz Jek said:
im just sorry that they put a switch in there somewhere so you can turn off the "you are comming to a sad realization, allow|deny?", becuase you know 99% of hte population will. myself, i left it on, even tho i know what the hell im doing.
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From years working tech support, I will tell you that 99% of people will barely be able to find the power button, much less dig deep into the control panel and make a system change.

I think the reactivation thing is annoying, but Microsoft is losing billions to piracy and they're obviously a bit desperate. You can say (like the guy in the article did) "oh but they have billions, they shouldn't care" but that's stupid and not how business works.

The kicker is that XP deactivates on a hardware change as well. So all the people who piss and moan about Vista doing it either love to complain or don't know what the hell they're talking about when they give this as a reason for sticking with XP.

I've gone through dozens of XP reactivations and a couple of Vista reactivations due to hardware changes, and you know what? It never killed me. The ceiling never collapsed down on me. My head never exploded. Want to know why? Because I run legit software. Simple as that.

If you don't like Vista's activation schema, you should consider DOS 6.22. I hear it doesn't take up nearly as much system resources (because we all know operating systems must use decreasing amounts of resources with each iteration), it's faster and more responsive for disk operations, and it gives you powerful VGA graphics capability.
 
Zinn said:
If you don't like Vista's activation schema, you should consider DOS 6.22. I hear it doesn't take up nearly as much system resources (because we all know operating systems must use decreasing amounts of resources with each iteration), it's faster and more responsive for disk operations, and it gives you powerful VGA graphics capability.
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I do...under emulation, in Vista.

Relating to the OP, I was heavily amused by this - it's another post by the author of that "article":
ALWAYS use an AMD CPU when you build your PCs *** UPDATED ***
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[UPDATED 4/10/2007 -- Since I originally posted this on 2/26/2007 (7), a lot has changed. AMD has very significantly lowered prices on its highest speed CPU line while Intel has not. This suggests that customers are no longer willing to buy an AMD CPU that performs the same as an Intel one except at a greatly reduced price (market demand determines the price...apparently Intel's FUD campaign is working). This is bad news for AMD. But, it is GREAT news for people building PCs. Now is a great time to buy an AMD CPU. The highest speed AMD Athlon 64 X2 (dual core) CPU can now be had for just $235! This is a 66% REDUCTION since February 28, 2007! (the comparable Intel CPU has been reduced by $4).

I've updated my table of prices of performance-comparable AMD and Intel CPUs below.]

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Ford's fastest car, the Ford GT, is faster than Chevy's fastest car, the Corvette. Does that mean that all Fords are faster than all Chevys? Of course not.

Contrary to what the Intel fanboys say, all Intel CPUs are not faster than all AMD CPUs. Don't be fooled. It's simply untrue.

For a bunch of years, AMD made the fastest desktop CPU. Right now it's Intel, and it costs about $1000. I never buy the top speed CPU no matter who makes it due to poor value. Below that however, AMD has a price and performance match for every Intel CPU. This is not an accident. AMD and Intel both price their CPUs so they compete well with each other. This competition is very important!


Why do I care about AMD? Why should you?

The answer is simple. Without the presence of AMD as a strong competitor, the cheapest Intel desktop CPU will cost $1000, not the most expensive one. I don't want to go back to those days, do you?

Since AMD offers great price and performance on the CPUs I actually buy, I always buy AMD. I get the speed I want at the price I want, and I get a FREE bonus: I help keep AMD in the game and keep Intel pricing in check! Now, that's important! :)


AMD Fanboy? No.

I'm not an AMD fanboy. This is about my best interest. I'll be buying Intel CPUs again when (1) AMD is about as financially strong as giant Intel, or if (2) AMD stops providing great price and performance for the CPUs I actually buy. Until then, it's AMD-only.


Call to Action

Buy AMD CPUs. It matters. Help keep AMD in the game. Keep Intel from becoming the only supplier of high-speed X86 CPUs. Keep Intel prices from rising through the roof. After all, it costs you nothing and it is in your best interest, wouldn't you agree? :)

When you support Intel by buying from them, YOU DON'T WIN, INTEL DOES! Think before you act. Be a winner. Buy AMD.

All the best to you!


Choose the AMD Dual Core CPU that meets your performance needs

I prefer the PC WorldBench to compare CPUs. I think it best represents the performance I will actually see. Higher is better in (1) and lower is better in (2).


Processor PC WorldBench Price Now (on 2/26/07)
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AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (2.40 GHz) 124 (1) $113 (was $189) (3)
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 (1.86 GHz) 122 (1) $181 (was $183) (4)

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (2.60 GHz) 130 (1) $165 (was $215) (3)
Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 (2.13 GHz) 131 (1) $217 (was $221) (4)

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600+ (2.80 GHz) 138 (1) $184 (was $332) (3)(5)
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (2.40 GHz) 140 (1) $303 (was $314) (4)

AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ (3.00 GHz) 489 (2) $235 (was $540) (3)
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 (2.66 GHz) 482 (2) $508 (was $512) (4)
Note that this Intel CPU fares better on the
Photoshop test (2).

AMD currently has no match for this performance level
Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 (2.93 GHz) 156 (1) $965 (was $965) (4)




AMD Partners Supply Great Motherboards

There are many great motherboard suppliers for AMD CPUs including ABIT, ASUS, BIOSTAR, GIGABYTE, MSI, and others (6). Personally, I have been using MSI and like them.
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not to feed that article you just quoted, but lol. Man you can spin things whatever way you want. I guess my 1ghz oc on my c2d has me confused by his pricing justification.
 
