US Moves to Ban Kaspersky Software in Federal Agencies

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  1. Megalith

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    The US government has announced that they are banning the use of Kaspersky software by federal agencies amid concerns the company has ties to state-sponsored cyberespionage activities: federal civilian agencies have been ordered to identify such software on their networks and remove it after 90 days, on the grounds that the company has connections to the Russian government and its software poses a security risk.

    The company said in a statement Wednesday that it “doesn’t have inappropriate ties with any government, which is why no credible evidence has been presented publicly by anyone or any organization to back up the false allegations made against the company.” It also said that the Russian law requiring assistance does not apply to the company. “Kaspersky Lab has never helped, nor will help, any government in the world with its cyberespionage or offensive cyber efforts, and it’s disconcerting that a private company can be considered guilty until proven innocent, due to geopolitical issues,” Kaspersky said.
     
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  2. fightingfi

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    US Govt NSA and windows 10 spyes moar on you then kaspersky ever will if they ever did which cant be proven LULZ :p
     
  3. umeng2002

    umeng2002 Limp Gawd

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    Yeah but Kaspersky is on the "wrong" side.
     
  4. Mohonri

    Mohonri [H]ardness Supreme

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    It sure would be nice for the rest of the US public if the gov't would come out and share what exactly has them concerned...is there an issue right now, or are they worried that Kaspersky would issue an update down the road that would start spying on their computers?
     
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  5. fightingfi

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    is there a * right side* our own govt spies on us
     
  6. Mackintire

    Mackintire 2[H]4U

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    What? :confused:
     
  7. Jim Kim

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    Their concern is that they don't have a backdoor into Kaspersky like they do in made in the USA anti-viruses.
     
  8. cyberguyz

    cyberguyz Limp Gawd

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    Exactly. American govt (NSA) demands backdoors into all security software so they can perform illegal search3es without letting you know they are doing it. I am sure the Russian counterpart is doing the same thing to Kaspersky.
    The cure for all that is to use Windows Firewall and Windows Defender.


    Oh wait.... :D
     
  9. Rahh

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    Haha! I think it's probably wise but I see where the rest of you all are coming from. Nonetheless our Government probably shouldn't be running a foreign owned product that has ties to the Russian Government. Say what you want about the US products but this only makes sense at the end of the day.
     
  10. Mackintire

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    Why would you not want to trust Russian capitalists?
     
  11. PaulP

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    But that's the rub: there is no proof or even evidence that Kaspersky has ties to the Russian government. If you are going to go down that road, then you also need to ban US government agencies from buying routers, servers, printers, etc. from foreign owned companies since they contain a lot of firmware which could be used to spy on them. Actually, Kaspersky's software would be easier to verify as backdoor/spyware free than all that other stuff. But we can't expect the US government to be consistent, can we? sarc And after all, Kaspersky is a Russian company. Can't trust those damn Ruskies. /sarc
     
  12. DPI

    DPI [H]ardForum Junkie

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    So, "If you can't plug every hole in a leaky boat then why bother to plug any".

    That it?
     
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  13. PaulP

    PaulP Limp Gawd

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    No, it's "don't waste time plugging something that looks like it might become a hole someday, when you have waves sloshing in over the sides".
     
  14. thebufenator

    thebufenator Gawd

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    Some of you all have no idea what you are talking about.

    Most cloud enabled security platforms can already be used to spy, as they can grab any file they want to analyze in their cloud.

    It requires no update to spy. Or, with admin privileges, to disable any system
     
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  15. viscountalpha

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    Usually you have to be pissing off the wrong kind of people or starting some shit for them to come after you.
     
  16. captaindiptoad

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    "ties"

    what do you consider a "tie"

    because some people consider "ties" as literally anything ever that makes you interact with a foreign entity.

    Let's start the list for you,

    any computing device ever
    half of the materials used to build the house and business you work at
    every car on the fucking road

    CONGRATULATIONS YOU COMMUNIST FASCIST NAZI SOCIALIST CAPITALIST JEW LOVING FREE TIBETTING REFUGE SYMPATHIZING ALT LEFT/RIGHT SWEAT-SHOP LABOR SUPPORTING TYRANT!!!!111111!!!!!! REEEEEE!!!

    My point is throwing out accusations like you are what makes this world shit. go put your tinfoil hat on and get off the internet.
     
  17. IdiotInCharge

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    It bears repeating: even if Kaspersky is telling the truth today, nothing is stopping the FSB from walking in and taking control. You know, without anyone's knowledge.

