US Communications Facing Big Changes in 2009

To quote someone.. and I forget who at the moment....

You think health care is expensive... Wait till its free..
 
Stupidity never ceases, eh?

There's a reason you pay for health care, it's called SALARIES.

You wanna pay tax money for each doctor in the US, in a recession no less?

Or wait, maybe lower their payments, and risk more job loses?
 
Not only that, you'd be paying for Emergency room visits.

You'd be paying for operations.

It would probably be cheaper if you have operations and alot of medicine every year, but if you don't, prices would go WAY up.
 
w1retap said:
What's "REALLY" (extra bold italic and underline added for emphasis) disturbing is how many illegal immigrants that would be subsidizing with my tax dollars. How many of those 40 million are illegals?.
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I really don't give a damn how many are illegals. We have plenty of poor WHITE and BLACK Americans who need health care. So if some illegal Brown and Yellow folks get some health care, then that's the price we have to pay.

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And the government's job is to protect it's citizens from enemies both domestic and foreign, not provide government sponsored health care. We have the right to life and liberty, but the pursuit of happiness. You have to earn your shit every step of the way, not have it handed to you at the expense of someone else's tax dollars which ends up being all of our tax dollars. Sure, give up 50% or more of your income, because that's what it would cost in government level income tax.
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Helath care is hapiness? That is one of the screwiest ideas I have heard in quite a while. And if you're going to start trotting out the old saws, then we're supposed to avoid "foreign entaglements" aren't we? So if close all those overseas military bases that'll save quite a few billions won't it?

And you avoided the point that we are ALREADY paying for these people's health care, it's just they're getting it in an ER somewhere, which is why ERs are overwhelmed in many areas.
 
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I'm one of those no insurance people. Through the plan my job offers, my wife and I can get coverage for only $850 a month. Being a 24 year old non smoker non fat person... I choose to pass on that bargain.

I would like to note that my area does have sliding scale health care at a school / hospital. I used it after spending 2k on meds and doctors visits for staph. Doctor there went hmm... thats not staph! fetched some instructors and a text book. just some harmless autoimmune flub that went away in a week.
 
the_dealer said:
Free health care is available everywhere already in the US, and everyone (mostly illegals) are already taking advantage. Its called the ER. The television is not a place to get news from. That is all.
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Because emergencies are the only time people need healthcare.

Idiot.
 
The rough breakdown of the 47 Million without insurance is:
9.5 million Illegal Immigrants.
8.3 million who make between $50,000 and $74,999 per year
8.74 million who make more than $75,000 a year
Of the 20 million that are left almost half are only temporarily without insurance, IE job change etc.
Many employers that people love to hate like Walmart and McDonalds offer health insurance that is very cheap. The employees don't take it in large numbers however. That is their choice to make. If I am in my twenties, trying to sell me health insurance is an uphill battle.
 
Jakalwarrior said:
I'm one of those no insurance people. Through the plan my job offers, my wife and I can get coverage for only $850 a month. Being a 24 year old non smoker non fat person... I choose to pass on that bargain.

I would like to note that my area does have sliding scale health care at a school / hospital. I used it after spending 2k on meds and doctors visits for staph. Doctor there went hmm... thats not staph! fetched some instructors and a text book. just some harmless autoimmune flub that went away in a week.
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The strange thing is that in the USA they spend around three times as much of their GBP for healthcare and don't even get it as good as here in Europe. I mean: $850 :eek:. Here you have real good coverage for €150 a month. That's around $210
 
qdemn7 said:
I really don't give a damn how many are illegals. We have plenty of poor WHITE and BLACK Americans who need health care. So if some illegal Brown and Yellow folks get some health care, then that's the price we have to pay.

Helath care is hapiness? That is one of the screwiest ideas I have heard in quite a while. And if you're going to start trotting out the old saws, then we're supposed to avoid "foreign entaglements" aren't we? So if close all those overseas military bases that'll save quite a few billions won't it?

And you avoided the point that we are ALREADY paying for these people's health care, it's just they're getting it in an ER somewhere, which is why ERs are overwhelmed in many areas.
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People like me give a damn, because the illegal immigrants are literally bankrupting border states, and costing the rest of the country's tax payers billions of dollars EXTRA per year. Just look at the situation California and Texas hospitals are in, and what their state budgets/deficits look like. And you don't need to make it a racial issue, because it is not. A person illegally in this country is ILLEGAL and my tax dollars shouldn't go to prop them up. I already prop up enough lazy ass people on welfare. I pay out hundreds of dollars per month out of my paycheck into programs I'll never see a dime from.

