Ubuntu Smartphones Coming This Year

pelo said:
Everyone's got their own closed ecosystem and it's incredibly annoying, so this would be a breath of fresh air. And, yep, we're all inching closer towards this becoming a reality:

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For a vast majority of people, a cell phone bought in 2014 is going to be enough for essentially everything they use a PC for. Desktops will still exist for some folks, but it's far more convenient to carry around a single device that can store everything you've got (cloud or local) and be all things to (nearly) all people. It's like Batman's utility belt except with pornography.
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Celio had the Redfly device for this Windows Mobile a few years ago - had one, worked great - they promised a way to use it with Android, but it never came out
 
Skripka said:
Steve, after some reading it looks very much like the phones are NOT "running Ubuntu" as an OS...it looks very much like they just created yet another GUI launcher that runs on top of Android....in fact "Ubuntu for phones" requires Android 2.3+ to run on top of. So what we have here is yet another launcher on the Play Store with a few included extra libraries.
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Thats not the case. That Cnet article is shit.

It is a linux OS on top of the android kernel without the java virtual machine.

which is built around the existing Android kernel and drivers, but doesn't use a Java Virtual Machine and promises to use "the full power of the phone." Supporting both ARM and x86 processors, the Ubuntu phone OS will be compatible enough to let Android phone makers run it on their devices with minimal adaptation.
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Android kernel and drivers, no android OS or java virtual machine.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/2/3827922/ubuntu-phone-os-announcement
 
Disposed said:
Thats not the case. That Cnet article is shit.

It is a linux OS on top of the android kernel without the java virtual machine.



Android kernel and drivers, no android OS or java virtual machine.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/2/3827922/ubuntu-phone-os-announcement
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Call me a nit-picker...but if they're not using the Ubuntu kernel then calling it "Ubuntu" is name only. Ubuntu even lies themselves saying on their official announcement that "Ubuntu and Android share the same kernel"...which is factually false as far as I know. Unless the Ubuntu kernel includes the Android code that Torvalds and the LKML finally stripped out in frustration a year or two ago due to there being no drivers supplied to use it.
 
The OS is using Ubuntu for ARM at it's core with Androids BSP drivers. It doesn't use Dalvik or Androids kernel; they don't share the same kernel at all. I've yet to see where Shuttleworth said they share the same kernel in the industry proposition video.
 
nOrVow said:
The OS is using Ubuntu for ARM at it's core with Androids BSP drivers. It doesn't use Dalvik or Androids kernel; they don't share the same kernel at all. I've yet to see where Shuttleworth said they share the same kernel in the industry proposition video.
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From the horse's mouth:

Ubuntu.com said:
Technical specifications

Ubuntu for Android requires minimal custom hardware enablement, allowing fast and cost-efficient core integration. It requires a core based on Android 2.3 (Gingerbread) or any subsequent version.

Ubuntu and Android share the same kernel. When docked, the Ubuntu OS boots and runs concurrently with Android. This allows both mobile and desktop functionality to co-exist in different runtimes.
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Bottom of the page here: http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android/features-and-specs
 
It's built upon the Android kernel just like Android is built upon the Linux kernel (it's a modified version of the Linux kernel). When you can use a vast portion of the kernel (hardware compatibility, for one) then it makes sense to use a good portion of the good stuff. If Ubuntu were to make a kernel from the ground up with no influence from Android's own kernel it would still end up looking a lot like Android's due to the devices being identical.

You don't go around kicking and screaming because Android should build its own kernel from the ground up, do you? One of the main benefits of Linux is that you can avoid that.
 
Skripka, that's another product/feature you're talking about. That's Ubuntu for Android, not Ubuntu for phones. Ubuntu for Android is a way to use the Ubuntu desktop interface/OS by docking your Android phone. They're two completely different things you're putting together
 
JoeUser said:
I've got terabytes of data. I care about it all. Damn Skribbel...get a little less [H] why don't you!!! :rolleyes:
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Whatever! I'm just saying that I'd love to replace a laptop with a pocket-sized device that becomes a computer when I need it and is otherwise is a nice wifi micro tablet. It would not at all replace my hugely powerful gaming computer and don't plan on getting rid of that. This would be like a laptop/MP3 player/Palm Tungsten/camera/etc.