    And remember that this is for federal agencies. The fear of a single, coordinated attack that has catastrophic effects is just as much of a problem as everyday spying.
     
  18. TwistedAegis

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    I know the in thing now is to say we're just as bad as Russia and stuff, but...just look at how quickly Putin steps in to control a company or industry when they'd like.

    Russia very clearly understands their position; they're not going to compete in a conventional war with the west. However, being able to destabilize just enough with plausible deniability is the perfect strategy for them. It would be idiocy to have their software on critical government systems.
     
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  19. mullet

    mullet [H]ard|Gawd

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    You guys should watch the newz more, everything Russian is bad.
     
  20. darckhart

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    well when you have an uneducated public/media, and a company with a russian name, and hq in russia, and russia is on your not friends list currently, it's just too easy to destroy a reputation (and business) with no evidence.
     
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    Yeahhhhhh, so I take it you're OK with the US using Russian security software for its confidential data? I think you might need to slowly back away from the keyboard.
     
  22. Jim Kim

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    We trusted Kaspersky last month, the month before that and for years before that.
    Eugene's employment history is well known, who he worked for has never been a secret.
    Why all of a sudden is this an issue, me thinks the dotus is trying to obfuscate his well documented ties with mother Russia.
     
  23. michalrz

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    I have a Q. Political discussion is a no-no. How do we discern between what's going on right here from political?
     
  24. umeng2002

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    The NSA, FBI, CIA, etc. do the same thing... backdoor popular software and OSs; and they justify it because they're "fighting" for America. When "the other guys" do it, it's then deemed immoral.
     
  25. TwistedAegis

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    While on the one hand it's hypocritical, welcome to the real world? I'm pretty damn left wing, but there are countries and people out there, like Putin, objectively worse than the people in their country.

    Or we can just all be nihilists.

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  26. GreenOrbs

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    And by no evidence we don't mean the fact that Kaspersky employees have accompanied Russian intelligence agents on raids.

    Yes, those nice former KBG guys running Kapsersky and banging down doors with the FSB couldn't possibly have any ties to the Russian government. Oh, and the Russian government had no reason to arrest one of them for treason for revealing state secrets since they had nothing to do with Russian state secrets in the first place. Nothing to see here, move on. /s

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ab-has-been-working-with-russian-intelligence

    EDIT: I'm sure our government does basically the same thing with our tech companies cooperating and installing backdoors for our spying. I actually am using Kaspersky on one of my personal computers (purchased for basically free after rebate). I've got no problem with that. That said, I think it makes sense for the federal government not to use it.
     
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  27. TwistedAegis

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    But what's your point? Is Russia some benevolent entity that would never take advantage of having software on US government systems? That they have our best interests in mind?

    Right, we do shit too, but again, what is the point or action you're trying to impart?
     
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  28. yourgrandma

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    I feel worse about the government using McAfee tbh.
     
  29. Delicieuxz

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    The nature of this topic regarding Kaspersky is that it's based on speculation and conjecture that Russia's government could hypothetically have some activity there... but it's not conjecture or conspiracy or hypothesis that the USA government is doing all the things that are hypothesized about in regards to Russia's government. Therefore, sentiments and expressions of 'Russia is extensively doing these things, but the USA is probably doing them, too,' to be truthful, should be reversed to 'the USA is extensively doing these things, but Russia is probably doing them, too' - just maybe not when it comes to Kaspersky.
     
  30. cyberguyz

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    You guys realize that Kaspersky has already offered the U.S. govt the source code to his products, right? It would be a pretty simple matter to go thru that and find any rear orifices. After all source programming code is not written in Russian :D
     
  31. IdiotInCharge

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    You do realize that anti-virus software is a backdoor, right?

    And that they can deliver a payload at any time, even unwillingly, at Kremlin gunpoint?
     
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    Thank you.

    Source code doesn't show intentions. We already know what ANY security product can do.
     
  33. WhoBeDaPlaya

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    That's the argument of a lifelong virgin ;)

    Meh, it's either comrade Putin or comrade Nadella anyway.
     
  34. Uvaman2

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    You know when another country does stuff like this, it is ridiculed as paranoid, anti-america, repressive, retrograde, divisive, extreme, militaristic, dictatorial, on and on.
    I guess it is all a propaganda game.
    Honestly, it makes sense for the US to close shop, and we should do it in most systems as much as possible.
    It just makes sense, as much as it does for another country to do the same with US products if we are honest.