Using License Plate Data To Shame Johns

Ducman69 said:
Hah! Well, the contract isn't really written in the male's favor these days. Its like when a town signs an exclusivity agreement with an ISP, but then finds out once the brief courting honeymoon is over that they have you on lockdown and no longer deliver the services promised but you are hit with huge financial penalties if you try to get out of the contract.
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roflmao! truth!
 
BlueFireIce said:
Selling sex is wrong and you should go to jail for it!! Unless you video tape it and sell that video for other people to watch....Yet these same people claiming prostitution is wrong are not picketing porn studios and willing to bet many of them watch porn. Talking about double standard.
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Because a porn star is not really a market place competitor, so its not as direct a threat. I think they also forget that many sex workers make more than doctors, when otherwise their skillset if not using their looks would have them slaving over a frying pan at McDonalds making minimum wage. I believe the going rate in Amsterdam is now $50 per 15 mins, or $200 an hour with minimal expenses for rental space and they have full legal police protection and get this don't even pay taxes (which in Europe are otherwise around 50% of your income), and many are from countries like Romania where they are now making over 100 times their previous annual salary in their home country as a waitress or other similar job, and I know I'd take over a one hundred fold pay raise if women were willing to pay me to be a gigolo! ;)
 
Ducman69 said:
Because a porn star is not really a market place competitor, so its not as direct a threat. I think they also forget that many sex workers make more than doctors, when otherwise their skillset if not using their looks would have them slaving over a frying pan at McDonalds making minimum wage. I believe the going rate in Amsterdam is now $50 per 15 mins, or $200 an hour with minimal expenses for rental space and they have full legal police protection and get this don't even pay taxes (which in Europe are otherwise around 50% of your income), and many are from countries like Romania where they are now making over 100 times their previous annual salary in their home country as a waitress or other similar job, and I know I'd take over a one hundred fold pay raise if women were willing to pay me to be a gigolo! ;)
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Ah yes, but just remember, you will not always get the attractive clients...

I want to be a gyno, i get to oggle all day long, yes well grandpa has appointments too....
 
Ducman69 said:
You do realize that with rare exception all women sell sex, at least informally. Marriage is essentially born as a financial contract for exclusive sex rights in exchange for security. How many girlfriends that don't work are essentially exchanging sex for goods and services the male provides? When a guy has sex with his girlfriend and she goes out and uses money from his bank account to buy a new pair of shoes or he gives her an allowance, yes, that's basically saying "Job well done" and finding a more subtle way than leaving money on the night dresser. Its the same reason that in the dating scene the guy pays for the food, the drinks, and may bring gifts, its an informal exchange of currency for sex.

The big problem with sex workers though is the fact that they deflate the market by selling too cheap and taking care of too many guys, which really pisses off other women. Its like if you have a pretty healthy contract as a landscaper for a rich guy, and then all of a sudden there are fifteen illegal aliens that will take care of all the lawns in the neighborhood for next to nothing and you get dumped or have to lower your demands.
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Clearly my wife didn't get the memo! :)
 
Somebody is bound to have their friend drive their car around as a cruel joke or maybe a vengeful woman trying to get better alimony from her husband.
 
Jospeh said:
A woman that willingly chooses to make money by selling her body is not being raped.
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And that is the problem. I'd argue that most are not "willing", as they are being controlled, brainwashed, or otherwise forced into the business.
Even many that you might consider "willing" are really being forced into it due to a lack of other choices, or bad choices they made in the past.
 
Best use of technology ever! People should get arrested and thrown in jail just for thinking about that kind of stuff! I think the only problem is that someone will scream that it's sexist since it only nabs men, but men are the only ones who ever do stuff like this because they're oversexed and can't control their urges. I saw this one movie where this one guy who died at the end of it was messing with himself while bathing in the first scene of the movie. If that's true and it's that uncontrollable, we need to start issuing pills to fix that.
 
Dayaks said:
Wait, hold on. This is inherently wrong.


Since when do married guys have sex?!
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Marriage is mainly about providing a stable (hopefully) home to raise kids.
All that other stuff is secondary.
 
Ducman69 said:
Because a porn star is not really a market place competitor, so its not as direct a threat.
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Defiantly not, but every time I point this out, that the action and exchange is the same to people who are outraged at prostitution they blow it off as "not the same", even though it is. Many of these people are friends and I know more than a few of them (mostly girls) have some rather large porn stashes. One of the girls I work with, she very openly talks about all the porn she watches with me, yet she will get to the point of yelling at me because I argue there is nothing wrong with consensual prostitution.

