U.S. Department of Justice Has Indicted Chinese State-Sponsored Hackers

cageymaru

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Chinese hackers Zhu Hua and Zhang Shilong have been indicted by the U.S. Department of Justice as part of a Chinese state-sponsored hacking group called "Advanced Persistent Threat" or "APT 10." They are accused of hacking into scores of technology companies, the military, U.S. Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, the NASA Goddard Space Center and Jet Propulsion Laboratory, the military, other countries and more. This is part of the "Made in China 2025" initiative that China has publicly embraced.

The indictment alleges that the defendants were part of a group that hacked computers in at least a dozen countries and gave China's intelligence service access to sensitive business information," said Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein. "This is outright cheating and theft, and it gives China an unfair advantage at the expense of law-abiding businesses and countries that follow the international rules in return for the privilege of participating in the global economic system."

"It is galling that American companies and government agencies spent years of research and countless dollars to develop their intellectual property, while the defendants simply stole it and got it for free" said U.S. Attorney Berman. "As a nation, we cannot, and will not, allow such brazen thievery to go unchecked."
 

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Birds fly grass grows, China steals and copies everything. Its like accusing a lion of killing an antelope, its what they do, they have no choice in the matter.
 

Wiffle

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Meh... China needs all the help it can get.

The biggest problem is the culture there has existed under oppressive ruler-ship for thousands of years. While they won't outright challenge authority, they do band together and undermine it, slowing any regimes' progress to a halt. It's like being a cop in Compton... nobody is going to talk to you even if they were the victim of a crime which makes situations impossible to police or control.

Besides, if their tanks and planes are made out of the same quality materials they used to repair Golden Gate Bridge, I don't think they will roll very far past their borders. Sure the stuff is supposed to meet international "standards" to be on par with other countries... but its not. Its like someone decided that its ok for a furnace to be a couple hundred degrees off...
 

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If they could break in, it only proves your security was weak. Do better!

Bingo! It is not galling that China is stealing stuff, it is galling that companies refuse to deal with thier network security issues. Idiots should be fined for allowing it to happen.

There is simply no excuse for it.
 

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We need to honey pot them. Setup a breachable data bank mixed with already stolen IP and failed IP that will send them down an endless money pit. Or, something that will blow them selves up when they try it.
 
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We need to honey pot them. Setup a breachable data bank mixed with already stolen IP and failed IP that will send them down an endless money pit. Or, something that will blow them selves up when they try it.

That'll just blow up in our faces given that we buy from them. Remember the capacitor fiasco?
 

Absalom

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I'm certain both "criminals" will be celebrated as national heroes back home.
 

lcpiper

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I don't give two shits about indictments. Indictments without arrests are simply PR stunts


Indictments do lead to arrests when they can happen. In simple terms, even if these men are not arrested, their ability to freely move around the world is now made far more difficult.

And, although you see this as only a PR stunt, it can be more than that. If China refuses to cooperate with the Indictment, then the US is under no compulsion to do likewise with any claims China makes. Furthermore, the straw that broke the camel's back is rarely the only straw on the camel's back. This becomes one of a long list of previous issues, issues that can add up to something more serious than a PR stunt.
 

Patton187

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Indictments do lead to arrests when they can happen. In simple terms, even if these men are not arrested, their ability to freely move around the world is now made far more difficult.

And, although you see this as only a PR stunt, it can be more than that. If China refuses to cooperate with the Indictment, then the US is under no compulsion to do likewise with any claims China makes. Furthermore, the straw that broke the camel's back is rarely the only straw on the camel's back. This becomes one of a long list of previous issues, issues that can add up to something more serious than a PR stunt.
I've never thought of it that way. Good post.
 

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A anonymous person familiar with the thinking of people who have worked in the Department of Justice has stated that these Chinese hackers are also definitely the ones who created and carried out the distribution of Flame and Stuxnet. They went on to say the science is settled and anyone who questions this is a Chinese state actor controlled by the Kremlin and is spreading disinformation.
 
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