Wow that author is a retard. And don't delete my post because I'm not bashing anyone on this forum. But seriously, he needs to get a clue.
 
if they/you gonna hate on vista at least show some facts.. and why MS is at fault
i find most of my problems are from 3rd party apps
like nvidia drivers (getting better), and software (most of them cleared now)
 
defuseme2k said:
not to feed that article you just quoted, but lol. Man you can spin things whatever way you want. I guess my 1ghz oc on my c2d has me confused by his pricing justification.
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With regard to the 'Intel or AMD?' question you shouldn't assume that anybody purchasing is going to overclock. Lots of people don't, and in any case performance out of the box should be the basis for comparison. The bloke hasn't expressed himself very well but he's touched upon a very real scenario. For those customers who simply want to 'plug it in and go' there are several points amongst the price/performance spectrum where purchasing Intel solutions is not necessarily the most economic course of action. Especially when you factor in the comparitive costs of suitably featured motherboards etc etc.


But that's a digression. The main point of the thread was the contention that Vista 'sucks at life', and the suggestion seemed to be that it does so in every way imaginable. There's been enough comment about that. Basing such a stance merely upon an experience where a product activation requirement has been triggered is rather silly, especially considering that it's nothing new and specific to Vista.
 
SpeedRunner said:
What the hell is that guy talking about? I've had no problems at all installing software and I procrastinated a full 30 days before I activated my Vista.
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This happened to me. I swapped out the motherboard, but kept the same drives, video and network card, etc. Only the MB, CPU and memory changed. Booted up OK, but then I got the 3 day warning. I agree with the OP, it's a crummy deal.
 
xbeemer said:
This happened to me. I swapped out the motherboard, but kept the same drives, video and network card, etc. Only the MB, CPU and memory changed. Booted up OK, but then I got the 3 day warning. I agree with the OP, it's a crummy deal.
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Only?? What level of changes do you think is acceptable before they trigger the revalidation? Your motherboard is the one that will trigger the re-validation and it is the least frequent part which people usually change. I could change my harddrives, video card, network card, memory multiple times without it being triggered.
 
xbeemer said:
This happened to me. I swapped out the motherboard, but kept the same drives, video and network card, etc. Only the MB, CPU and memory changed. Booted up OK, but then I got the 3 day warning. I agree with the OP, it's a crummy deal.
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Assuming you bought a retail version of Vista, activation should be painless even if you need to call them.
 
It's hard for some people to understand that a motherboard change isn't just "one change". They've purchased one physical item in a box and assume that the system should "see" it as one item.

But, instead, changing a motherboard is really changing the entire system. The motherboard is a whole conglomeration of hardware items, which includes all the controllers and whatnot else which make the system work, as well as numerous 'onboard' hardware components

People shouldn't be condemned for thinking "But I only changed one thing!" They're simply a bit naive about how PCs work, is all..
 
kheldorin said:
Only?? What level of changes do you think is acceptable before they trigger the revalidation? Your motherboard is the one that will trigger the re-validation and it is the least frequent part which people usually change. I could change my harddrives, video card, network card, memory multiple times without it being triggered.
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The point isn't that validation was needed (although the whole valadition business stinks), the point is that it gave me only 3 days. It's the 3 days the OP was pissed about.

Besides, a MB change, when there is no change in HDs, CDROM, Vidio Card or NIC shouldn't need to trigger a valadition. Top grade copy protection software like Armadillo is smart enough to handle this correctly, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect MS to as well.

You Vista apologists are starting to look silly, falling all over yourselves to protect the good name of what is looking more and more like Microsoft's version of 'Mission Accomplished."
 
xbeemer said:
The point isn't that validation was needed (although the whole valadition business stinks), the point is that it gave me only 3 days. It's the 3 days the OP was pissed about.

Besides, a MB change, when there is no change in HDs, CDROM, Vidio Card or NIC shouldn't need to trigger a valadition. Top grade copy protection software like Armadillo is smart enough to handle this correctly, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect MS to as well.

You Vista apologists are starting to look silly, falling all over yourselves to protect the good name of what is looking more and more like Microsoft's version of 'Mission Accomplished."
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Right or wrong - MS has decided that the motherboard is the core of what constitutes a "computer." That's how they're (officially) treating OEM licenses. Given that, it is reasonable to expect reactivation upon, essentially, moving Vista to a new computer.

That said - the bigger issue mentioned in the post (besides the 3 days thing that, personally, I don't find too onerous), and something that MS has acknowledeged and addressed in a KB article http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931573, is that some software installations can trigger a need to reactivate. To quote:

CAUSE
This problem may occur because a specific system setting is removed when a program runs with administrative credentials. The removal of this system setting may cause a BIOS validation check to fail. The BIOS validation check is part of the system activation process. Therefore, you may be prompted to activate Windows Vista, even though the system did not previously require activation. For example, this problem is known to occur when you use Intuit QuickBooks 2007. However, this problem may also infrequently occur when you install other programs or device drivers.

Note This problem does not occur because of an issue in the installed program or device driver. This problem is caused by a system problem in Windows Vista.
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This has been addressed in a patch, but it is only "Recommended" so won't be installed automatically if you only check the Important ones.
 
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