Some time back, one of my coworkers used to really be into hookers (we did pipeline work), and with all the travel and no wife back home, not really for me, seems quite awkward, but I met a few of the chicks, he would find them ahead of time on some website, they would often hang around, speaking with him, rates were 300-600 an hour for the better ones, I am not going to lie, most of them were lookers, some not so much, and all these girls did it by choice, they were independent, did not report and share money with anyone. Truth be told, if I was a good looking chick....It might really be something I would look into, even if you only had one client a night, good God, that's $2100 tax free bucks a week for 7 hours of work, I will never come close to that in my field.
 
nutzo said:
Marriage is mainly about providing a stable (hopefully) home to raise kids.
All that other stuff is secondary.
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Women who decide to raise kids are being shunned by society as not being real contributers. They are called lazy for wanting to be a home maker. Real women work in an office all day.
 
Steve said:
The city of Los Angeles wants to use license plate data to identify people that frequent areas known for prostitution so they can send letters to their homes. Great use of tax money. :rolleyes:
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Really love the way counties deal with this problem, this is like putting up stings to arrest drug buyers, rather than focus on the supply side of things, lets attack the larger picture of many more people most of whom are in someway addicted.

Los Angeles is considering sending “Dear John” letters to the homes of men who solicit prostitutes hoping the mail will be opened by mothers, girlfriends or wives. In a statement issued by her office Wednesday, Martinez said, “If you aren’t soliciting, you have no reason to worry about finding one of these letters in your mailbox.
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Reminds me of something the SF mayor said way back in the day to justify the astronomical cost of parking tickets "...remember these are people who are breaking the law..." *sigh*
 
Zarathustra[H];1042005187 said:
I have no problem with shaming real Johns. Better yet, put them.I. prison where they belong.

That being said, what about the people who have legitimate business in these areas? Are they going to cause their personal lives harm by sending them these letters too? How are they going to make sure only the right people get them?
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What about their professional lives, will HR departments start searching this same source just like they check with Facebook and Twitter to see if they are hiring the right sort of people?
 
sfsuphysics said:
Really love the way counties deal with this problem, this is like putting up stings to arrest drug buyers, rather than focus on the supply side of things, lets attack the larger picture of many more people most of whom are in someway addicted.



Reminds me of something the SF mayor said way back in the day to justify the astronomical cost of parking tickets "...remember these are people who are breaking the law..." *sigh*
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The drug trade is driven by demand. Lessening demand has an impact on supply which impacts cost. If you could convince our population to give up illegal drug use entirely the problem would go away or at least become so small as to not be a real problem at all.
 
westrock2000 said:
Women who decide to raise kids are being shunned by society as not being real contributers. They are called lazy for wanting to be a home maker. Real women work in an office all day.
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I've never seen or heard this.
 
westrock2000 said:
Women who decide to raise kids are being shunned by society as not being real contributers. They are called lazy for wanting to be a home maker. Real women work in an office all day.
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IMO real women or men within a marriage make mutual agreements on household issues. Regardless if you're a stay at home parent or a big time CEO


and on topic, I could see people mailing out massive letters that are bogus just for the lulz
 
Hasn't it been proven that locations that allow for prostitution have lower instances of domestic abuse?
 
Zarathustra[H];1042005360 said:
You people disgust me almost as much as those who would hire a sex worker.

The statistics are pretty clear on this one. Sex workers are overwhelmingly victims of abuse who started what they do not because they wanted to, but because they had to. Taking advantage of them is a special kind of evil.

I'm done with this thread.
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If you come back Z, do you think it's the same for the women working the legal Brothels in Nevada?
 
Zarathustra[H];1042005224 said:
Taking advantage of a woman in a tough financial situation forced to sell their bodies is absolutely disgustingly evil, and deserving of real hard prison time.

Remember, coerced sex is rape.

Not to mention that a good proportion of prostitutes are the product of human trafficking.
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You are funny. What about the other way around, the women taking advantage of men who can't get any?

Hell, I sell my body, I go into work, they should really arrest the govt entity that employs me. Those fuckin' bastards. Or s it just women selling their bodies that bother you?
 
Zarathustra[H];1042005360 said:
You people disgust me almost as much as those who would hire a sex worker.

