Venom Is a Waste of Tom Hardy's Talent and Your Time According to Reviews

Wyodiver said:
Tom Hardy is a very versatile actor, quite good, actually. But he's no clone of Patrick Stewart.
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but in all seriousness , i think he`s a great actor, very versatile and convincing
 
Was considering day one. As long as Sony doesn't price out the 4k at $30+ on release day I may get it then. If they do, then it'll go into a growing list of netflix stuff I'm waiting on-Solo, Fallen Kingdom, this.
 
JStamsek said:
Exactly what they did with Spawn in the 90's. Those comics were fucking brutal.
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Just an interesting connection. Todd McFarlane (creator of spawn) is one of two people credited with the creation of Venom, happy coincidence .. or is it. My students constantly tell me I "fan girl" over McFarlane.

(This is why)

If anyone wants to watch a great documentary, about Image splitting off from Marvel I would highly recommend the video series, on youtube, The History of Image Comics: (So much damage). That group or artists were young, overconfident, full of themselves, and really a bunch of assholes … and I loved that about them. They set up meetings with Marvel and DC just to tell them they would never work for them (ended up not being true) and they didn't like how they ran their businesses. So awesome.
 
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Derangel said:
Venom has been an anti-hero for years and Lethal Protector arc this movie is loosely based on is actually one of his decent Anti-Hero arcs. Though, even getting that story remotely close would require the two things Sony didn't want: A R rating and Spider-Man. The only way to even do a decent PG-13 Spidy-less Venom story would be to go down the Agent Venom path.
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THIS. No R and no Spider-Man, and I knew it would be mediocre at best. A real waste of whatever they paid TH and his time. He deserves better.
 
Derangel said:
Eh. The first Jurassic World was okay. It was a fun, mindless, action movie that knew how to keep the audience engaged and didn't overstay it's welcome. Fallen Kingdom on the other hand...It might actually be worse than Jurassic Park 3.
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Hard Disagree. JP3 was easily the worst of the franchise. Fallen Kingdom wasn't bad - *IF* you accept that it's not an adventure story. It's a creature feature. That's categorically different than the other films in the franchise.
 
Probably not SJW enough for today's critics. If nothing else it should be a good popcorn flick.
 
T_A said:
but in all seriousness , i think he`s a great actor, very versatile and convincing
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Yep. Some movies that make better use of him:

The Drop
Mad Max Fury Road
Locke
Revenant

But if you really want to see his acting chops in a psychological "wtf" movie see Bronson.
 
TripleAgent77 said:
THIS. No R and no Spider-Man, and I knew it would be mediocre at best. A real waste of whatever they paid TH and his time. He deserves better.
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Yup. Needs the spiderman backstory. A whole spiderman movie could be made with the symbiote bonding with Brock at the end. Then do a Venom movie. And the Venom movie should be labeled a horror movie its so scary. Hardy would have gotten 2 movies out of the deal, and if it worked well it could lead to a decade+ of movies like it did for Jackman. I can easily forgive bad CGI, but bad story and bad acting I cannot.

I'm not going to see it, not unless you guys all come running back to [H] and rave about how good it was.
 
Ski said:
Uproxx - Mike Ryan

Now, I do want to make it clear that I think Venom is not a good movie, but I also want to make it clear that I had the time of my life watching it. I think in a couple of years Venom could be the type of movie that sells out midnight showings as people come up to the screen and act out their favorite parts – like a Rocky Horror Picture Show type of thing. My point is, if you’re in the right group and right frame of mind, Venom is really fun to watch.
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This is why I"m going on Saturday to see it. I'm not expecting an expose into great film, I'm expecting to see Tom Hardy go bat shit insane and murderhobo people as Venom. Would it be better as a Netflix series? Yes for sure, but this will work for now....
 
I am 46 and I have felt that a lot of these superhero movies are geared to teenagers because they are stupid enough to love them because it is a superhero movie. I liked the Ironman movies, but most of the rest I couldn't care less about. So I typically get the reviews from these critics. The actual viewer reviews tend to always be better simply because they are the age they are..
 
