Valve Dev Jess Cliffe Arrested for Child Sex Exploitation

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Salty? I'm not crying any tears for this perv. CS:GO is a crap game, it needs to burn in a fire someplace. The people who play it are the worst of humanity. Well, after LoL players. But it's a close second.
Have you ever played DOTA? Definitely more toxic than LoL.
 

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Salty? I'm not crying any tears for this perv. CS:GO is a crap game, it needs to burn in a fire someplace. The people who play it are the worst of humanity. Well, after LoL players. But it's a close second.


awww.. did some meanies hurt yo feels, when u sucked in casual??? did they vote kick u??

it is a fun game... mostly the community is pretty funny... there are some dick heads.. and too many sqeakers with mics (and bad parents that let their much to young kids play this game).

but with a understanding of the mute function and or voice_enable 0 for the more sensitive of snowflakes it is a fun game and on of the most popular FPS games out there.
 

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he was using an app to hook up. paid chic for time. a few times. took small video on phone. chic didn't like it. turned him in. her age was never discussed. he turned himself in.

most likely she found out how much he was worth or her parents found out she was a prostitute and theyfound out how much he is worth.

who knows though.......
 
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Salty? I'm not crying any tears for this perv. CS:GO is a crap game, it needs to burn in a fire someplace. The people who play it are the worst of humanity. Well, after LoL players. But it's a close second.

This perv? Being attracted to young women is biology. How is that a bad thing? This fucking society, man.
 

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This perv? Being attracted to young women is biology. How is that a bad thing? This fucking society, man.


For me, I have my own limits. I see young women and yes they are attractive, but I got my own hangup about the idea of dating girls my kid's age.
 

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be careful dgz, your comments may land you in jail before you knew what even happened
 

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For me, I have my own limits. I see young women and yes they are attractive, but I got my own hangup about the idea of dating girls my kid's age.

That would depend on how old your daughter is. The age scale is not linear.
 

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That would depend on how old your daughter is. The age scale is not linear.

I'm 58 next month, my oldest girl is 32 ...... the scale may not be linear ..... but for me it's a moving threshold I will not likely bring myself to fly under :stop:
 

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So charges are out and he is being charged with effectively "recording sex with a minor":
RCW 9.68A.040
Sexual exploitation of a minor—Elements of crime—Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of sexual exploitation of a minor if the person:
(a) Compels a minor by threat or force to engage in sexually explicit conduct, knowing that such conduct will be photographed or part of a live performance;
(b) Aids, invites, employs, authorizes, or causes a minor to engage in sexually explicit conduct, knowing that such conduct will be photographed or part of a live performance; or
(c) Being a parent, legal guardian, or person having custody or control of a minor, permits the minor to engage in sexually explicit conduct, knowing that the conduct will be photographed or part of a live performance.
(2) Sexual exploitation of a minor is a class B felony punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.

Specifically 1(b) apparently.

As an FYI, age of consent in washington is 16. She was 16 at the time. But minor is defined as <18 in the statute he is charged under.
 

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So charges are out and he is being charged with effectively "recording sex with a minor":
RCW 9.68A.040
Sexual exploitation of a minor—Elements of crime—Penalty.
(1) A person is guilty of sexual exploitation of a minor if the person:
(a) Compels a minor by threat or force to engage in sexually explicit conduct, knowing that such conduct will be photographed or part of a live performance;
(b) Aids, invites, employs, authorizes, or causes a minor to engage in sexually explicit conduct, knowing that such conduct will be photographed or part of a live performance; or
(c) Being a parent, legal guardian, or person having custody or control of a minor, permits the minor to engage in sexually explicit conduct, knowing that the conduct will be photographed or part of a live performance.
(2) Sexual exploitation of a minor is a class B felony punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.

Specifically 1(b) apparently.

As an FYI, age of consent in washington is 16. She was 16 at the time. But minor is defined as <18 in the statute he is charged under.

I think the big thing is really going to come down whether or not the prosecution can prove that he knew her age. He, thought his attorney, has admitted to doing the acts but maintains that he believed she was over 18. Hopefully the jury isn't stacked full of people that have teenage daughters.
 

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I think the big thing is really going to come down whether or not the prosecution can prove that he knew her age. He, thought his attorney, has admitted to doing the acts but maintains that he believed she was over 18. Hopefully the jury isn't stacked full of people that have teenage daughters.

The laws are written such that knowledge of age is immaterial. He could of asked, seen an ID that said she was 18 or 19 or 29, and legally it wouldn't matter. The act, itself, is illegal without regard to knowledge or state of mind. Almost all child porn laws are written as such and have generally been upheld as such.
 

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The laws are written such that knowledge of age is immaterial. He could of asked, seen an ID that said she was 18 or 19 or 29, and legally it wouldn't matter. The act, itself, is illegal without regard to knowledge or state of mind. Almost all child porn laws are written as such and have generally been upheld as such.

While understandable in certain situations, its kind of shitty in this one. If he had been led to believe she was over 18 then it really doesn't make him a monster like a person that intentionally went looking for someone underage to exploit.
 

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I'm 58 next month, my oldest girl is 32 ...... the scale may not be linear ..... but for me it's a moving threshold I will not likely bring myself to fly under :stop:

Than you're a better person than me. At least in this regard.
 

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Than you're a better person than me. At least in this regard.

Most of us have our hang-ups, I think ours are just different.

Live and let live right?

You'd have to hit me pretty damned close to home to get me to show up at your door with the pitchfork (y)
 

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Most of us have our hang-ups, I think ours are just different.

Live and let live right?

You'd have to hit me pretty damned close to home to get me to show up at your door with the pitchfork (y)

I hit the other extreme a few times in my early 20s. Screwing a few 50+ ladies. They all had something in common: none could perform a proper blowjob. It shows pr0n wasn't very popular back in the day.
 
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