Health care IS a service that someone provides for you. It cannot be an inalienable right. In case you didn't notice, the US government over the past 20 years just tried to make loans and housing a "right" by forcing banks to hand out loans to everyone with a heartbeat.. that turned out awesome. Go ahead and move to another country if you want your government run health care. Everyone elses is working out so great for them, they come to us for our services and doctors, rofl. The founding fathers created the US to escape socialism and high taxes, not have it morph into a Euro-socialist country because some bureaucrat or activist judge makes rulings or laws that are in direct conflict with the Constitution. We've seen enough of that already in recent history.

You don't have the RIGHT to healt hcare, you have to opportunity to pursue it. The second we start giving tangible good and services as inalienable rights is the day we turn into a marxist principled society. That would indicate equal goods and services to all citizens regardless of social and economic status at the expense of others. From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. That isn't the motto of the United States of America.
 
Just answer why it is that in the US people pay three times more for worse healthcare then in the EU.
 
w1retap said:
If that's your argument, there already are laws for that. What additional laws are you wanting legislated?
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Net neutrality needs to be permanent, and any way you look at it, it will be a form of government intervention.
 
w1retap said:
the US government over the past 20 years just tried to make loans and housing a "right" by forcing banks to hand out loans to everyone with a heartbeat.. that turned out awesome.
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Not to diverge this since I did bring back the broadband argument, but your view of how the loans worked is quite skewed, yeah the government did setup a system so anyone could get loans, however it was the banks themselves that in the end held the right to deny someone, THEY got greedy, THEY took the lead to use that debt as if it was real money for collateral for other loans that inevitably collapsed everything, the banks are to blame for the financial crisis because they gave variable rate loans to people who could barely make payments when the rates were extremely low. I would not but that much blame on the government for the financial sector's collapse.
 
jcvjcvjcvjcv said:
Just answer why it is that in the US people pay three times more for worse healthcare then in the EU.
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Why do we have people making international flights to come to our hospitals and special treatment centers if their services over there are so much better? Oh, that's right, because their government can tell it's citizens that they aren't eligible for treatment due to their age, or they may have to wait months/years while the queue goes down for their spot in line. Go ahead and move there, or better yet talk to people who live there and actually have to use their wonderful medical system. It isn't better than the US system.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Not to diverge this since I did bring back the broadband argument, but your view of how the loans worked is quite skewed, yeah the government did setup a system so anyone could get loans, however it was the banks themselves that in the end held the right to deny someone, THEY got greedy, THEY took the lead to use that debt as if it was real money for collateral for other loans that inevitably collapsed everything, the banks are to blame for the financial crisis because they gave variable rate loans to people who could barely make payments when the rates were extremely low. I would not but that much blame on the government for the financial sector's collapse.
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You've never heard of the community reinvestment act I'm guessing. Banks did NOT have the right to deny people.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Net neutrality needs to be permanent, and any way you look at it, it will be a form of government intervention.
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That isn't a very well backed up argument, it's just a statement. If you go that route, that opens up the door for any business to be told how it has to run it's business according to what someone legislates. We lose yet another piece of free market enterprise for some bureaucrat legislating what he deems is right, forcing companies to do something. That's a recipe for disaster if I've read my history books right.
 
I guess that most of the people that don't have health care didn't tell you that they refused to buy it. From 18 to 20 I didn't have health care because I thought at my age I wouldn't need it. I still don't, but now I have the best health care than most of the nation... It's called the military. Yes there are problems out there, but I have my own... and I can handle my problems... on my own. Giving people free health care is like giving money to hobo's. Yes they need it, but do you think they will work to have it. No, that's why they are hobo's. You can point the blame all day, but when it comes down to, the main finger that should be pointed is at themself. If I drank till i ruined my liver, would you like the idea of paying for my mistake?
 
w1retap said:
That isn't a very well backed up argument, it's just a statement. If you go that route, that opens up the door for any business to be told how it has to run it's business according to what someone legislates. We lose yet another piece of free market enterprise for some bureaucrat legislating what he deems is right, forcing companies to do something. That's a recipe for disaster if I've read my history books right.
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So businesses should be able to freely record every phonecall you make, monitor ALL your internet habits so they can selectively sell that information as they see fit, but I know where this argument goes... "if you don't like it leave it, and some other company will get your business" until they all do it because they find out how profitable/nice it can be.

