U.S. Planes Spy On American Phones

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  1. CreepyUncleGoogle

    CreepyUncleGoogle [H]ardness Supreme

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    FYI - The tinfoil hat is supposed to go over your head to stop mind control lasers and not around your neck to cut off the flow of blood to your brain. :)
     
  2. chaikovski2002

    chaikovski2002 2[H]4U

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    And what is your opinion on the matter? Do you still believe in the phony "war on terror"?
     
  3. lcpiper

    lcpiper [H]ardForum Junkie

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    LOL, really? we have a guy here on the [H] that believes this bullshit conspiracy theory?

    Fuck I am getting a screen shot of this one.

    Arabs living in caves?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks
    Caves in Saudi Arabia?
    [​IMG]

    The cave dwellers;
    Mohamed Atta
    Marwan al-Shehhi
    Ziad Jarrah
    .

    Hani Hanjour
    I don't think these guys lived in caves.
     
  4. chaikovski2002

    chaikovski2002 2[H]4U

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    Did you see my earlier post? Did you get that info from google and wikipedia? Who do you think controls those websites?
     
  5. lcpiper

    lcpiper [H]ardForum Junkie

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    Oh there is nothing phony about the war on terror. More then enough dead to testify to it's reality.
     
  6. lcpiper

    lcpiper [H]ardForum Junkie

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    I am amazed you think of Google as a website to begin with. One clueless dude.
     
  7. lcpiper

    lcpiper [H]ardForum Junkie

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    chaikovski2002 , where are you from for starters? And wherever it is, have you ever been anywhere else?
     
  8. Technikal

    Technikal Gawd

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    Before Edward Snowden you would have said the same thing.
    Turns out even conspiracy theorists were being conservative.
    Now it's all normal.
    What else is the Government lying about for our own good?

    Building 7 Man! :)
     
  9. CreepyUncleGoogle

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    I know right? That picture can't possibly be of a place in Saudi Arabia. Everyone knows there are no cities in the Middle East. Everyone lives in caves and has never even seen fire, let alone electricity or indoor plumbing. It's all just a myth like landing on the Moon (which is made out of cheese and has a guy trapped inside)! The Earth is also flat and if you sail far enough in the Atlantic Ocean from Spain, you'll fall off the edge where you'll end up being accosted by a glow-in-the-dark Bigfoot which is actually only glowing because of swamp gas, but it looks a lot like the aliens that are haunting the Blarney Stone that people are encouraged to kiss so they get government-manufactured nanobots inside them that make them see visions of Elvis.
     
  10. CreepyUncleGoogle

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    Well, most of the leaky stuff is blown way out of proportion by news outlets and taken out of context which the average person doesn't at all bother to follow up on with actual research to understand where, when, and how stuff is being applied. So meh, Snowden didn't really do anything aside from generate page views and drive up ratings to make it more expensive for advertisers to buy slots at certain sites. And, of course, it got all the people who would normally have complained about the government anyway some specific misinformation to flip out about.
     
  11. RaRaMe

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    What would you consider google to be then? I would consider it a search engine, but, when I was in a trivia game at a restaurant/bar not too long ago one of the questions was "what's the number one website in the world" and I told my group it couldn't be google because it's a search engine. Sure enough, the answer was google. I guess you could argue that google.com is a website and google is a search engine? I'm not sure anymore.
     
  12. lcpiper

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    And...the rabbit hole has officially been entered.
     
  14. Technikal

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    but really, you nor anyone on really knows whats really going on.

    The truth is it's probably a grey area somewhere in the middle..like everything.

    But you know it's not like lack or privacy and mass spying will ever decrease now right?
    so that is a problem imo.

    http://globalnews.ca/news/1672362/5-things-to-know-about-facebooks-privacy-update/

    It's just endless
     
  15. lcpiper

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    Technikal, now we are talking. You are right, it's very hard to know just what is going on. But it seems to me the privacy rights groups and the media are fixed on the concept that since they can't know what is or isn't going on, then the only thing they can do is cry as loud as they can all the time and make all the fuss they can to try and hold back the wave.

    But there is a problem with this approach. Just like some people on this forum, and many other places as well, talk like the government is spying on them all the time in ever way possible, there are some in the government who saying why bother, they won't believe us anyway, the public is convinced and can't be swayed. And the crux of this problem is then they look around and go, really, no riots, no great acts of civil disobedience. Loki was right, they do like to kneel.

    Exaggerating the issues are not the solution. Crying wolf isn't helpful. And thinking you can't do anything or that what you think doesn't matter is wrong too. I think you'd agree You can't have a discussion with people if all you are going to do is yell. It helps when you can get your point across without spending all your time just flinging accusations. But this is the approach taken by the media and the privacy groups, just keep throwing out accusations based on misrepresented information.

    The other side just throws up it's hands and says "What's the point?"

