Video Games are Sucking You In and Not Letting Go

Discussion in '[H]ard|OCP Front Page News' started by Kyle_Bennett, Aug 20, 2018.

  1. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    The WSJ lines out a fairly long article proclaiming how game devs are making it harder to stop playing video games (Archive). They go on to outline such evil atrocities, such as games being free, being available on many devices, doubling as social networks, and then they go into the ugliness of new content constantly being added via landscape and storyline, as well as being able to customize your avatars. Somebody has got to stop these evil bastards before we all end up with Gaming Disorder.


    “Videogames are engineered specifically to keep people playing,” said Douglas A. Gentile, a research scientist focused on the impact of media on children and adults. “They’re designed to hit the pleasure centers of the brain in some of the same ways that gambling can.”

    Game developers for years have tweaked the dials not only on how games look and sound but how they operate under the hood, and such changes have made videogames more pervasive and enthralling, industry observers say.


    Isn't "videogame" two words? And wait till they find out how much money we are willing to spend on video cards, they are going to lose their minds.
     
  2. Mong00se

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    Ummm... Ya these guys definitely ruined my life by reinforcing while abstracting my OCD. Those monsters!
     
  3. umeng2002

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    Good. Last thing I want is to spend $70 on a game, just to get bored of it an hour in.
     
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  4. fwiler1

    fwiler1 n00bie

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    Yeah I like paying money for less content so I can play less.
    Fuck it, I'm going all in on Sega Saturn so I don't get any updates and swindled by these assholes.
    Cause they're forcing me to play... and I can't possibly think for myself.
     
  5. pcgeekesq

    pcgeekesq [H]ard|Gawd

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    Sounds like grounds for a class action suit.

    "Your honor, plaintiffs accuse defendants, Red CroMagnon Id Software Studios, of making a game that was too much fun, too cheap, and had too much content. As a result, plaintiffs suffered injuries including job loss, divorce, social isolation, obesity, repetitive stress injuries, poor posture, blindness from looking a blue pixels, incontinence from holding their bladders too long, disrupted sleep cycles, suicidal ideation, and an inability to get laid, among other injuries. Defendant's marketing slogan, "More fun than should be legal!" says it all. Accordingly the class seeks ten million billion dollars in damages."
     
  6. _l_

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    way too late for us
     
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  7. Archaea

    Archaea [H]ardForum Junkie

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    I love gaming. Always have...
    I honestly wish I didn't...

    You can always tell which of your friends love gaming and which of your friends don't - - (excluding just generally lazy people) simply by how many successful and industrious side projects (house, woodworking, car, etc) they have going compared to you. While I'm gaming for 2 hours a day, that person is building something in the real world.


    I'm still a productive, industrious, contributing member of society, and family man, but, honestly I know I could be a little bit better at everything else if gaming was absent. Even in that knowledge, I still treasure my gaming time.


    I do steer clear of games I know there is no end to, or are too deep. I know I'd love them, but I don't want to invite in that master. World of Warcraft comes to mind. I played the beta, before original launch, and absolutely knew I'd love that game, and --- probably do nothing but it. I never bought the game for that reason. I'd have been detrimental to me, personally, and my life goals and aspirations. I had a close friend and gaming buddy who literally spent 1/3 of his waking hours in World of Warcraft for three years, by the numbers. He worked, slept, and played World of Warcraft. No dating, no family, no extra circular. That's selfishly fun perhaps, but not how I want my years to be remembered - and I know I'd have been just as likely to walk into that trap. I think World of Warcraft is a years old example of what this concern is about -- and it's a legitimate concern. My daughters are 9 months, 2 years, 6 years, and 9 years old. I very sparingly allow them to play video games, and have purposely not introduced the older girls to my favorite titles that have been my biggest time sinks. As much as I appreciate a game, I don't want my life to revolve around it.
     
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  8. THRESHIN

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    Any hobby can be an addiction. This is no different. I like video games and have spent many hours with my favourite ones.

