Twitch Relents And Allows Breastfeeding On Stream Amid Controversy

Sexual moralizing in public never changes. I still take it for granted that it is a sign of hypocrisy or worse.
 
Why do people have to make a issue out every god damn thing. Can't just leave well enough alone and have start bulls shit.
 
you want to bread feed in public, fine, cover up as not to offend the people whom do want to see your boob hanging out...
 
Meeho said:
I couldn't care less about her tits, but are people so narcissistic that they have to keep livestreaming every personal moment of their sorry lives and prostituting their children? It's rhetorical.
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yep, but dont ever objectify them!
 
This largely has nothing to do with breast feeding, this is everything about closing loopholes so THOTs stop using Twitch as a method for camwhoring. Twitch's move was very large and over sweeping, it was a nuclear bomb not a surgical strike and largely it succeeded it what it's doing. Now sure there are some "but what about the children" who are worried about poor innocent bystanders who got sucked up in this because Twitch decided to move beyond just being a game thing and wants to do all broadcasting. There is nothing erotic about breast feeding other than you might see some sideboob, and unfortunately it becomes an issue because of twitch chatters who throw up comments like "hey tell the kid to move his head he's blocking the view"


next up videos how how to trim your bikini line, that's not erotic just an upclose view of a cooter showing hygienic ways to make it look nice.
 
Jagger100 said:
Pandering to a fetish is what's creepy about it.
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Fetishes are normal. You don't have to accept why they exist, but don't shit on them.

Everything is sexualized a certain extent. Much in the same way *some* guys walk around YouTube in practically nothing, and women bend the rules breastfeed on camera, or bend over exposing massive amounts of cleavage. You don't have to watch it, but you're really wasting your time complaining, because this has existed since the beginning of time.

The wonders about the Internet is: you have no fucking clue how much content is available out there...and thanks to search filters, you NEVER HAVE TO. If you don't watch it, then stop whining about others doing so.

Every online company is welcome to have it's own content filtering rules, but the fact of the matter is the Users almost always decide what the CORNER CASES of those are.

Could it be you're just getting pissed that women AND men have voiced their opinions about a normal bodily function, and that makes you uneasy? GROW A PAIR.
 
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I think the whole controversy just showed how the normalizing breastfeeding campaign still has long ways to go.

Telling breastfeeding mothers they need to cover up or turn off the stream? It is not their problem that some people are bothered by this. Breastfeeding in public is legal, and the choice whether to cover up or not is with the mother.
 
chithanh said:
I think the whole controversy just showed how the normalizing breastfeeding campaign still has long ways to go.

Telling breastfeeding mothers they need to cover up or turn off the stream? It is not their problem that some people are bothered by this. Breastfeeding in public is legal, and the choice whether to cover up or not is with the mother.
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negative, not everyone finds it acceptable to see that and one should error on the side of common courtesy...
 
sfsuphysics said:
This largely has nothing to do with breast feeding, this is everything about closing loopholes so THOTs stop using Twitch as a method for camwhoring. Twitch's move was very large and over sweeping, it was a nuclear bomb not a surgical strike and largely it succeeded it what it's doing. Now sure there are some "but what about the children" who are worried about poor innocent bystanders who got sucked up in this because Twitch decided to move beyond just being a game thing and wants to do all broadcasting. There is nothing erotic about breast feeding other than you might see some sideboob, and unfortunately it becomes an issue because of twitch chatters who throw up comments like "hey tell the kid to move his head he's blocking the view"


next up videos how how to trim your bikini line, that's not erotic just an upclose view of a cooter showing hygienic ways to make it look nice.
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They should just go back to calling it justin.tv and be done with it.
 
As a non-twitch user, I thought Twitch was just for streaming games. So you can stream any old thing on there nowadays? Wow news to me. I've a'ways thought that was what YouTube was for but I guess since the cracking down on non-Disney / PG level content, all the 'edgy' content has moved to other platforms.

As for the breast-feeding, there's nothing wrong if it's legal where they are - online included. Sure it's shocking for a few seconds if you don't expect it / she suddenly whips her breast out but c'mon, if you have internet access, you have access to unlimited porn from tons of other places that aren't named Twitch or Youtube.
 
dvsman said:
As a non-twitch user, I thought Twitch was just for streaming games. So you can stream any old thing on there nowadays? Wow news to me. I've a'ways thought that was what YouTube was for but I guess since the cracking down on non-Disney / PG level content, all the 'edgy' content has moved to other platforms.