The statistics are pretty clear on this one. Sex workers are overwhelmingly victims of abuse who started what they do not because they wanted to, but because they had to. Taking advantage of them is a special kind of evil.

I'm done with this thread.
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Exactly. You make very good points. Most people look at hookers and think about the glamour of Las Vegas. The sad reality is that the vast majority of these women are vulnerable for the great reasons you just stated. Taking advantage of vulnerable women is absolutely despicable.
 
Zarathustra[H];1042005187 said:
I have no problem with shaming real Johns. Better yet, put them.I. prison where they belong.

That being said, what about the people who have legitimate business in these areas? Are they going to cause their personal lives harm by sending them these letters too? How are they going to make sure only the right people get them?
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Or those innocent individuals who get lost (either because they don't have an updated nav or are using a TomTom)?

Also makes ya wonder what would happen if such an innocent individual gets such a notice which leads to a costly divorce. I could only imagine the lawyers who would sue the city for damages.
 
This shit is disgusting. We should encourage prostitution. Guys want shameless sex for money, women want to make money for sex. Make it safe like nevada and tax it. This country needs to stop viewing sex as some horrible thing only some people do...

Some people are just socially fucked up and cannot handle the intricate shit involved with the relationships and sex. They need to get their rocks off too and our society treats that like some nasty crime that they want to get off...
 
amdgamer said:
Exactly. You make very good points. Most people look at hookers and think about the glamour of Las Vegas. The sad reality is that the vast majority of these women are vulnerable for the great reasons you just stated. Taking advantage of vulnerable women is absolutely despicable.
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They are vulnerable because their trade is illegal so, just like drug dealers, they can't turn to the police for protection. In Europe, where prostitution has been legal for some time now, the industry is regulated and they have fixed locations with security guards and cameras and police that allow it to run like any other business. But that's OK, lets keep pretending making prostitution is illegal for the prostitutes sake... ;)
 
Ducman69 said:
They are vulnerable because their trade is illegal so, just like drug dealers, they can't turn to the police for protection. In Europe, where prostitution has been legal for some time now, the industry is regulated and they have fixed locations with security guards and cameras and police that allow it to run like any other business. But that's OK, lets keep pretending making prostitution is illegal for the prostitutes sake... ;)
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Also keep in mind many prostitutes now are illegal slaves being held against their will. Legalizing it would make a massive blow against sex slave trafficking. Who in their right mind would go for a street walker when they could go to the legal establishment.
 
amdgamer said:
Exactly. You make very good points. Most people look at hookers and think about the glamour of Las Vegas. The sad reality is that the vast majority of these women are vulnerable for the great reasons you just stated. Taking advantage of vulnerable women is absolutely despicable.
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I support both sides of this position. Currently as-is, the level of human trafficking, abuse, forced sexual slavery, etc, is...disgusting doesn't even cover it. So no, picking up a hooker off the street is very, very far from OK and it isn't a consensual, healthy transaction.

That being said, I do support legalization precisely for those reasons. Now you have victims whose work is practically criminalized and they must fear for themselves from both law enforcement AND their abusers. Bring sunshine into it and allow LE to focus then on the human traffickers, which will continue to operate, but hopefully at very reduced numbers, which can better be targeted.

My same thoughts on drugs, currently.
 
TwistedAegis said:
My same thoughts on drugs, currently.
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Amen, and not sure why its confusing to people to. We already went through this with the alcohol prohibition, with gangsters fighting each other for territory, shooting cops with automatic weapons, making illegal bathtub drinks that made people blind, etc. and it didn't stop people that wanted to drink from drinking. How did they get rid of the problem? Legalized and regulated it. People could go to a regular safe store like Specs, all above board, pay taxes, and the gangsters were out of a trade and had to go into politics and unions. From what I hear, Colorado now too has seen drops in violent crime, in arrests, and people can go to safety regulated stores, buy quality products from honest business owners with reputations and security, and not only do they save a crapton of money from all the raids and arrests and detention costs and what not, but are raising millions upon millions in revenue to put towards rehab centers for hard drugs (which hopefully will have their primary gateway run out of business... the previous illegal drug dealers that sold clients soft drugs and informed them they had hard drugs available to push too).
 
so sad.. as a resident of socal this infuriates me that the high taxes we already pay go to fund this type of nonsense...