    No I come to Facebook and I say so what, they are a service, you don't have to have it, it's not a Social Security Number. I have never had a Facebook Account, doesn't take too many stories about people being fired for shit on their Facebook Page to realized it overs more risk then reward.

    Participation is voluntary, their policy is publicized. You just have to choose.
     
  16. spintroniX

    spintroniX Gawd

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    Perhaps my point was unclear - you seem to have missed it.

    How many times has an agent of the Iraqi/ukranian government come to american soil and killed a U.S. citizen?

    If I have to go to their country to be hurt by them... then they're not a threat to my freedom.

    In contrast, how many U.S. citizens are killed by police every single year? How many innocent people are jailed for crimes they didn't commit? how many people are locked up for victimless crimes?

    I stand by my statement. The genuine threat to my freedom is my own government.

    However, I do appreciate your efforts to cast light on difficult subjects, ala clarifying the statements made by the media. You won't be able to convince me the activities of the government are legitimate (since I don't believe government itself is a legitimate institution), but it's nice to at least have someone attempting to clarify a murky subject for those of us who aren't in the know.
     
  17. temujin987

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    there you go: 15 out of 56 responses = approx. 6 per page and 27% of the entire thread. i must be a wizard to predict that...


     
  18. CreepyUncleGoogle

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    Maybe I do know what's going on. You never know who's actually a cat on the internet, after all. But really, there isn't mass spying going on. It would take so much moolah and so many people to keep track of 300 million Americans who are generally doing nothing at all worth caring about that it'd be impossible to hide far-reach monitoring and spying that the tinfoil types insist is going on.

    And for the record, I can eleventy jillions of percent promise you that the people who don't know what's going on are the media and news types. So listening to any of them is just asking to be as dumb or dumber than they are. :)
     
  19. Retronym

    Retronym Something big is coming.

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    https://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/nsa-utah-data-center-2014.jpg

     
  20. Technikal

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  21. CreepyUncleGoogle

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    Yeah, um we can't even make data warehouses that can easily store standardized data, much less all the unformatted, random stuff traversing the Interwebs. Atop that, to siphon off all the world's internet traffic, you need bandwidth and processing power too. There's a lot of other pieces of the puzzle that are missing aside from storage AND there's absolutely no reason to believe this is even owned by the NSA. It's probably a DoJ thing or belongs to AllRecipies.com. :rolleyes: I swear, people who were teenage video game people in the 1990s are the biggest tinfoil hat types ever inflicted on the planet.
     
  22. Technikal

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    Don't shoot the messenger man I'm just posting what others wrote I did not say I believed it. I'm sure they are not storing Youtube videos, games, movies, music or worthless large files. Just billions of phone, emails, texts, whatever ..log files basically. Who knows.
    That complex is suppose to be 5 stories deep with massive "underground infrastructure"
    Whatever that means.

    And it's only the first one of 3 more going to be being built.
    According to them crazy conspiracy theorists..
    We are much to smart to be like them :)
     
  23. CreepyUncleGoogle

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    It's probably just a big building for keeping snack food fresh. Why else make it underground and stuff? I mean putting wires and hard drives underground makes no sense unless you're trying to send IT things to the drow still living in the Underdark since anytime it rains, you end up with a big swimming pool. So yeah, snacks and the Underdark.
     
  24. steakman1971

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    This is similar to the "fake" cell towers being deployed. I think a lot of these where used by law enforcement to gather our radio signals from phones.
     
  25. Red Squirrel

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    Does not surprise me at all. They do it on the ground too so many as well do it in the air. We really need to combat this but sadly not much we can do. These agencies are centuries ahead of current available tech it is pretty hard to beat them. When it comes to quantum computers, encryption is just a delay, not a stopper.
     
  26. RealityCrunch

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    The media blows this stuff out of proportion almost as much as they did the terror threat back in the day.
     
  27. RealityCrunch

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    The problem is while our privacy rights may be eroding away at a faster and faster rate, the more the media begins to sound like a sensational headline generator before it gets all the facts the less likely it is that serious thinkers will believe anything they say in the future.
     
  28. Red Squirrel

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    Thing is, the media goes by info that they have, in reality it's probably actually 10 times worse than what the media knows or is allowed to say. And chances are this spying business it nothing new, it's probably been going on for much longer than we think.

    All these oppressive governments need to be completely overthrown, and all at the same time world wide. Governments work closely together these days with this corrupt stuff so the threats are everywhere and not just contained to one country. Right now they're probably actually glad the spying stuff is the big issue these days, because they're working on something much much worse called the TPP behind closed doors. This will be a world wide thing and it basically revolves around the already ridiculously draconian copyright laws but this will make it even worse.
     
  29. lcpiper

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    Of course they are, it's the same equipment, or at least modernized. It's an upgrade from Stingrays to Stingray IIs with the addition of improved direction finding equipment for location a phone signal's location all packaged in an airborne platform for increased direction finding and search capability.