As for the breast-feeding, there's nothing wrong if it's legal where they are - online included. Sure it's shocking for a few seconds if you don't expect it / she suddenly whips her breast out but c'mon, if you have internet access, you have access to unlimited porn from tons of other places that aren't named Twitch or Youtube.
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I only have a modest at best knowledge of the inner workings of Twitch, but while it is primarily gaming focused there are other categories for content as well - ASMR and Talk Shows are two of the most popular. YouTube is focused primarily on pre-taped video content (though they made a showing of allowing live streaming and it is possible etc) where Twitch is the opposite focusing primarily on livestreamed content with taped content basically archived playback of older used-to-be-live footage. Both YouTube and Twitch have done some 'cracking down" in different ways, but they both struggle with implementation and a chief issue is fairness of rule application. That's the crux of the issue.

Twitch is basically just fighting a PR war here and betting which side is worse - the people screaming that they dare to not allow breastfeeding an exception, vs the people who would scream and take advantage if such an exception is made. Its not from what I can see about a value judgment on breastfeeding and it doesn't needs to be a punishment, but rather even application of their policy which has to do with acceptable attire and body parts visible during streaming. Making an exception for breastfeeding means having to deal with everyone else asking for an exception or appearing unfair.
 
I don't get the uproar. I mean, don't you have to click on the person's stream to see them in the first place? If you know this is something the person regularly engages in then why not just tune into someone else if it offends you?
 
$trapped said:
I don't get the uproar. I mean, don't you have to click on the person's stream to see them in the first place? If you know this is something the person regularly engages in then why not just tune into someone else if it offends you?
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That doesn't make any sense at all. You mean if I know a certain video will bother me, I could just not watch it? I thought the only possible outcome was I had to click it, get offended and then require the host company to remove the offensive content.
 
I'm offended that you think I can just not click on something and not watch it. I have rights, you know! Including rights that allow me to click on what I want, including things I think I might get offended by, watch said offenses, get offended, and go off on the hosting company and claim that I am offended by something I had free will to not click on. How DARE they suggest to trample on my rights! Totally offensive!
 
hold on... why cant twitch just add a TMI (or call it w/e) category with an age restriction to cover their bases? then consenting adults can watch w/e they want from whoever is willing to deliver? if i dont want to accidentally see naked people or whatev's, allow me to know ahead of time so i can make the choice not to watch. seems like a simple problem with a simple solution.
 
threehundredsixftw said:
age restriction
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You are aware that breasts' purpose is (among others) feeding babies from the day on which they are born?
YeuEmMaiMai said:
negative, not everyone finds it acceptable to see that and one should error on the side of common courtesy...
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What is acceptable and what is not is fortunately not decided by such people. Low breastfeeding rates are a public health problem, and campaigns that promote it and increase awareness, including normalizing breastfeeding wherever the mother and the child may happen to be and what they are otherwise doing is good. Being compelled to hide the breastfeeding as something to be ashamed of certainly is contrary to the goal of promoting it.

Also: Want to watch the stream but don't want to see breastfeeding going on? Look at her face instead.
 
threehundredsixftw said:
hold on... why cant twitch just add a TMI (or call it w/e) category with an age restriction to cover their bases? then consenting adults can watch w/e they want from whoever is willing to deliver? if i dont want to accidentally see naked people or whatev's, allow me to know ahead of time so i can make the choice not to watch. seems like a simple problem with a simple solution.
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They already have something similar, including a "mature audiences" flag for content that is permitted on the site yet mature/adult in nature - like streamers who curse or talk about racy subjects vs those who are totally family friendly (ie Parents have no problem letting a young child or teen watching them ). The issue you mention doesn't work side wide because nudity is a blacklisted element entirely - they do not want Twitch to be a site that allows for nudity/sexuality-related camming. Its the same reason that YouTube doesn't allow porn at all, and PornHub (or any of the big porn sites that let users upload stuff) don't let users upload NON-PORN content - it goes against the vision and management parameters of the site.