    I also like working on cars. My garage is jam packed with automotive tools to the point of obsession. I've also made my money back and then some with what I've saved by not going to mechanics but that's another story.

    I also love photography. I've probably spent just as much on lenses as I have my desktop if not more.

    Guess the tool companies and lens companies are hitting all the pleasure spots in my brain and creating an addiction! Those evil bastards!

    These idiots can come back when they want to talk about a real addiction. I used to smoke and gave it up for vaping. I didn't do it because I thought it was cool. I did it because it appears to be a healthier alternative and I know I can't stop long term. I don't want to do either. I just know that I stand a high chance of going back to cigarettes if I don't vape.

    I'm slowly getting off this too, but that's what an addiction is. Being compelled to do something you may not want to.
     
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    Can't wait to see NVlink RTX2080Ti
     
  10. whatevs

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    I dunno they are actually a blessing, maybe. They are accelerating the inoculation of a vast number of gamers. Burn out on one of these hyper addictive but empty games and then get a good immunity boost to crap games for a good long time.

    If they survive, i guess, as with any addiction, there are definite losers.
     
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    These days 'games' seem more like social experiments and the science behind making them compelling is scary.
     
  12. Wiffle

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    Idle hands are the Devil's playthings.

    I would much rather have the youth of America addicted to video game hookers, e-crack, and shootouts in GTAONLINE9000 than real hookers, real meth, and shooting up my neighborhood for lulz.

    I think video games are very much the savior of this day and age, especially once AI takes over and there are no longer any "REAL" jobs.

    Or another dystopian view: The police can't frame me for doing something I'm not when I am clearly playing a game online for 12 hours straight. Loopholes are a bitch.
     
  13. nutzo

    nutzo [H]ardness Supreme

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    Fixed that for you.


    New Flash: Almost everything in a consumer economy works this way.

    This is no different than TV series that leave you wanting to see the next episode, or the book that leaves openings for the next book in the series.

    Even Disneyland operates under this premise, adding new rides and making changes to old rides.

    How about the cell phone? New one comes out with new must have features.
     
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    Best response ha
     
  15. theBrownLlama

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    books are evil too /s
    these nefarious authors uses specific hooks like an intriguing mysteries, and plot twists , to keep the reader hooked.
    and they even uses the tactic of making trilogies.

    and comics? oh boy, it uses visual cues like the casino industry, to pull the reader in...
    /s
     
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    I just want to point out that no one accused the game companies of sucking players in by creating a great game.


    P.S. I finally bought my GTX 1080 ($439.00), and then I bought Far Cry 5, and two nights ago I found out that if I play the way I like, the game moves the plot line ahead and in some ways finishes the game for me, which REALLY pissed me off. I was having a great time, but now I can't play the game.
     
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  17. Toconator

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    lol. You're killing me Kyle. My hardware purchases have slowed a bit in last few years but I did just buy a 6 GB videocard so I could finally play Fallout 4 @ 1440p with the Hi-res texture pack they released for free. Actually "play" might not be accurate, more like "immerse myself in" as 7 hours goes by and seems like 1. Horrors! I must bae an addict ...
     
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    I am not an addict. I am a gaming aficionado. They need to get it right!
     
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  19. Maxx

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    Whoa, whoa, whoa. EA for one would never do this.
     
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  20. noclevername

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    Damn right EA would never do something like that! And you better believe that nothing of the sort would ever be done by Activision either!!
     
  21. Maxx

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    The fact that EA has moved to Origin Access Premier ($99/yr) that gives you not only the best editions of all their top games, but unlimited early access not available to regular pre-orders, should be a giant f'n wake-up call to people. Yet I don't see anybody talking about it. "BFV pre-orders are weak." So what? FIFA 18 made almost a BILLION dollars on MTX after the fact. Who gives a F about sticker price? They'll just Amazon Prime you into a regular thing with F2P quality and nickel-and-dime you into the grave. People are way too slow to adjust to this new reality.
     