Yes that's an extreme example/argument I know.

My problem with the whole "free market" is that companies were given government money, tax breaks, right of ways to build all their infrastructures, as a result they NEED to be regulated because I don't give a crap what you say those lines are not theirs. The reason I have to stare at an ugly fucking telephone pole out my living room window with 8000 wires going to every house is because the government allowed them to do it. So if you're going to be built up to what you were, which all the phone companies in this country are, then you deserve to be regulated by the government.

This is one reason why Cell phone companies have what is considered by many as "draconian" practices, they originally were excluded from the regulation as POTS was.

But hey if you think the free market would fix everything, then more power to you, I just think the free market will work to squeeze every last penny possible, form monopolies so you have no chance of switching companies, and you'll continue to pay out the ass until you die.
 
w1retap said:
You've never heard of the community reinvestment act I'm guessing. Banks did NOT have the right to deny people.
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Which revision changed that?

The Communit Reinvestment Act was put into place so that people can't be denied due to Race, Religion, Sex, Marital status or Age. *NOT* Income level. Yeah there have been changes to put provisions for low income housing, however banks did not HAVE to give loans to everyone. Yes some have argued that banks were "pressured" but hey were "GREEDY" is more like it, as there is no law that requires a bank to give a loan to ANYONE. However if you want to go on the side that said that the CRA was the fault for the financial crisis that's fine, however don't try to skew the truth by thinking the CRA guaranteed loans to everyone who wanted them
 
sfsuphysics said:
So businesses should be able to freely record every phonecall you make, monitor ALL your internet habits so they can selectively sell that information as they see fit, but I know where this argument goes... "if you don't like it leave it, and some other company will get your business" until they all do it because they find out how profitable/nice it can be.

Yes that's an extreme example/argument I know.

My problem with the whole "free market" is that companies were given government money, tax breaks, right of ways to build all their infrastructures, as a result they NEED to be regulated because I don't give a crap what you say those lines are not theirs. The reason I have to stare at an ugly fucking telephone pole out my living room window with 8000 wires going to every house is because the government allowed them to do it. So if you're going to be built up to what you were, which all the phone companies in this country are, then you deserve to be regulated by the government.

This is one reason why Cell phone companies have what is considered by many as "draconian" practices, they originally were excluded from the regulation as POTS was.

But hey if you think the free market would fix everything, then more power to you, I just think the free market will work to squeeze every last penny possible, form monopolies so you have no chance of switching companies, and you'll continue to pay out the ass until you die.
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We already have consumer protection laws prohibiting such taking advantage. The consumer is in control, not the business. If I don't like what one business is doing, I won't be going back to them.

sfsuphysics said:
Which revision changed that?

The Communit Reinvestment Act was put into place so that people can't be denied due to Race, Religion, Sex, Marital status or Age. *NOT* Income level. Yeah there have been changes to put provisions for low income housing, however banks did not HAVE to give loans to everyone. Yes some have argued that banks were "pressured" but hey were "GREEDY" is more like it, as there is no law that requires a bank to give a loan to ANYONE. However if you want to go on the side that said that the CRA was the fault for the financial crisis that's fine, however don't try to skew the truth by thinking the CRA guaranteed loans to everyone who wanted them
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No, under Clinton's revision, they could not systematically deny loans to anyone, and they had to give out loans in conjunction with the equal opportunity credit laws. If I was a minority or low income earner with zero or shit credit, I could go get a loan for a home even if I could not afford to pay it back, and the bank had to give it. You really need to look into history and stop googling things on the fly.
 
Yanno, you're correct in that I don't know the complete history of the whole subprime/mortgage fiasco that fucked up everything, it's just not a part of my life that I needed to pay attention to. However what information I "googled on the fly" showed that most of the subprime mortgages that failed were through banks that were not regulated by the CRA. (Translation in case you missed it, most of those the nasty shit happened from stuff that was not regulated by the government).
 