If they just said "anything goes, just put a warning label on it" then Twitch would instantly be overrun with people livestreaming sex, camming nude, running a thousand fetish-specific request channels etc. Twitch already had to restrict and update their policies to keep users from pressing the limits of acceptable attire (ie They originally said "Non-nude/topless" which lead to some female streamers wearing tiny, nipple-covering pasties and nothing else. So they said that it had to be bathing-suit level, so people wore the skimpiest string thongs. They even had to cut down on huge push-up bras, corsets, girdles as the only attire etc.. To the point that at current, both genders must stream in nothing more revealing than workout attire like a tanktop and gym shorts, each of which can't be too tight or otherwise violate the current rules.

Ultimately, Twitch - as it has been and continues to be marketed - is more or less a livestreaming site for gaming and a few other related activities. Thats what they sell to their advertisers, how they adjust content etc. They don't want to lose that or have it turn into a place where the same place parents feel all right about their kids going to watch Fortnite and Minecraft streamers can with a few clicks on the same site end up at porn, or even someone doing something ostensibly non-porn but fetish related (ie the ban on "intense focus" on feet/legs as a focal point of the stream). Twitch has many issues and a good amount of them are because of the scramble for viewership, partnership, and profit, including this one. Streamers - especially a certain demographic of them - have continuously demonstrated that they will push the rules up as far as possible in order to gain more followers/donators/subscribers, be it doing something "controversial", showcasing their bodies, or anything else. There are plenty of "adult focused" streaming sites where camgirls/boys play games naked and/or play with themselves, but Twitch doesn't want to open the door to that kind of content.

So ultimately, its about coming up with reasonable, universally applied rules that have as few loopholes or opportunities for someone to cry foul as possible, I think.
 
chithanh said:
You are aware that breasts' purpose is (among others) feeding babies from the day on which they are born?
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well by that logic, a penis should be allowed to be visible in public because it is part of the process to make humans. i personally, request to be notified ahead of time before being subjected to any of that.


RanceJustice ... touche. i admit that i hadnt given this enough thought, and i have to agree with your logic.
 
RanceJustice said:
PornHub (or any of the big porn sites that let users upload stuff) don't let users upload NON-PORN content - it goes against the vision and management parameters of the site.
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Not entirely true, there's a guy who makes a living just uploading non-pornographic parodies on there. I think PH is one of the more lenient sites as I see tame stuff there occasionally.
 
Darunion said:
That doesn't make any sense at all. You mean if I know a certain video will bother me, I could just not watch it? I thought the only possible outcome was I had to click it, get offended and then require the host company to remove the offensive content.
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Look at it this way...

Hey! I'm going to let my son, who plays video games look at Twitch. It's been pretty safe for years, with some mild-bad language but pretty PG for a 12 Y.O.

Now there are titties. Takes Twitch away from son because of some attention seeking mom.

Breast feeding on a game streaming site...come on.
 
Guarana [BAWLS] said:
Twitch long since left the realm of being 'gaming only'
They're hosting a fuckton of various youtube style "stars", and have for a while.
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Yep, it was all downhill for me once they added that IRL category because it just attracted swarms of reality TV wannabes which spread throughout. Now most of these people just ham up their personality for views or do something "controversial" for highlight bait.
 
threehundredsixftw said:
well by that logic, a penis should be allowed to be visible in public because it is part of the process to make humans. i personally, request to be notified ahead of time before being subjected to any of that.


RanceJustice ... touche. i admit that i hadnt given this enough thought, and i have to agree with your logic.
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Lol you need to go back to school bud, you don't need breasts to make a baby. But they need it stay alive, you find me a reason to whip your dick out in public to keep a child alive and I'll be ok with it, otherwise fuck off.
YeuEmMaiMai said:
you want to bread feed in public, fine, cover up as not to offend the people whom do want to see your boob hanging out...
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YeuEmMaiMai said:
negative, not everyone finds it acceptable to see that and one should error on the side of common courtesy...
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You're more than welcome to move to anyone of the middle East countries that love to dictate a woman's life, but when we are talking about something that KEEPS A CHILD alive then grow the fuck up and deal with it.

I honestly don't get how some people get to be so disgustingly sexualized they need to make the process of keeping a child healthy and happy an issue. If you don't like it don't look, there is nothing sexual about it. A child's need for food is far more important than your weird mental issues so grow up.

I use to take my kids to a parent center back when I got layed off and became mr. Mom for about 8 months (hurray Canadian parental leave). And mom's would routinely feed their children, guess what I did? Not fucking stare, mind my own business and watch my kids.
 
Ragenrok said:
Lol you need to go back to school bud, you don't need breasts to make a baby. But they need it stay alive, you find me a reason to whip your dick out in public to keep a child alive and I'll be ok with it, otherwise fuck off.