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    Instead of playing WoW, I should spend my time watching MSNBC. I'm sure that'd make the WSJ happy.
     
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  24. travbrad

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    The more videogames do this kind of stuff the less I find myself playing them.
    I have very similar feelings and have wasted too much time especially when I was younger on games. I guess we all need some sort of recreation/hobby though. Watching TV for example is just as much of a waste if not worse (since it's totally passive). My real obsessive hobby now is learning guitar, piano, and bass and I know those could be seen as a nonproductive waste of time too but at least at the end of the day I have something to show for it in the real world, not just some steam/xbox/etc achievements/trophies.

    I never played Fallout: New Vegas for example and own it but I just can't bring myself to play it having already played Fallout 3 and 4. I know it's a huge time investment but however good it may be I know it's going to basically be the same experience as the other games.
     
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    The word your thinking of is Player Choice.

    Also we need to remember games are expensive. It's not like they can afford to keep updates and servers running on their own dime! EA couldn't afford to do that!
     
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  26. Dead Parrot

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    How is what game designers are accused of doing by this article different from what FB/Twitter/TV networks/etc. are doing? Giving the customer what they want is good for business. Now what the customer wants may be bad for the customer, all things considered.

    I can thank my interest in gaming from keeping me from becoming addicted to FB/Twitter/other social media. I figured out early on that social media would wind up being yet another time sink and decided I would rather spend that time gaming.
     
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    F2P mobile games should be forbidden. They play on people's gambling addiction.
    This is why I will always support games like WoW. You pay a sub and then everyone's equal, depending on how they play. No $$$$$ whales spending thousands of dollars each month to get the advantage.
     
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    The WSJ - So an article written by old people, for old people to perpetuate the banging of canes on porches.
     
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  29. kju1

    kju1 2[H]4U

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    This sounds a lot like someone bitching who feels like they have been left out. Maybe they just need to write their own game ;)
     
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  30. ChoGGi

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    You've played 3 and 4, but not New Vegas? For shame good sir!

    Could say the same about... Movies, but no video games are the Devils work.
     
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  31. TheOne&OnlyZeke

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    I've had to stop playing any games that require maybe more then an hour of time. Kids sucking up valuable me time.
    Fuckers

    So I stick with Battlefield and GTA V mainly

    Once the kids are older and can fend for themselves I'll get back to gaming and ignore them properly

    :D
     
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    If not games, something else. Human beings are naturally addicted to one thing or another. I'm addicted to jogging and cleaning my cars.
     
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    Actually WSJ is owned by Murdoch/Fox. Although I agree that this is just one media type competing against another by portraying it as bad. I'm sure it's much healthier to spend all night in front of the TV than in front of a computer. They probably paid for a study that says that....

     
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    In other news, cars are made to be driven, most movies are made to be watched, meals made to keep people eating. Please no one tell them sex feels good to keep people making people.
     
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    Like anything else in life I believe really there just needs to be a balance. Like the old saying, even too much of a good thing isn't necessarily good for you.
     
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    As is all too usual, they roughly hit the right wall, but somehow manage to miss the huge bullseye; who gives a smeg if games provide extreme value for money? It's the games that provide little game play whilst extracting as much money and time as possible from the player which are the real problem.
     
  37. Kyle_Bennett

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    You sir, can take that attitude and get off my lawn!

    You H'ers and your screwed up priority.... ;)
     
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    I agree with basically your whole post, and I have independently expressed the same concerns. However, noting the quoted part above.... You are shortly, surely, going to have no time for any kind of game. I suspect several years will be used playing, "Threaten the boy." It's like whack-a-mole.

    Four girls. God almighty.
     
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    LOL its funny you mention that because that was exactly what was running through my mind when I imagined the people writing this article...
     
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    Who's old enough to remember the Pinball Panic of the '70s? Arcades ended up getting regulated in some districts!