Derangel said:
Venom has been an anti-hero for years and Lethal Protector arc this movie is loosely based on is actually one of his decent Anti-Hero arcs. Though, even getting that story remotely close would require the two things Sony didn't want: A R rating and Spider-Man. The only way to even do a decent PG-13 Spidy-less Venom story would be to go down the Agent Venom path.
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Yea, that was my confusion with this film since Venom originally comes about from brock hating parker (and the symbiote) and wanting revenge (they tried to do that the first time around when they stuffed 4 villains into one spidey movie). I was hoping they would attempt to redo that whole parker and the symbiote in the newer spidey movies but I guess not. I've got almost all of the venom lethal protector comics in my closet somewhere. I was a big venom fan. I was hoping this movie would be like the short clip they did back in the day....but I guess not.
 
Rahh said:
Yes it was. Have you even watched it? I wouldn't blame you if you hadn't but it was clearly R in 1997.
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I saw it in theaters in 1997 and remember being disappointed it was PG-13 since I followed the comics.

The theatrical version released back then was PG-13. Clearly.

https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=121048

“Another aspect for the failure of the film was the studio's decision to edit the Theatrical Version of the movie to get a PG-13 rating (for thematic elements involving the demonic underworld, violence, intense fantasy action and crude humor). ”
 
Meh, movie reviewers, could care less what most of them say as people have their own opinions and views.
Just tell me what the movie's about, then I'll decide if I want to see it and when.
 
This monster looks like an 'advanced Gene Simmons'. Not sure I would like to hear a LICK played on his guitar!
 
Draax said:
Just an interesting connection. Todd McFarlane (creator of spawn) is one of two people credited with the creation of Venom, happy coincidence .. or is it.
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Makes sense in that light, both characters embody a "suit" of some sort that is someway connected to the owner's thoughts, can morph into whatever shape the user needs, I mean to be honest it sounds really unoriginal and lacks creativity, the same character with different mechanisms.
 
So I noticed that RT gave Solo a 70% and that was a total piece of garbage cost 250m to make and has only brought in 385m worldwide.

They gave 50 shades of grey 25% , however it only cost 50m to make and so far it as rolled in 570m worldwide. granted it has been out longer.

Soooo it seems to me that RT has gotten a little elitist in their reviews and no longer know what the people like.

I dont go to a movie most of the time looking for some vast, sweeping, intellectually stimulating saga that will make my brain hurt analyzing everything...

Sometimes, I just want "Hulk Smash"
 
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NiViK said:
Soooo it seems to me that RT has gotten a little elitist in their reviews and no longer know what the people like.
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What is 'good' and what 'people like' are very different standards. Movie reviewers should be adhering to a more objective baseline that takes the totality of the work into account, and then add subjective perspectives to relate that baseline to likely intended and interested audiences.

For example, the 2/4 stars review I linked above claims that it's not a very good movie overall, but that it is a good performance by Hardy. Meaning that if you're looking for a good movie or a good Venom movie, you'll likely be disappointed, but if you're looking for a good performance from Tom Hardy, you might find the movie enjoyable.

I plan on seeing it ASAP.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Makes sense in that light, both characters embody a "suit" of some sort that is someway connected to the owner's thoughts, can morph into whatever shape the user needs, I mean to be honest it sounds really unoriginal and lacks creativity, the same character with different mechanisms.
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Spawn and Venom are very different characters with different motivations .. and I'm not talking about the Spawn movie. The comics and even the animated series are much better.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Makes sense in that light, both characters embody a "suit" of some sort that is someway connected to the owner's thoughts, can morph into whatever shape the user needs, I mean to be honest it sounds really unoriginal and lacks creativity, the same character with different mechanisms.
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McFarland obviously wasn't done with Venom when he left that project. Even the color is the same barring the red accessories.
 