Hint: Groups like ACORN made sure those people got the loans. If banks didn't hand out the loans, they could be fined up to $500,000 per instance under federal guidelines. This is why we have literally millions of people who are unable to payback loans and mortgages. There is plenty of foul play to go around, both with banks and gov't.
 
w1retap said:
At least there's a hint of accountability with corporations. There is none with the government. They fuck you and take your money regardless. We've seen plenty of examples of that over the past few decades. Read some history. Take a look at Europe's current health mess. Look at what's going on in this country at this very moment. Those incompetent assholes on capital hill can't even tie their own shoes. I certainly don't want to put my life in their hands.
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Did I just hear you say that corporations are held accountable? By whom? Our Govt does not hold them accountable, leaving the job to people who have to sue en-mass to get anything changed. Perhaps if someones election was on the line depending on if a drug screwed up a few thousand people or not, then things would be different.

The taxes people pay to have universal coverage are nothing compared to becoming poor and filing bankruptcy when they get sick for real with something expensive like cancer.

Europe's healthcare? Who told you it was bad or are you just throwing shit out there? They are doing fine, especially in countries where its not turned into an industry. National hospitals in France, Germany, UK, Sweden are considered TOP of the European hospital choices, and what do they all have in common? They're all national healthcare!

Wow, so you think by putting your life in the hands of a paid-for medical service that its in better hands than a national one? Truth is, individuals with your logic are the ones who end up suing practices and raising everyone's premiums through your ignorance.

w1retap said:
Gimme gimme gimme... me me me. What can the government do for me. I want some cheese. I want a bailout. I want healthcare. Get a life, get out there and buy it yourself. No accountability and laziness is what put us where we are.
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Government letting business roam with no accountability is what pus us where we are, or do you think Greenspan is wrong too? National healthcare is a model with terrific results in every nation it has ever been implemented in. Its only obstacle is us, the US, paying top dollar to doctor hacks and filtering all the zealous for-profit doctors into our nation.

w1retap said:
ah, the Cuba argument, classic. I like the Michael Moore addition too, nice. I suggest you go check out their healthcare program in Cuba. Their "doctors" and "surgeons" can't even pass our basic nursing exams. Their medications are not tested and you could be getting anything. And oh gee, where do some of those actual legit meds come from? Those evil corporations. *shocker* Now wonder the people on that island are literally dying to get off and flock to the US and Mexico and S. America..
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I have checked out the health care program in Cuba, in fact it was designed and constructed with the brightest minds and training from the USSR. And the WHO (World Health Organization) labels Cuba as having the best Healthcare AND Standard of Living out of any South American country, Including all our pro-western friends like Mexico and Columbia. *SHOCKER*

Their medications are have been tested around the world and are produce cheaply in Canada, India, and Germany, who have guidelines of their own and USE THEIR OWN DRUGS, so they're not going to make counterfit shit for sale only outside their country like you're trying to implicate their industry is doing as China does with toys and electronics. I dont know what crack you smoked when you said they were produced by our "evil corporations", they are produced in their own countries in a whole host of nationally monitored labs with accountability to the Govt that can imprison them for mis-labeling or tampering, unlike our system.

On-top of that, our own Pharma companies source-out work to German and Canadian labs, for medicine trucked and sold HERE, but our Govt wont let neither country sell directly to us, because it'd destroy the Pharma business model. (Merck has more of their production facilities in Germany than US). You're a flat-out know-nothing liar sir.

Go back to your Neo-Con cave and lick your wounds from the election.
 
ah, TheRedCommunist strikes again. Go move to Cuba and have your world class health care and prospering legit businesses, ROFL. I'm not even going to start with you. Let me know when you come back to reality and stop living in the diaries of Karl Marx.
 
jcvjcvjcvjcv said:
Just answer why it is that in the US people pay three times more for worse healthcare then in the EU.
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That's why people from the UK come to the US when they have the money for specialized medicine. The USA has the best Medical Technology in the world it just cost a lot. Greed is what screws up most good things in the US. Insurance company's are the DEVIL.
 
If the government is going to provide broadband, I am going to soak up as much bandwidth as I can to make up for all the other crap they use my money for that I never see.
 
And not just that but there's another big thing coming around for deaf people as well.