TheWeazmeister said:
Seriously, Skribbels is starting oftforum and oftocp...
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Stop making fun of my oftRomance and oftCorePrawns where people only sort of fall in love and sort of take off their socks. :p

JoeUser said:
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Joe, you seem like you could use a cloud or two:
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Skripka said:
Call me a nit-picker...but if they're not using the Ubuntu kernel then calling it "Ubuntu" is name only. Ubuntu even lies themselves saying on their official announcement that "Ubuntu and Android share the same kernel"...which is factually false as far as I know. Unless the Ubuntu kernel includes the Android code that Torvalds and the LKML finally stripped out in frustration a year or two ago due to there being no drivers supplied to use it.
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Both Android and Ubuntu use a largely unmodified Linux kernel, and the kernel really isn't that important. All the interesting bits are in userland.

unholythree said:
It's no Meego, but it might be the least douchy thing Shuttleworth has ever done. This locked down hardware shit has gone far enough. I want root on all my computers, that and drivers.
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Nexus devices are the only way you're going to get that for the foreseeable future. Ubuntu wants to partner with hardware manufacturers, and so far they haven't released any source or anything for their various mobile projects like Ubuntu for Android.
 
Skripka said:
Call me a nit-picker...but if they're not using the Ubuntu kernel then calling it "Ubuntu" is name only. Ubuntu even lies themselves saying on their official announcement that "Ubuntu and Android share the same kernel"...which is factually false as far as I know. Unless the Ubuntu kernel includes the Android code that Torvalds and the LKML finally stripped out in frustration a year or two ago due to there being no drivers supplied to use it.
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Its not really nitpicking it just makes no sense at all. Android kernel = modified linux kernel. The Ubuntu kernel is just at its core the same kernel Google started with modified for Android.

And like nOrVow pointed out that was NOT for ubuntu that was for the webtop like ubuntu OS for android. And yes those 2 use the same kernel.
 
pelo said:
It's refreshing to hear that from someone who actually hosts their own web server, doesn't use any Google service, doesn't use Bing or many Microsoft services, avoids popular web browsers, and avoids Amazon like the plague.

Oh? What's that? You mean you're only blaming Ubuntu yet still using all of the above?

Well then...
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Sorry friend, you missed out. I criticize many of the above when they act in privacy-unfriendly ways as well, often right here on these news posts. Offering a strawman that "because others do it, its all right" offers nothing constructive.

Ubuntu's choices in 12.10 to by default set searches to encompass both local and Internet results, embed their Amazon affiliate ID on your searches, parse lots of data through their own personal servers with the justification "Hey, we have root. You trust us already", and other issues involving collection of user data, advertising/spyware etc... is just plain unacceptable and unethical in and of itself. It doesn't matter what anyone else does; in fact it is worse for this to happen perpetrated by Linux and FOSS which customarily puts privacy, security, and user experience paramount, especially as we're at a time when many users are switching to Linux and other FOSS specifically because they want to avoid the privacy invasions. All they had to do was make these options opt-in and give users an honest explanation, but they chose to go the sneaky, underhanded route for more profit. Unacceptable for Ubuntu, as it is when Google et al do it.

All deserve to be shamed into changing their ways or face users rejecting their offerings.
 
Xaeos said:
Sorry friend, you missed out. I criticize many of the above when they act in privacy-unfriendly ways as well, often right here on these news posts. Offering a strawman that "because others do it, its all right" offers nothing constructive.
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You can criticize them all you'd like but if you still use their services then clearly you don't really care enough to stop, and as far as they're concerned they're still making money off of you so they don't care.

Xaeos said:
All deserve to be shamed into changing their ways or face users rejecting their offerings.
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Money makes the world go round. Most users will complain about things like the iPhone's tracking system but then go out in droves and buy iPhones. Apple's thinking, "We're sorry, *wink*," all the way to the bank.

FOSS and Linux has to show that it can make money or it will never ever be an alternative to MS or Apple. Google took Linux and made it profitable by their ad system and app store. Red Hat is able to make it profitable by offering by bundling services like support. Ubuntu can't charge for its OS and they still need to make money, but it doesn't fall out of the sky and donations by the 3-4 people using Linux aren't going to get it done. If you've got an alternative then I'm sure they'd love to hear it, but if all you're going to do is criticize and still use competing products and services for the same offense you're criticizing them for then you're being hypocritical.

If you don't like it, don't use it. If you're going to whine and still use it then clearly they're doing enough to keep you.
 
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