U.S. Suspects Chinese of Lasing Military Aircraft in Africa

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The U.S. government has filed a formal protest with the Chinese government after several aircraft have been lased at a military outpost on the Horn of Africa. There have been up to 10 incidents of lasing during flight operations and two U.S. serviceman were slightly injured by military grade lasers. The FAA has issued a Notice to Airman flying in the area and the military is keeping an eye (no pun intended) on the situation.

Over the last couple of weeks, in at least two and perhaps as many as 10 incidents, U.S. aircraft landing at the base were hit by laser beams. The Federal Aviation Administration has issued a Notice to Airmen on the danger, telling aircrews to “use caution for unauthorized laser activity.” U.S. officials said the beam is coming from a military grade laser, and that they are confident the Chinese are behind the incidents.
 
Military grade laser? If a pen laser can screw a pilot s vision, can't imagine what a military grade laser is doing ?
 
A hellfire or tomahawk missile fired at the location of each military grade laser the moment one appears might discourage future lasering.


I agree, by any definition you want to consider, use of a blinding device could be considered an Act of War, if you could localize the location of the Laser, a Hellfire would be an appropriate response.

This is also a violation of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, signed by both the US and China prohibiting the use of such weapons.
 
A hellfire or tomahawk missile fired at the location of each military grade laser the moment one appears might discourage future lasering.
Great idea until they get smart and they'll start doing it from schools/malls and government buildings.
 
Great idea until they get smart and they'll start doing it from schools/malls and government buildings.

That's an entirely different kettle of fish, if they escalate to doing that, then we have a major problem. you can still send a team in an apprehend whoever is doing it, police capture idiots all the time lasing helicopters, and obviously if we had already fired shots in retaliation we would be at war with China, so a random laser is going to be least of our problems.
 
Military grade laser? If a pen laser can screw a pilot s vision, can't imagine what a military grade laser is doing ?
To be honest it's all talk lol.
There is no difference between a military grade laser and a high end laser show laser, the industries actually intertwine. Some lasers can be used for refinement/enrichment for nuclear bomb production and were in past covered by ITAR. We still can't send some lasers to China lol.

But there are military blinding/designator lasers, using large diameter beams which is what they may be referring to. Basically means a proper set of optics which your average joe or laser show jockey doesn't have.
 
Two way mirrors work by polar alignment to which side has the light coming from it. Tune then to common laser frequencies.
 
A hellfire or tomahawk missile fired at the location of each military grade laser the moment one appears might discourage future lasering.

What are you going to do after they shut it off?

While I admire the idea, we used to have missiles that would home in on radar installations, even after they turned them off by using their heat signatures. Unfortunately most military grade lasers don't have this trait.
 
It probably is fucking their eyes up when they wear those NVG's for night flying then this laser pierces your brain. I've worn those NVG's that the pilots use once, you literally can see everything in the dark, its awesome.
 
To be honest it's all talk lol.
There is no difference between a military grade laser and a high end laser show laser, the industries actually intertwine. Some lasers can be used for refinement/enrichment for nuclear bomb production and were in past covered by ITAR. We still can't send some lasers to China lol.

But there are military blinding/designator lasers, using large diameter beams which is what they may be referring to. Basically means a proper set of optics which your average joe or laser show jockey doesn't have.

A purpose built military laser designed to blind, would be in a stabilized mount and range limited only by line of sight as to what you could hit with it. you could pump up the output and spread the beam a bit to hit aircraft if you wanted it to still be handheld and get decent range.

We had a guy when I was stationed in Germany back in the 80's get blinded by a laser designator, back then lasers were treated very casually, the laser designator was an IR laser for marking targets for Hellfire missiles and Copperhead artillery rounds, (and probably Paveway bombs, to.) guy tossed the designator on top of his bunk and it discharged, blinding his roommate standing on the other side of the bunk. Leadership jumped all over that.
 
To be honest it's all talk lol.
There is no difference between a military grade laser and a high end laser show laser, the industries actually intertwine. Some lasers can be used for refinement/enrichment for nuclear bomb production and were in past covered by ITAR. We still can't send some lasers to China lol.

But there are military blinding/designator lasers, using large diameter beams which is what they may be referring to. Basically means a proper set of optics which your average joe or laser show jockey doesn't have.

Somewhat true. It's all based on power output

The question is why would the Chinese be doing this? To test deterrents without directly implicating them?
 
What are you going to do after they shut it off?

While I admire the idea, we used to have missiles that would home in on radar installations, even after they turned them off by using their heat signatures. Unfortunately most military grade lasers don't have this trait.

If you have an asset in the area that's able to launch a Hellfire, he doesn't need the laser to be active to hit the location once it's spotted. he's already lasing the target himself and observing it.
 