Snippet from http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/trstendigit.html

Beginning on December 31, 2008, persons with hearing and speech disabilities using Video Relay Service (VRS) or Internet Protocol Relay (IP Relay) – two forms of Internet-based Telecommunications Relay Service (TRS) – will be able to obtain ten-digit telephone numbers. This ten-digit number requirement was adopted by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in conjunction with 911 call handling requirements for VRS and IP-Relay providers.

TRS calls made through the traditional telephone network automatically pass along to the called party signals that help identify the caller’s location. As a result, relay providers will know the caller’s location, and can therefore route the call to the appropriate emergency personnel to respond. This routing is not currently possible with the Internet-based forms of TRS, because calls do not pass along location information. The FCC has now adopted rules to address this situation by requiring VRS and IP Relay providers to obtain location information from relay users obtaining ten-digit telephone numbers. The new rules ensure that VRS and IP Relay users are provided 911 service that is comparable to the 911 service provided to traditional telephone users.

What is Internet-Based TRS?

TRS permits persons with a hearing or a speech disability to access the telephone system to call voice telephone users. For example, a TRS user “calls” a relay provider through a text-based device (for example, a text telephone or TTY) and is connected to a communications assistant (CA) who, in turn, makes a voice telephone call to the person the TRS user wishes to call. The CA then speaks to the called party what the relay user has typed, and types back to the calling party what the called party says. In this way, the CA “relays” the call back and forth between the two parties.

With Internet-based TRS, calls are made via the Internet and an IP-enabled device, rather than the telephone network. The two most commonly used forms of Internet-based TRS are VRS and IP Relay. A third type of Internet-based TRS, IP Captioned Telephone Service (IP CTS), is not subject to the new ten-digit numbering and requirements.

VRS – This Internet-based form of TRS allows persons whose primary language is American Sign Language (ASL) to communicate with the CA in ASL using video conferencing equipment and a broadband Internet connection. The CA speaks what is signed to the called party, and signs the called party’s response back to the caller. For more information about VRS visit: www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/videorelay.html.

IP Relay – IP Relay allows a person to communicate in text using an IP-enabled device (such as a personal computer) and the Internet, rather than a TTY and the public switched telephone network. For more information about IP Relay visit: www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/iprelay.html.

IP CTS – IP CTS allows a person who can speak and who has some residual hearing to simultaneously listen to what is said over the telephone and read captions of what the other person is saying. An Internet connection carries the captions between the relay provider and the user. For more information about IP CTS visit: www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/ipcaptioned.html.

Benefits of Ten-Digit Numbers

Beginning December 31, 2008, VRS and IP Relay users will be able to obtain ten-digit telephone numbers by registering with a VRS or IP Relay provider (their “default” provider). With a ten-digit number, VRS and IP Relay users will be able to:

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make an emergency call through their preferred VRS or IP Relay provider and have the call, along with the ten-digit number and location information, automatically route to the appropriate public safety answering point, or “911 call center”, so that emergency personnel they can be dispatched.
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receive calls from voice telephone users calling the ten-digit number assigned to the VRS or IP Relay user. (The caller does not need to know the VRS or IP Relay user’s IP address to make the call.)
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make a call directly to, or receive a call directly from, another person using VRS or IP Relay equipment by dialing a ten-digit number.

VRS or IP Relay users will be able to change default relay providers at any time, but still keep the same telephone number. Providers cannot impose any restrictions or conditions when users request that their number be ported to a new default provider. For more information on local number portability, see the FCC’s consumer fact sheet at www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/numbport.html. In addition, consumers can place a call through any provider (such as a provider other than the default provider) by clicking on the URL or address of the other provider. Hearing callers may also place a call with another provider (other than the default provider) by dialing the 800 number of the provider they wish to handle their call.

New Emergency Call Handling Procedures

The FCC’s new rules require VRS and IP Relay providers to:

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obtain from their users the physical location at which the service will first be used when the users register for ten-digit numbers;
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give users an easy way to update their location information if it changes, without cost or additional equipment;
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route all emergency calls to the appropriate 911 call center and transmit the call-back number and registered location of the caller, the name of the VRS or IP Relay provider, and the identification number of the VRS or IP Relay provider’s CA;
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publish a summary of these new procedures, emphasizing the need to keep location information updated, on their Web sites and in any promotional materials addressing emergency call handling; and
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obtain and keep records of affirmative acknowledgement from their registered users that they have received and understood the provider’s summary.