Prostitution should be legalized dont waste any more of tax payers money on this useless prohibition.. Americans as a society are very strange on this subject. Culturally we are so conflicted based upon a puritanical roots that its comical.. Society uses sex to sell everything and anything yet the actual act of selling sex is illegal.. Its akin to a having candy stores on every corner of every street but being arrested if you actually go in.

On a side note since we had one today, if you look at alot of the mass shootings it really boils down to frustrated young men who cant get any and so they decide to wipe out a whole bunch of people because lifes not fair and they'll show eveyone. If they could just get their pp wet legally and safely I would bet that it would bring the number of shootings down dramatically.
 
Ducman69 said:
They are vulnerable because their trade is illegal so, just like drug dealers, they can't turn to the police for protection. In Europe, where prostitution has been legal for some time now, the industry is regulated and they have fixed locations with security guards and cameras and police that allow it to run like any other business. But that's OK, lets keep pretending making prostitution is illegal for the prostitutes sake... ;)
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I don't agree with Ducman's view on marriage but I think he's right here.

I'd personally never visit a prostitute because it's nasty but I have no clue why it's illegal.
 
Zarathustra[H];1042005360 said:
You people disgust me almost as much as those who would hire a sex worker.

The statistics are pretty clear on this one. Sex workers are overwhelmingly victims of abuse who started what they do not because they wanted to, but because they had to. Taking advantage of them is a special kind of evil.
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Yeah, that really didn't negate what I posted.
 
Something kind of similar occurred here, in the great white north, recently. A northern telecom was posting the names of customers in arrears on their Facebook page .... quite the douche-bag move. They were forced to take down their postings.
 
Disposed said:
This shit is disgusting. We should encourage prostitution. Guys want shameless sex for money, women want to make money for sex. Make it safe like nevada and tax it. This country needs to stop viewing sex as some horrible thing only some people do...

Some people are just socially fucked up and cannot handle the intricate shit involved with the relationships and sex. They need to get their rocks off too and our society treats that like some nasty crime that they want to get off...
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Alright, I guess I just couldn't stay away.

Let's flip it around and see how you like it:


Lets say you as a straight male are having a very tough time financially. You are either a single parent and fear you may not be able to feed your kids, or maybe you yourself are at risk of losing your home, have nowhere to go, and don't know where your next meal will come from.

You don't want to, but you feel forced to turn to selling yourself in order to make ends meet.

Now, lets face it. People who can get some on their own don't pay for prostitutes, so you'll likely be selling yourself to gay men or absolutely disgustingly fat or ugly women.

You'll probably feel pretty horrible about your situation.

You might get over it over time. As you get used to it, it may not seem as bad as it did at first, but it is still absolutely shameful that your should have to put yourself in that kind of position just to survive.

Statistical evidence is very clear in that girls who grow up in stable homes, have stable financial situations, are stable mentally and don't have addiction issues, or are not being trafficked as sex slaves rarely if ever wind up in the prostitution business. There is are always the exception, but overwhelmingly people don't wind up in this business by choice. Once they've had their spirits crushed by what they have felt forced to do, they may stay by choice, but that is not a position anyone should be in. Particularly so, because data shows that most who prostitute themselves start at a very young age.

Prositution is abuse of women. No exception. it doesn't matter if you live in a sick location where it is considered legal, regulated and protected. it is still abuse of women, and some sane countries that believe in protecting women (like Sweden for instance) have made it so legally.

Not only do Johns belong in jail, they should be registered sex offenders.

The same applies to a lesser extent to the women who work in porn, or strip for a living. The only thing that differs between the two is the level of severity.


Ducman69 said:
You do realize that with rare exception all women sell sex, at least informally. Marriage is essentially born as a financial contract for exclusive sex rights in exchange for security. How many girlfriends that don't work are essentially exchanging sex for goods and services the male provides? When a guy has sex with his girlfriend and she goes out and uses money from his bank account to buy a new pair of shoes or he gives her an allowance, yes, that's basically saying "Job well done" and finding a more subtle way than leaving money on the night dresser. Its the same reason that in the dating scene the guy pays for the food, the drinks, and may bring gifts, its an informal exchange of currency for sex.

The big problem with sex workers though is the fact that they deflate the market by selling too cheap and taking care of too many guys, which really pisses off other women. Its like if you have a pretty healthy contract as a landscaper for a rich guy, and then all of a sudden there are fifteen illegal aliens that will take care of all the lawns in the neighborhood for next to nothing and you get dumped or have to lower your demands.
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If you actually believe what you are saying, and not just saying it to score some sort of intellectual/argument point, you are a very cynical and sad individual. This is probably the saddest description of relationships I have ever seen.