A purpose built military laser designed to blind, would be in a stabilized mount and range limited only by line of sight as to what you could hit with it. you could pump up the output and spread the beam a bit to hit aircraft if you wanted it to still be handheld and get decent range.

We had a guy when I was stationed in Germany back in the 80's get blinded by a laser designator, back then lasers were treated very casually, the laser designator was an IR laser for marking targets for Hellfire missiles and Copperhead artillery rounds, (and probably Paveway bombs, to.) guy tossed the designator on top of his bunk and it discharged, blinding his roommate standing on the other side of the bunk. Leadership jumped all over that.

It blinded him? Are you sure it didn't cook his eye instead? We can't see IR so it's hard to blind someone with a range we can't see in the first place.

Initial hits will blind you in the general spectrum of the frequency in question, but will quickly elevate to broad spectrum eye damage as the cones /rods in your eyes break apart.
 
If you have an asset in the area that's able to launch a Hellfire, he doesn't need the laser to be active to hit the location once it's spotted. he's already lasing the target himself and observing it.

Removing an asset undetected after it's off wouldn't be that hard. The missile isn't that smart.
 
Somewhat true. It's all based on power output

The question is why would the Chinese be doing this? To test deterrents without directly implicating them?
Power is nothing without beam quality, low divergence, appropriate mode and energy on target etc.
Because Africa is the next Syria as it winds down over there. Same mercs in Syria also fought in Africa, so plenty going on there most of us don't know about, some which warrants harassment and posturing, like laser attacks.
 
It blinded him? Are you sure it didn't cook his eye instead? We can't see IR so it's hard to blind someone with a range we can't see in the first place.

Initial hits will blind you in the general spectrum of the frequency in question, but will quickly elevate to broad spectrum eye damage as the cones /rods in your eyes break apart.

Single pulse can do it, some of the early designators were ruby lasers and could punch a hole through a sheet of thin steel if focused.. more than enough to fuck multiple parts of your eye. May be working in near future with something that does 150MHz 1.2ns 2-4kW peak lol
 
Removing an asset undetected after it's off wouldn't be that hard. The missile isn't that smart.


The target location is being actively observed by the launching aircraft. it uses a laser designator to( continuously) mark the target, and can hit moving vehicles if needed. If you were able to observe the laser in use, you can hit the location. Flight time for a Hellfire from 5 kilometers out is only about 1 minute,
 
The target location is being actively observed by the launching aircraft. it uses a laser designator to( continuously) mark the target, and can hit moving vehicles if needed. If you were able to observe the laser in use, you can hit the location. Flight time for a Hellfire from 5 kilometers out is only about 1 minute,

I will grant you hellfires can have active target acquisition. For a while I was thinking more like mavericks with IR/Radar heads.

So lets go with active target painting by a crewman:

So the enemy blinds a pilot in 2 seconds. They then switch off the laser. Now if somehow you managed to locate that laser source (questionable unless you have equipment to do so) you have to actively track that site while dealing with a blinded pilot and hope the target hasn't left the scene already.

You fire, you move, lest you become a target. Best countermeasure in my opinion is to develop surfaces that automatically repel laser light frequencies until effective counter measure hardware can be developed.
 
They need to start calling it "lasering" cause wtf is "lasing"? Fucking confusing.

Reminds me of the game Wildlands (Tom Clancy's) where they have a gun attachment called "ATPIAL Laser." Of course the "L" in "ATPIAL" stands for LASER which in itself is an acronym, so not only are they being redundant but are nesting acronyms. It's out of control I tell yah!
 
they expect the chinese.. to fully investigate this issue.. happening in an african country??

I get china also has a base in that country.. but really.. lets blame the chinese
 

Yes. As you can see, the L at the end stands for laser (which again is derived from an acronym) so there's no need to call it an ATPIAL Laser Sight, yet Wildlands does. Technically ATPIAL itself is fine because the "laser" there refers not to the acronym but the more specific device known as a laser, but then that makes the Wildlands listing even MORE wrong.

But no sharks...but there IS a Predator mission in the game that involves lasers.
 
And we know it's the Chinese because we (certain agencies) can access every computer on the planet, while zooming in on the location with an ultra hi resolution video feed 24/7 forever.

However, this has started to occur eerily close to the trade issues we've started up with China, who believes in coincidences? I know that serial killer profiles do not.
 
The question is why would the Chinese be doing this? To test deterrents without directly implicating them?

Who knows?
It could be orders from the top or rogue (or inept) officers acting on their own command.

Like the incident where a Chinese naval ship radar locked onto a Japanese naval ship. (2013)
That one was a near miss.
 
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