Interim Emergency Call Handling Procedures

Until these new procedures take effect on December 31, 2008, the FCC has adopted interim procedures that require all Internet-based TRS providers, including IP CTS providers, at a minimum, to automatically and immediately transfer an emergency call to the appropriate 911 call center or assure that appropriate personnel are notified of the emergency. Note: For IP CTS, the interim procedures will continue until outstanding technical and regulatory issues are resolved. IP CTS providers are not required to provide ten-digit numbers or automatically pass location information to emergency personnel.

The interim procedures require Internet-based TRS providers to:

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prioritize incoming emergency calls over non-emergency calls;
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request the caller’s name and location at the beginning of the emergency call process for Internet-based TRS callers to update their location information;
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deliver to emergency personnel at the beginning of the outbound link of the call, at a minimum, the name of the Internet-based TRS user and location of the emergency, the name of the provider, the CA’s callback and identification numbers; and
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reestablish contact between the caller and the emergency personnel or other authority if either or both legs of the call are disconnected.

Finally, until December 31, 2008, an Internet-based TRS provider must include an advisory on its Web site or in any promotional materials explaining any circumstances in which handling of Internet-based TRS emergency calls may be limited compared to handling of traditional voice service emergency calls.

Emergency Calling Tips for VRS and IP Relay Users

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Make sure you are familiar with your provider’s procedures for updating your registered physical location, and promptly update the information if it changes.
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Know any limitations of your service, and have a plan for making emergency calls in the event of a power or Internet outage. You may want to keep a TTY and a traditional phone line, or install a backup power supply. Dialing 911 from a TTY or traditional phone remains the most reliable and fastest method of reaching emergency personnel.
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Inform children, babysitters, and visitors about using your TRS service and the limitations, if any, on placing emergency calls.

Filing a Complaint with the FCC

If you have a problem completing a 911 call using an Internet-based TRS provider, notify the provider. You can also file a complaint with the FCC. There is no charge for filing a complaint. The easiest way to file your complaint is to go to the FCC’s on-line complaint forms found on the FCC Web site at esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm. You will be asked a series of questions that will take you to the correct form and section of the form for providing all of the information the FCC needs to process your complaint. You can also file your complaint with the FCC’s Consumer Center by emailing [email protected]; calling 1-888-CALL-FCC (1-888-225-5322) voice or 1-888-TELL-FCC (1-888-835-5322) TTY; faxing 1-866-418-0232; or writing to:

Federal Communications Commission
Consumer & Governmental Affairs Bureau
Consumer Inquiries and Complaints Division
445 12th Street, SW
Washington, DC 20554.

What to Include in Your Complaint

The best way to provide all the information the FCC needs to process your complaint is to complete fully the on-line complaint form. If you do not use the on-line complaint form, your complaint, at a minimum, should indicate:

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your name, address, email address, and phone number where you can be reached;
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whether you are filing a complaint on behalf of another party, and if so, the party’s name, address, email address, day time phone number, and your relationship to the party;
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preferred format or method of response (letter, fax, voice phone call, email, TRS, TTY, ASCII text, audio recording, or Braille);
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that your complaint is about TRS;
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the name, address, and telephone number (if known) of the company or companies involved with your complaint; and
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a brief description of your complaint and the resolution you are seeking, and a full description of the equipment or service you are complaining about, including date of purchase, use, or attempt to use.

For More Information

For more information about TRS, VRS, IP Relay, or IP CTS, or to learn more about FCC programs to promote access to telecommunications services for people with disabilities, visit the FCC’s Disability Rights Office Web site at www.fcc.gov/cgb/dro. For information about other telecommunications issues, visit the FCC’s Consumer & Governmental Affairs Bureau Web site at www.fcc.gov/cgb, or contact the FCC’s Consumer Center using the information provided for filing a complaint.



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w1retap said:
ah, TheRedCommunist strikes again. Go move to Cuba and have your world class health care and prospering legit businesses, ROFL. I'm not even going to start with you. Let me know when you come back to reality and stop living in the diaries of Karl Marx.
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I accept your surrender.
 
rofl, this isn't an internet war with winners and losers. ahaha, pathetic. No matter what I post, you'll just spew the exact same vitriol over and over again. We both know it leads nowhere but circles.
 
wiretap, we tried your method for 8 years


IT DID NOT WORK

lets not stay the course, eh?
 