You're more than welcome to move to anyone of the middle East countries that love to dictate a woman's life, but when we are talking about something that KEEPS A CHILD alive then grow the fuck up and deal with it.

I honestly don't get how some people get to be so disgustingly sexualized they need to make the process of keeping a child healthy and happy an issue. If you don't like it don't look, there is nothing sexual about it. A child's need for food is far more important than your weird mental issues so grow up.

I use to take my kids to a parent center back when I got layed off and became mr. Mom for about 8 months (hurray Canadian parental leave). And mom's would routinely feed their children, guess what I did? Not fucking stare, mind my own business and watch my kids.
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You don't need breasts to keep the child alive either. There are many mothers who can't breastfeed.

As for whipping it out, it is a natural function to pee and poop, just as natural to breastfeed.
 
Hagrid said:
You don't need breasts to keep the child alive either. There are many mothers who can't breastfeed.

As for whipping it out, it is a natural function to pee and poop, just as natural to breastfeed.
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Ya but formula is expensive and very cost prohibitive, not to mention not nearly as good for a child as actual breast milk. And sure you can pump but you can only pump, store and carry around so much with you. My wife could only pump so much, and if we went to the city for the day we always needed to breastfeed. Neither of us agreed that formula was a good option due to both health and cost so when our children were hungry we fed them.

I agree it's awkward when a mother breastfeeds in front of you but if the child needs it neither you or I have any right to say that it's wrong.
 
Ragenrok said:
Ya but formula is expensive and very cost prohibitive, not to mention not nearly as good for a child as actual breast milk. And sure you can pump but you can only pump, store and carry around so much with you. My wife could only pump so much, and if we went to the city for the day we always needed to breastfeed. Neither of us agreed that formula was a good option due to both health and cost so when our children were hungry we fed them.

I agree it's awkward when a mother breastfeeds in front of you but if the child needs it neither you or I have any right to say that it's wrong.
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I mean some mother's can't even pump, but yeah, it is better for you.

I think that is the key issue here though is, are breasts sexualized? I would have to say hell yes. I get that they are for feeding, but if they do not cover up and just whip it out for all to see, then why would they get mad if somebody asked to see them outside of breastfeeding? It's not right, but it's a valid question.
Should they get mad if guys or girls look at her breasts? If she is sharing them with everybody around, then that is on her.
If a woman wants to she me her boobies, then that is cool with me. :)
 
Hagrid said:
I mean some mother's can't even pump, but yeah, it is better for you.

I think that is the key issue here though is, are breasts sexualized? I would have to say hell yes. I get that they are for feeding, but if they do not cover up and just whip it out for all to see, then why would they get mad if somebody asked to see them outside of breastfeeding? It's not right, but it's a valid question.
Should they get mad if guys or girls look at her breasts? If she is sharing them with everybody around, then that is on her.
If a woman wants to she me her boobies, then that is cool with me. :)
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I don't disagree on the point that if they are willing to pull them out to feed a child and they choose not to cover up they can't really get mad at guys for staring (creeped out sure but not mad). If they don't want people staring then they need to cover up, my point is guys that demand woman cover up because it's gross/wrong need to grow up. It's not a sexual act, and as much as I love a good pair of breasts I dont see breastfeeding as a sexual thing and never will.
 
Ragenrok said:
Lol you need to go back to school bud, you don't need breasts to make a baby. But they need it stay alive, you find me a reason to whip your dick out in public to keep a child alive and I'll be ok with it, otherwise fuck off.


You're more than welcome to move to anyone of the middle East countries that love to dictate a woman's life, but when we are talking about something that KEEPS A CHILD alive then grow the fuck up and deal with it.

I honestly don't get how some people get to be so disgustingly sexualized they need to make the process of keeping a child healthy and happy an issue. If you don't like it don't look, there is nothing sexual about it. A child's need for food is far more important than your weird mental issues so grow up.

I use to take my kids to a parent center back when I got layed off and became mr. Mom for about 8 months (hurray Canadian parental leave). And mom's would routinely feed their children, guess what I did? Not fucking stare, mind my own business and watch my kids.
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i have to respectfully disagree with your assessment. you seem to be forgetting that which starts life in the first place (which i might add tends to be a private affair). also... milk, baby formula, or even *gasp* stored breast milk.
 
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