Relationships are all about emotional attachment. If you are with someone, it should be because you LOVE that person in a "you and me against the world" "us as a team, building a life and a home together".

Sex certainly has its place. I mean most relationships start with some level of sexual attraction, but if you are in a committed long term relationship and the quality or frequency of sex has any impact on how you feel about the relationship or how happy you are, then there is something very wrong. In a relationship the emotional attachment and pairing as a team should be so profound that sex is completely irrelevant.

I'd even go so far as to suggest that if the quality or frequency of sex impacts your relationship in anyway (including the desire to go seek it elsewhere) you are in a bad relationship and should probably exit it.


I'm engaged to the love of my life. Let's assume that today while I am at work she either injures herself or has some sort of physical problem that prevents her from ever having sex again. I wouldn't cancel the engagement. I wouldn't try to sneak out and have sex with other women. I would simply not have sex again, out of choice, because I love her, I am dedicated to her no matter what, to the point where sex is completely irrelevant and unimportant. While I still find her unbelievably attractive, the reason I am with her is not for the sex. The reason I am with her is because I love her.

I also feel very confident that she feels the same way.

I'd argue that anyone who DOESN'T feel like I have described above, shouldn't be in a relationship at all.

I'll even take this one step further. The only reason two people should ever be having sex is because they both desire each other sexually. If anything else what so ever changes hands (money, property, favors, etc) in order to convince the other to have that sex it is just incredibly seedy and wrong, and should be illegal.

While I personally don't resort to casual sex, as I find it improper (I don't feel the need to be married, just in a committed relationship), even that is perfectly fine in my book, as long as the sole reason for it is that both people desire each other sexually and nothing else changes hands.
 
Ducman69 said:
They are vulnerable because their trade is illegal so, just like drug dealers, they can't turn to the police for protection. In Europe, where prostitution has been legal for some time now, the industry is regulated and they have fixed locations with security guards and cameras and police that allow it to run like any other business. But that's OK, lets keep pretending making prostitution is illegal for the prostitutes sake... ;)
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I can't say I agree across the board because just as you pointed out, there can be big differences in why a woman is a prostitute and what conditions they may work under.

But for most prostitution here in the US, your statement is accurate.
 
Ducman69 said:
Amen, and not sure why its confusing to people to. We already went through this with the alcohol prohibition, with gangsters fighting each other for territory, shooting cops with automatic weapons, making illegal bathtub drinks that made people blind, etc. and it didn't stop people that wanted to drink from drinking. How did they get rid of the problem? Legalized and regulated it. People could go to a regular safe store like Specs, all above board, pay taxes, and the gangsters were out of a trade and had to go into politics and unions. From what I hear, Colorado now too has seen drops in violent crime, in arrests, and people can go to safety regulated stores, buy quality products from honest business owners with reputations and security, and not only do they save a crapton of money from all the raids and arrests and detention costs and what not, but are raising millions upon millions in revenue to put towards rehab centers for hard drugs (which hopefully will have their primary gateway run out of business... the previous illegal drug dealers that sold clients soft drugs and informed them they had hard drugs available to push too).
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The Fed Says No to Pot Money, Unless it's the Government's Pot Money

Its a good read, more or less says that sellers in CO are having issues with handling money, because fed law still states banks can't hold money made from drug sale, yet at the same time, the fed/state is still taking its cut of the taxes and putting it in banks. :rolleyes:
 
Zarathustra[H];1042009062 said:
Alright, I guess I just couldn't stay away.

Let's flip it around and see how you like it:


Lets say you as a straight male are having a very tough time financially. You are either a single parent and fear you may not be able to feed your kids, or maybe you yourself are at risk of losing your home, have nowhere to go, and don't know where your next meal will come from.

You don't want to, but you feel forced to turn to selling yourself in order to make ends meet.
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WTF kind of reasoning is this? Theres no logic to that statement. So if prostitution is legalized all the poor hard up people will turn to prostitution? That dont make any fucking sense whatsoever. How do you make the instant connection like that?

"Oh shit, rents due now and im broke guess i have no choice but to go get pounded in my ass for money"

Just wow, no basis in reality whatsoever. If you really think the world works this way you fucking terrify me.
 
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