My method has not been tried. We've had no government transparency, we've had very little accountability when it came to consumer abuses, we've let all the money for fiber disappear into telco's hands without tracking how those taxpayer dollars were spent, we still have the same people in congress that get payoffs in the millions and give billions in earmarks, the oversight committees are not doing their jobs, etc.
 
mullet said:
That's why people from the UK come to the US when they have the money for specialized medicine. The USA has the best Medical Technology in the world it just cost a lot. Greed is what screws up most good things in the US. Insurance company's are the DEVIL.
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Hospitals are the devil too when they know they can slam insurance companies with shit that makes health care costs for everyone go astronomically high. I've already mentioned the $30,000 birth even though there were no complications, epidurals are that much? man hours of everyone involved? Oh wait... the actual hospital stay is what costs a lot.. hmmm wait I seem to recall charges ranging in the thousands simply because the baby was in a crib (not any special fucking hyper-sensitive monitoring equipment) in the same fucking room as the mom who was already being charged thousands for staying the night. There's a reason why people would rather spend the night in a luxury hotel room instead of a hospital room. Anyone ever remember those tiny boxes of tissue? Used to be charged $20+ for a box of rough fucking tissues (and not a big box either)... aspirin? $5 a pill.

Nah the whole fucking system is screwed up, hospitals charge these costs because they know the insurance companies will pay it, and then it all gets moved onto the consumer who pays the insurance premiums... unless you're unlucky and the insurance doesn't accept it then you're in a bureaucratic limbo.


PS.. I don't give a fuck what delusional world you live in w1retap, CRA does not guarantee loans to anyone.
 
sfsuphysics said:
CRA does not guarantee loans to anyone.
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It doesn't I've read the whole thing. All it says is that if someone meets the same income / credit level for said loan you have to give it to them. It does not say anything like you must give loans to poor people.
 
w1retap said:
ah, TheRedCommunist strikes again. Go move to Cuba and have your world class health care and prospering legit businesses, ROFL. I'm not even going to start with you. Let me know when you come back to reality and stop living in the diaries of Karl Marx.
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I thought I was the one name calling.

Can you act civilized in any topic w1retap?
 
w1retap said:
That isn't a very well backed up argument, it's just a statement. If you go that route, that opens up the door for any business to be told how it has to run it's business according to what someone legislates. We lose yet another piece of free market enterprise for some bureaucrat legislating what he deems is right, forcing companies to do something. That's a recipe for disaster if I've read my history books right.
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There's also laws like murder and stuff.

Considering the way you post, I'm sure you and whoever you work for would be in favor of corporations not having to have any laws.
 
Lets get another analogy going. So if the government had not forced the companies to follow the safety rules set by O.S.H.A., would those companies have started focusing on safety? Just like the case here. These standards are put into place because the companies are content and will keep making money with what they have. Like the saying goes, if you have a good thing, why change it? Technology is the key to a great country now, and if you look at China, you will see how much power they have gained just on technology alone. What would you rather have, 1mb connection like the average in the U.S., or the 40gb connection like in Sweden. An Ak47 or a Tank? I don't see why you guys are so scared. I know if a lot of other people and I keep getting screwed over and there was nothing we could do about it, I would hope the government would step in. As far as government running the businesses, I doubt it. The government should help protect people from companies like comcast, not let them push us around.
 
To all those people saying government-run healthcare will lead to a Marxist regime: the police is socialized, the firebrigade is....

Perhaps you should worry more about President's breaking their oath of "protecting the constitution" and pushing legislation like the Patriot Act while removing Habeus Corpus. Because that looks a lot like a dictatorship ;)

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Why do we have people making international flights to come to our hospitals and special treatment centers if their services over there are so much better? Oh, that's right, because their government can tell it's citizens that they aren't eligible for treatment due to their age, or they may have to wait months/years while the queue goes down for their spot in line. Go ahead and move there, or better yet talk to people who live there and actually have to use their wonderful medical system. It isn't better than the US system.
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I do live in Europe ;)

For some operations there is queu yes. But even then we can go to Spain, Belgium or Germany, all insured, even the flighttickets ;)
 
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