Derangel said:
Eh. The first Jurassic World was okay. It was a fun, mindless, action movie that knew how to keep the audience engaged and didn't overstay it's welcome. Fallen Kingdom on the other hand...It might actually be worse than Jurassic Park 3.
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I find that hard to believe.
 
capt_cope said:
I find that hard to believe.
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Jurassic Park 3 is at least fun to watch. It's a bad movie, but there are points where it crosses into laughably bad. Like the talking dinosaur scene you posted. Fallen Kingdom is just dull. It fails as an action movie, it fails as a creature feature, it fails to make the audience give a crap about the dinosaurs or their dilemma, and so on. JP3 I can go back to for a chuckle or when I feel like doing a series marathon, but I have no desire to re-watch Fallen Kingdom. It's not even worth riffing on with friends.
 
jpm100 said:
I'm guessing the strategy was to put the movie at PG. Then release an R-rated cut to Blu-Ray among 5 other cuts.
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Nope. Apparently not:

“To me, R is not a consideration,” Arad said. “Can you get away with not R so that other people can see? So that younger people can see? I made an animated show. There was a lot of Venom in there. It was in ’94. There’s no reason to put in violence. To define what Venom is as violence. He’s not. He’s the lethal protector, which is a very different thing. We want to be really true to the comics. Today, in CGI and stuff, we can make Venom bite your head. But we don’t have to show the head going side to side like, ‘that actually tastes good.’ It’s irrelevant. What’s relevant is that you finally understood, is that a bad guy? Yeah.”

“There isn’t some phantom version of the movie,” Tolmach explained. “Everyone is asking us that. Is there an R-rated cut sitting there? There isn’t. We came into this production and the development of the movie wanting to make a movie that was true to Venom, true to the comics, and true to the character, but at the same time is a movie that 13-year-olds, 14-year-olds can see. We had to push right up against it. We’re 15+ in England. It’s not like we just wanted to make a family film. We wanted to push it as hard as we could, but also to make it accessible. That was always the goal.”
 
True to the comics and true to Venom they did miss...
 
Derangel said:
The Spawn movie was garbage.
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Pretty good OST, though. The CGI was horrible, of course. I actually thought I was watching a new Spawn movie trailer a few months ago when I discovered this Venom thing. I kind of liked it, even though super hero movies are not for me. Not at all
 
NiViK said:
So I noticed that RT gave Solo a 70% and that was a total piece of garbage cost 250m to make and has only brought in 385m worldwide.

They gave 50 shades of grey 25% , however it only cost 50m to make and so far it as rolled in 570m worldwide. granted it has been out longer.

Soooo it seems to me that RT has gotten a little elitist in their reviews and no longer know what the people like.
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That's why I like RT though, because it actually has "reviewers" ratings and "viewers" ratings, plenty of horrible rated RT movies that decent ratings from viewers.
I dont go to a movie most of the time looking for some vast, sweeping, intellectually stimulating saga that will make my brain hurt analyzing everything...

Sometimes, I just want "Hulk Smash"
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Plus it's also why I don't particularly like listening to people's reviews of movies, I didn't mind Solo that much, granted it wasn't good enough for me to want to watch again, but it wasn't as horrible as people put out there. Then there is the assortment of Adam Sandler movies, almost universally hated by RT, I don't mind watching them (except for Jack & Jill, The Cobbler and The Ridculous 6, the last two can be attributed to Netflix just throwing a big bag of money at him and saying "make something original for us") however movies like Blended, or Just Go With It, it's almost an automatic watch if it's on TV. Sometimes you just want something simple. That said, it would be hard pressed to actually pay to go see a movie, but that's more of an reflection on the absurdly high costs to see a movie and the constant nickel and dimeing of customers if they want to see it on a "NICE" screen, or in 3D, Avatar is coming up on 10 years old the special 3D equipment should be paid off by now.... the reality is 3D movie upcharge is the movies version of "Resort Fee"
 
sfsuphysics said:
the reality is 3D movie upcharge is the movies version of "Resort Fee"
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I'll pay extra for a reserved recliner-style seat with a decent sound system and screen. 3D is what it is, but if I have to pick, AMC's Dolby Atmos theaters are pretty damn good on all points, most especially for movies with darker visuals.
 
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